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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: Arkwright on Wednesday 27 September 06 15:52 BST (UK)
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Here's my latest puzzle to keep the old grey matter from going stale.
My GG Grandfather John Abbott c1823 Lincolnshire is shown in the 1871 Census as being married to a lady named Maria.
Maria also appears in the 1881 census.
However, in the 1861 census she is shown as Mary.
Until recently I haven't been looking at completing this part of my tree until some kind soul got in touch with me and said he thought we were researching the same family.
He sent me his Gedcom file and he has my GG Grandfather John Abbott as being married to Mary Ann Ledgit which sort of fits in with the 1861 census.
As one should with these things, I didn't take his word for it and decided to look more closely at this particular line of enquiry. I can see where Mary Ann Ledgit could fit in, as I have found a marriage at around the right time to a John Abbott.
However, the waters have been muddied somewhat by the arrival of my Great Grandfathers (Thomas Henry ABBOTT 1868) birth certificate today that names his mother as MARIA NEAL (possibly VEAL)
It could be a simple case of him marrying Mary Ann LEDGIT and then going on to marry Maria NEAL, but I'm struggling to find any connection between John Abbott and Maria NEAL.
The marriage to Mary Ann LEDGIT was Sept 1859 Goulceby, Lincolnshire if that's of any use.
If anyone could proffer any suggestions on this one I would be eteranlly grateful...
Regards
Steve
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This might help...
Marriages Sep 1853
ABBOTT John
VEAL Maria
Horncastle 7a 767
Rambler
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Looks like i'm having another blonde day....
That helps quite alot thank you...don't know how I missed it.
I know their first child was born in 1855 so it fits in date wise.
I have Johns parents information, so I guess a marriage certificate is in order.
Thnaks Rambler
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So John married Maria Veal in 1853, and was still married to her in 1871 and 1881. So he couldn't have (legitimately) married Mary Ann Ledgit in 1859. So was that another John Abbott who married Mary Ann? It seems an odd coincidence that the marriage to Mary Ann Ledgit took place in Goulceby, where your John Abbott was living in 1861 (if I've got the right census entry), and where his daughter Mary Ann was born. Muddy waters indeed !
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I can see 3 couples called John/Mary (A) Abbott on the 1861 census in Lincolnshire - wonderful potential for confusion!
I think the John who married Mary Ann Ledgit was born c1828, Fulletby: their only child in 1861 is a 2 week-old baby.
John b. c1829 Tetford has 4 children aged 1-10.
Rambler
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Just been looking at John Abbott b. c1829 in the 1861 census and notice amongst others, the presence of a David LIDGETT.
Similar enough to Mary LEDGIT wouldn't you agree?
I think this may rule this family out of the equation, certainly for the time being.
I'll let you all know what John and Mary/Maria's marriage certificate reveals when it arrives (which should only take about 6 weeks while 'Who Do You Think You Are' graces our small screens.)
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Agreed. That looks pretty conclusive. I couldn't find any Ledgits in the 1851 census so guessed we were looking for a family Ledgett or something similar.
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I found this thread whilst searching on one of my ancestors, the Veals. I think I solved this conundrum late last year. However, judging by the date of the original post I am not sure if anyone is still following this. If the original poster is still around, I would like to correspond as we are related through the Abbot's / Veals. LMK. PBS
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Unfortunately, I can`t help you with your family, but the original poster was last active on the forum in 2019.
Also you need to make 3 posts before you can use pms.
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Hi Billy, I'm new here so your advice is very helpful, thank you. I did think it was a long shot with the original poster but I was also thinking that leaving a bread crumb trail for future researchers, might be a good idea too.
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Arkwright was last online in 2019, your email notification has gone through but it remain un-opened as does one from the end of January.
I first posted my family history queries on RootsChat almost 20 years ago now, I am still posting updates on my old threads hoping to make matches with any other folk researching the same lines.
Regards
Sarah
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PBShelley, you`re welcome !
You never know what you`ll come across on Rootschat. I`ve found information I didn`t even know I was looking for! It`s just sometimes something rings a bell and gives me food for thought!!
A strange thing with this thread though; I didn`t get a notification of the 2 replies after my post !!!
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Hi Billy,
I checked your emails and I can see them going out to you, do you have a spam folder ?? Did you get your notifications from yesterday ?
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Pbshelley
Just received an email telling me this topic had been updated.
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Hi Arkwright
Welcome back ;D
Hopefully, you'll be able to keep in touch with pbshelley.
Dawn
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Hi Arkwright, good to meet your acquaintance!
Maria Jeffery Veal was my 3GG and there is a bit of a family mystery attached to her daughter Emma (illegitimate before she married John Abbott) which I am trying to solve and in desperation, I did a search in Google and stumbled across your post from years ago.
Whilst researching Maria and her husband John Abbott, I had the same head scratching moment as you did, but as I spent a long time trying to find parish records for Maria as I was sure she died in 1858 and this was indeed the case, thanks to FreeReg: https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/581850e7e93790ec75075127/maria-abbott-burial-lincolnshire-south-ormsby-1858-01-25?locale=en
In 1859, the widower John Abbot married Mary Ann Lidget:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1859&end=1859&sq=3&eq=3&type=Marriages&vol=7a&pgno=784&db=bmd_1644238129&jsexec=1&mono=0&v=MTY0NTg4OTIzMjo4ZDM3MzU3NGRlNWNhNzI5ZWRjOWVmYjBmZmZmZjgzNDRmYzRjYmZk&searchdef=eq%3D4%26sq%3D1%26type%3DMarriages%26surname%3Dabbott%26db%3Dbmd_1644238129%26start%3D1859%26given%3DJohn%26end%3D1859%26countyid%3DLIN%252C6%252C33%252C49%252C50%252C52%252C101%252C102%252C153%252C174%252C175%252C224%252C225&action=Find
So Maria and Mary were certainly not the same person!
If you have any information on the Veal's (they are quite hard to track down as they often show up as Neal, Vale, Veall, you name it)!