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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: ksjcott on Friday 29 September 06 08:25 BST (UK)
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Mt great great grandmother was born Agnes Duncan around 1838ish. She moved to England where the census gives her birthplace as 'Kilconter, Scotland'. As such a place doesn't seem to exist, I am guessing that the census taker didn't know how to spell Kilconquhar. (She is given elsewhere as born in Fife - so I guess that fits in)
Does anyone have any details of or connections to Duncans in this area?
I don't know when she moved to England, but she seems to have been there by 1859 for the birth of her first child.
Many thanks
Kate
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Hi Kate
Have you tried looking for Agnes in the 1841 Census? There are only 3 showing, age 2-4, in all of Fife including a 4 yrs old in Kilconquhar. FreeCen's 1841 transcriptions for Fife are not yet complete (around 37% to date) so can't see that entry. If you have access to Ancestry's 1841 Scottish Census index you will be able to see that entry. Somebody here might also be able to check for you.
Regards.
Monica
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Kate
Just checked IGI. This looks like it could be the birth of the Agnes in Kilconquhar showing on SP 1841 Census age 4:
AGNES DUNCAN Birth: 21 JUL 1836 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
Parents: Father: JAMES DUNCAN Mother: AGNES IRVING
There is however another entry on IGI for a 1839 birth in Kilconquhar:
AGNES DUNCAN Birth: 23 JUN 1839 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
Parents: Father: ARCHIBALD DUNCAN Mother: MARION COLDWELL
Maybe the names of her children (if she and her husband followed Scottish naming patterns) can give you some additional clues.
Regards.
Monica
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That's great, thank you very much for that. Her son - my great grandfather was James, so I'm going to investigate the first listing first I think!
Thanks again. This my first dabble into my Scottish roots, and it's all very exciting.
:)
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The children showing for the first couple, James Duncan and Agnes Irving, all actual extracts from the OPRs (Old Parish Registers):
1. HENRY DUNCAN Birth: 10 DEC 1843 Christening: JAN 1844 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
2. WILLIAM DUNCAN Birth: 10 APR 1841 Christening: About 16 MAY 1841 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
3. ALEXANDER DUNCAN Birth: 12 FEB 1830 Christening: 28 MAR 1830 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
4. JEAN DUNCAN Birth: 06 SEP 1827 Christening: 04 NOV 1827 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
5. JEAN DUNCAN Birth: 30 JUL 1834 Christening: 07 SEP 1834 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
6. AGNES DUNCAN Birth: 21 JUL 1836 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
7. EUPHEMIA DUNCAN Birth: 08 JAN 1839 Christening: 27 JAN 1839 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
There are four additional submitted entries for children:
1. Margaret Duncan Birth: 1818 Of, Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
2. James Duncan Birth: 1819 Of, Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
3. Magnus Duncan Birth: 1821 Of, Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
4. David Duncan Birth: 1823 Of, Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
And, a possible marriage:
JAMES DUNCAN Marriages Spouse: AGNES IRVINE
Marriage: 10 FEB 1817 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
Hopefully from the ages showing for James and Agnes in the 1841 census, you can get some indication whether you have the right marriage and early birth details.
Regards.
Monica
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I have traced my husbands line back to Alexander Duncan of Kilconquhar. He is listed as father on great-aunt Elizabeth Wallace's marriage record. Elizabeth's mother was Catherine Wallace, b.1828 Kilconquhar, she had 3 children outside of marriage, James, Elizabeth, and William (who died as a child). Euphemia Duncan was a witness at her wedding. Her brother James, my husbands g grandfather, never used the Duncan name as far as I know, but one of his sons used it as a middle name when he came to America. My husbands middle name is also Duncan, we never knew where it came from until today. I would love to chat with the original poster of this subject, at least let her know that I have posted some pictures of her long lost relatives online.
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Hi janicejo,
Welcome to Rootschat, and hope you have success in your research. Just to advise ksjcott has not been active on this site since Monday 30 July 07 12:14 BST (UK), so it may not be possible t get a reply, but another relative may see your post here and reply.
Tom
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Hi janicejo,
There is another post running just now,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,504547.msg4895420.html#new
You may request if any Duncan headstones in Kilconqhar cemetery, this may help give dates etc. You can post in the link I gave you above.
Tom
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I think this place is pronounced "Kinyucher" folks, (ch as in loch).
Skoosh.
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Kinn-ucher, without the y! But anyone who has trouble with the guttural Scots -ch-, as in (Kilconquhar) loch, can just use its official pronunciation, as per the spelling - Kil-conker, as in the things that fall off trees and that kids play with (except when forbidden by health & safety rules).
By the way, remember that people mentioned in the records as being in Kilconquhar parish might actually be in the villages of Colinsburgh or Earlsferry, rather than in Kilconquhar village itself.
Harry
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Thanks Tom, I will check out the link. Its great to meet people knowledable about this area of Scotland, and Scottish culture. I am doing the genealogy for my father-in-law who is 91. His father didnt tell them much about his family, he only knew of 1 aunt and 1 uncle. Turns out there were 13 kids in all!! I will be checking out the headstones. I have already learned that the mothers side, Wallace, was too poor to have headstones. Is there a board just for Kilconquhar parish? Janice
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Hi Janice,
All Kilconquhar posts will be on the Fife board. Scotland is split up into county boards, and a general board. If you post on the Fife board, they will get looked at there.
Tom
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Hey Tom thanks about your tip about the headstones in Kilconquhar. Norrie gave me some names from the census and the pre-1855 death index. I got a sister and a daughter of one of the direct ancestors! Janice