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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Carmarthenshire => Wales => Carmarthenshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: CaioResearcher on Friday 29 September 06 22:55 BST (UK)
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Can SKS help please!!!!! I am trying to locate a baptismal record for the following.
Benjamin Davies born circa 1823. I have found his death (awaiting certificate), marriage, but all I know from this and census 1851-1891 is that he was born Pencarreg and his father was Thomas Davies. I wish I could find him on 1841 to show both parents and siblings, but couldn't find.
I have contacted Archives Office but to no avail. Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where to look now? Parishes/Chapels, I don't know, I despair.
Many thanks
Helen
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Hi Helen
Welcome aboard!
I am sure someone will have an idea about baptismal records (unless he was non-conformist & hence not baptised as a baby?)
Meanwhile, can you post the 1851 census you have for him and we will have a look for the 1841 census, which might help. If we can identify some siblings, you might find their baptisms at least!
Were any of the family witnesses at the marriage? What was Thomas' occupation?
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Arranroots,
and thank you for prompt reply and help.
To start his marriage : Benjamin Davies married
Mary Jones. He put his place of residence as "Tynant" (I believe a farm or such); his father Thomas Davies, and rank/profession was Pencarreg?? They married at Parish Church in parish of Cayo, Carmarthen. Witnesses Henry Harries and Thomas Davies??? Parish Church according to the rites and ceremonies of the Established Church (doesn't this mean Church of Wales??) on 17th November, 1843.
1851 Census details:
Living at a place called "Tynycoed". I know this to be a place in Caio (possibly nearer Cwrt) and was the family home of his wife Mary Jones.
Mary Jones, head, married, 68, farmer's wife, Cayo
Benjamin Davies, son-in-law, 31, Pencarreg
Mary Davies, wife, 32, Cayo
Mary Davies, daughter, 6, Cayo (although miswritten as Mary)
Margaret Davies, daughter, 4, Cayo
Elizabeth Davies, daughter, 2, Cayo
I know Mary Jones's parents were Mary and Harry Jones and she had a brother David. They lived at Tyncoed for some time.
I have searched Pencarreg and Cayo to try and find Benjamin with siblings and father THomas. Don't know his mother. I contacted Archives but they couldnt find any record of a birth circa 1820-22 for a Benjamin Davies. I have found his death which was Mar Qtr 1900 aged 77 so it would appear he was born circa 1823 or thereabouts.
Thank you for your offer of help which is gratefullly received. Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Helen
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Sorry I meant miswritten as 'Margaret', the eldest child was 'Mary'.
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Pencarreg census 1841 has 11 pages
HO107/1380/24 Folio 22 Page 6
reg district Lampeter Sub-reg Llanybyther
There is a Thomas Davies, ag lab, ref above, wife Margaret with family the youngest is Benjamin. I cannot make out if he is 9 mths or years, know this is too young for yours but there maybe a family connection.
you could search the 11 pages (if you have not already) to see if Ancestry have missed anything.
Also could not find Benjamin On IGI but this is a poss for father, you could also request the batch number from your local LDS and see if he Benjamin is there.
DAVID DAVIES Christening: 12 SEP 1817 Pencarreg, Carmarthen
Father: THOMAS DAVIES Family
Mother: ELINOR
Source Information:
Batch No, Dates, Source Call No, Type: Printout Call No
C099631 1790 - 1875 0105200 Film NONE Sheet: 00
Good Luck
Cas
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just to reply to a small point from above. In 1843, the established church was still the Church of England. The Church in Wales didn't come into being until 1920.
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Hi Helen
What do you think? Is this request complete?
Let us know if the cert helps at all.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Arranroots,
Thanks for the reply. The death certificate is correct. Dated 26th February, 1900 died aged 77, so birth circa 1823 is correct. Unfortunately, doesn't give any more info!
Know it is correct because of place of death and son present.
Registration District Conwil Cayo, Llandovery.
If 1841 at time of his marriage is the last census details I have of him, how do I go further back only knowing Pencarreg as place of birth and father Thomas? Pencarreg is very near Caio so is Llandybther, a last posting near to this place aswell? Geography not a strong point, nor remembering all these Welsh place names!! Thank you for your help, it is appreciated.
Regards
Helen
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Did you know there was also a house in Pencarreg called Tyncoed?
It was a farm cottage attached to Cilblaidd Farm which was owned by the Evans family about 1900.
In 1910 it was given to Margaret Jones born 1852, a long term employee at Cilblaid, and before that she had worked on the Evans Farm at Abergorlech.
Margaret pulled down the old 'Tyncoed' at Pencarreg and build a new house that she called Glenview.
Glenview was owned by my husbands family, 'The JONES', for 70 years.
It is still standing now.
We live in the next village to Pencarreg.
Jan
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When you search for information on Pencarreg its best to search both Carmarthenshire and Cardiganshire records.
This is because Pencarreg is on the border of Llanybydder [formerly spelt Llanybyther] and Lampeter, Cardiganshire.
If you need help with local geography, get back to me.
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Hi Jan
I've since found Benjamin's birth record in Llanybydder. However, what attracted me to your kind reply was the name Ciblaidd. I've seen it written different ways. I am trying to understand the location. Benjamin's parents, Thomas Davies and Margaret nee Jonathon as written on the birth entry were from Pencarreg although I'm not sure about mother Margaret. A David Jones of Cilybilaydd signed as a witness in 1803 on their marriage; also their daughter Rachel had a witness to her marriage in 1834 of a John Evans, Ciblylaidd. I'm wondering if it is the one and same? I am having trouble working back. Margaret Jonathon could have been a 'Jones' initially. Also a Timothy Thomas, Maes was a witness in 1803. I've googled him. Their daughter, Rachel, married a William Evans but I don't think its the same family. If you have any other details on this Cilblaidd, it might help me in finding more info on Benjamin's parents Thomas Davies and Margaret Jonathon. Many thanks
Helen
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I noticed a David and Elinor Jones of Cilblaidd baptising a child in 1803. Were there 2 families at this place? Jones and Evans
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Hi CILYBLAIDD suffers from translation from the Welsh Language.
It is pronounced Kill- Blaith.
DD in Welsh sounds like TH in English and there are otehr things going on with pronuciation too which is beyond my english ears!
My hubbies Granma and Greatgma worked for the Evans's at Cilblaiidd for about 25 years each, its a long standing thing. They were Margaret Jones born about 1852 and an Margaret Mary Jones [Maggie May] born 1891.
Our Jones's lived on the other side of the Lampeter to Carmarthen Road to Cilyblaidd. The land was given to them by the Evans's in about 1910.
If you look at the map for Pancarreg you will see Ty Lynn lake. Cilyblaith is to the right of the lake on the far side of the road.
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Hi Jan,
Yes I know how it is pronounced and the different spellings over time. Remember it got anglo-sized for example Killy Blaidd. Anyway, I am trying to see if there is a connection between a David Jones and wife Eleanor of Cilblaidd and my ancestor as he appears on her marriage in 1803, Pencarreg. I do know that this David Jones had 3 children Thomas 1803, Mary 1806, William 1805. Also, do you know if there are any Monumental Inscriptions for Pencarreg?? My ancestor was a Margaret Jonathan who married a Thomas Davies, Pencarreg in 1803
thanks Helen