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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: Nick Carver on Friday 29 September 06 10:44 BST (UK)
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I have three brothers in my tree who moved to Hull from Norfolk (Bramerton) in the 1840s, two to work in the docks and one on the railways. The daughter of one married the son of someone else who moved from Norfolk at about the same time. Perhaps those from Norfolk mixed socially or maybe there were pockets of these people living in close proximity?
I know a lot of people moved to Hull as it became harder to earn a living off the land and industrialisation took hold, but would like to know who else has ancestors following a similar route.
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My grandfather and his sister moved from Norfolk, Wicklewood area, to Hull area between 1871 & 1881. The sister's future husband and some of his siblings had already made the same move. Most seem to have kept there Norfolk occupations of ag labs & gardeners.
I had noticed when trawling thorugh the census that there were a lot of people from Norfolk in the Hull area
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My grandfather's family were born in Norfolk too. Grandfather and his brothers used to come annually to Hull for seasonal work on the docks in the very early 1900's. Two of the brothers met local girls and stayed. Neither of them worked on the docks after WWI. I don't think working on the docks was much better than ag.labs. as work wasn't guaranteed but the wages were better. A great congregation of labourers would gather at the dockyard gate waiting for the tallyman to appear. He would then choose as many men as he'd been told to get and the rest hung about all day. Some lucky men would get a 'tally' (a numbered tag which allowed you to walk through the gates) for several days work. In the 1960's around 10,000 men would be crowded around various gates along the 7 miles of docks.
Rena
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My gg grandfather, Edward Annison, was another to come to Hull from Norfolk in the 1840s. But his employment wasn't related to the fishing industry. He was a wheelwright and blacksmith, eventually building a coachbuilding business. Under his son the business became T.S. Annison undertakers, which is still a going concern.
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Under his son the business became T.S. Annison undertakers, which is still a going concern.
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Slightly 'off topic' but I had my wedding cars from Annisons'
Bee :)
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I didn't realise they do wedding cars too. I hope you didn't find an unexpected guest having a bit of a lie down in the back!
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I didn't realise they do wedding cars too. I hope you didn't find an unexpected guest having a bit of a lie down in the back!
I don't think they do now but they did in 1972 and no unexpected guests ;D mind you I never looked in the boot :D
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Hi...Slightly off the subject.
The docks hadn't changed much upto late 1960's either. I remember my dad having to queue up for the tallyman to wait for work, if he was unlucky then he was classed as "dinting" meaning he got a very low wage as opposed to the working wage, which, around that time, was about £10-£13 a week depending on your age. I can't remember what the lowest wage was, I was only a kid at the time.
Hunnyb22
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My grandad and his two brothers worked at John A Scotts before WWII. One of the tasks on my rather lengthy 'to do' list is to find out if there are any records for Scotts in the city archive. Their brother who was KIA in WWI worked at Reckitts for whom there is a wealth of information.
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Hi Nick...What a coincidence? After WW2 my dad worked for a firm called Gilliott and Scott up until the late 60's, I wonder if the two are connected? I know Scott is a common name, but both connected with dock companies?
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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I know I'm a bit late, but I've only just started tracing my wife's family as a retirement project. It appears that a whole family of Bubbings (her GGGrandfather Robert) moved to Hull from Ludham, in Norfolk, in the late 1850's. They were wheelwrights, coachbuilders and painters.
And to think I hated History at school....
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Hi Roger The Hat...It's a different kind of history though isn't it? This time it relates to your family.
I found these on the LDS website, I know the name differs to your's but it was how it was heard by the enumerator.
Charles BUBBINGE Husband (Head) M Male 35 Ludham, Norfolk, England Wheelwright
Eliza BUBBINGE Wife M Female 42 Ludham, Norfolk, England Formerly Dressmaker
Sarah BUBBINGE Daur Female 12 Ludham, Norfolk, England
William BUBBINGE Son Male 10 Ludham, Norfolk, England
Robert BUBBINGE Son Male 4 Hull, York, England
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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Thanks for responding so quickly - I just assumed that, as it is an old thread, my first post might be overlooked.
I had seen the Bubbinge family, but thought that because of the different spelling.......
It probably won't be my last mistake!
I'll have to get down the Library tomorrow and check the censuses (censi?)
for alternates.
Oops. Dinner time.
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Hi Roger The Hat ...Most of the spellings on these sites and records are as the enumerator heard them. Many people couldn't read or write in those days, so wouldn't have been able to correct any errors.
We all make mistakes but hopefully, can correct them before it's too late (like following one family tree only to discover much later that we're not connected at all :o).
Good luck with your search.
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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Thanks for the encouragement, Hunnyb22.
Something that's puzzling me is what we call The Bubbings Conundrum:
I have Robert F. Bubbings, 27, Wife Christiana, 26 (1871 census, Holderness)
Robert F. Bubbings, 37, Wife Clara, 34 (1881 census, Holderness)
Robert F. Bubbings, 47, Wife Christiana, 45 (1891 census, Drypool)
The children don't match, either.
Surely that's not a mistake, the names are too dissimilar.
Would he have divorced Christiana, married Clara, then remarried Christiana?
Could he have a double? Was he a bigamist?
Have you come across anything like this before? I'd really value an experienced opinion.
Thanks.
(My son's just turned up, and he wants his laptop back. I'll have to pick this up at the Library, tomorrow. Bye).
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Hi Roger the Hat
If Christiana is her official name, maybe Clara was her nickname.
Yorkshirebmd has the following marriage
Robert Bubbings to Christiana Mayor at Sculcoates Register Offices in 1864
also from Yorkshirebmd
death 1897, Christiana Bubbings aged 51
Bee
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Hi Roger The Hat...As Bubbings is such an unusal name I doubt that it's a mistake. It could be, as you say, he married again. Bee could be right, if Christiana didn't like her name she may have adopted the name Clara?
If the family were Catholic then divorce is out of the question, even if not, times were hard then and the ordinary working man wouldn't have been affluent enough to afford a divorce.
There's a lot of ifs and buts I know but you'll only know for certain if you send for their marriage or one of their children's birth certificates.
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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Thanks, Hunnyb22 and Bee, for the advice.
Christiana was definitely a Major. I've no idea who Clara was.
I feel a bit daft, though - it hadn't occurred to me to get a certificate for a "wrong" family!
Roger The Hat.
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Thanks, Hunnyb22 and Bee, for the advice.
Christiana was definitely a Major. I've no idea who Clara was.
I feel a bit daft, though - it hadn't occurred to me to get a certificate for a "wrong" family!
Roger The Hat.
Hi Roger The Hat...Do I detect a hint of sarcasm in your note? We on Rootsweb try to help other people find their relatives and don't willingly point people in the wrong direction.
If you know which year and location they were born, my suggestion (as before) is to send for their birth or marriage certificates.
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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NoNoNoNoNo
My apologies if I seemed sarcastic. The thought of applying for certificates to prove that some one isn't a relative hadn't occurred to me........honest.
I am very new to this hobby (only four certificates collected so far), and this is the first messaging web site I've ever used, so please forgive my blunders.
Also I have limited access to the internet (my son's laptop) so if I don't reply quickly it won't mean I don't want to talk to anyone!
Roger The (must try harder) Hat.
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Hi Roger The Hat...You're forgiven, ;D LOL
Buying certificates can prove expensive, especially if they're not your relatives. However, when this happens people put posts on here asking if they belong to other's families (if you catch my drift?) and you may be lucky and be re-imbursed.
There's loads of sites like this on the internet but I use this as it's so easy to use and navigate (just laziness?) it's free too.
Maybe now you're researching your family tree is the incentive you need to buy your own computer? Or are you new to computers and your son shows you how to use it? We've all been there. :-[
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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I've only just spotted this thread ::)
But I'm going the other way - I've got a guy born in Tadcaster (now North Yorkshire, but then West Riding) who moved to North Elmham, admittedly via Sussex (1841 census). He was a gardener originally and then set up as a nurseryman and stayed in North Elmham for the rest of his life, his final entry in the 1891 census is as seedsman and florist but his son-in-law appears in the 1901 census with the same occupation, and possibly the same location. He arrived in Norfolk at some time in the 1840s, married a local girl in 1844, and stayed there. Why, I haven't a clue!
BumbleB
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Hi BumbleB and welcome!
Without any names we can't help you. Have you tried the LDS website? http://www.familysearch.org some of their records go back to 1400s. Or try www.ukbmd.org.uk for the Norfolk area.
Good luck.
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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My wife has ancestors moving from Tivetshall St Marys in Norfolk. Laws / Lawes appear to have changed the spelling over the years
They moved to the Beverley / Hull areas
Appear to be several Laws / Lawes from the same area in Norfolk moving to the Beverley / Hull areas. Usual occupations are agricultural labourers
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HunnyB22:
I know who he was, his family etc - Joseph Archbell who married Sophia Sands - my point was that this was a case in reverse. The thread was about people moving from Norfolk to the North, he moved south to Norfolk from the North!!
BumbleB
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My wife has ancestors moving from Tivetshall St Marys in Norfolk. Laws / Lawes appear to have changed the spelling over the years
They moved to the Beverley / Hull areas
Appear to be several Laws / Lawes from the same area in Norfolk moving to the Beverley / Hull areas. Usual occupations are agricultural labourers
Hi Steve...Welcome to Rootschat
I've found this information on the LDS website:
Husband's Name
Edward LAWES (AFN:93JD-25) Pedigree
Born: Abt. 1798 Place: <Tivetshall, Nrflk, Engl.>
Married: Place:
Wife's Name
Anne (AFN:93JD-3B) Pedigree
Born: Abt. 1800 Place: <Tivetshall, Nrflk, Engl.>
Married: Place:
1. Sex Name
M John LAWS (AFN:2ZK8-KT) Pedigree
Born: 20 Jun 1824 Place: Tivetshall, Nrflk, Engl.
Christened: 20 Jun 1824 Place: Tivetshall, Norfolk, England
Died: 16 May 1892 Place: Tivetshall, Nrflk, Engl.
And this on the Yorkshire website:
LAWS Elizabeth A Myton Hull MYT/17/177
Hope this is of some help?
Kind regards
Hunnyb22
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Hi Steve....I have Miller- Laws form Higham, Norfolk to Hull in my tree... would gladly help if I can :D
Carol
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I have an ancestor from Reepham Moor, Aylsham, Norfolk. Robert Hall settled in Holme on Spalding Moor sometime early 1860's. He was an Ag. Lab then moved on to owning his own home and land. He married Ellen St Paul of HOSM but formerly of Sandholme/Gilberdyke area.
He was the only member of his family to come to Yorkshire as far as I can glean. He never returned and no one visited but someone did write and his dau would read the letter and reply for him. He was illiterate all his life but insisted on his family learning to read, write and count :).
He is my 2x Grandfather, my fathers Great Grandfather. By what I have researched about this family so far, apart from being elusive ???, they remained in the Aylsham District. How he came, no one knows, he never talked about that part of his life I dare say we never will. I owe alot of my research to my fathers aunt, the granddaughter of Robert Hall nearing the latter years of 80 she still remembers her family and her grandparents, her sister is in her late 90's and still lives at HOSM, just them two left.