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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: becca.morgan on Sunday 07 November 04 12:56 GMT (UK)
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Laura Knowles b 1873 Hunworth
Married Frederick Yarham March 1894 in Erpingham district.
Children:
Gladys
Ida
Selina
Ernest
Frederick
Herbert
Walter
Can post more info if needed. Information on Laura Knowles appreciated including occupation, employers and family.
Thank You
Becca
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1891 census
RG12/1512 ED 8 Folio 101 Page 3 Entry 15
Hanworth Norfolk
KNOWLES John Head 44 Widow b Hanworth Norfolk Agricultural Labourer
KNOWLES Rose Dau 21 Unm b Hanworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Laura 18 Unm b Hanworth Norfolk
KNOWLES John Son Unm 15 b Hanworth Norfolk Agricultural Labourer
KNOWLES May Dau 13 b Hanworth Norfolk Scholar
KNOWLES Ernest 10 b Hanworth Norfolk Scholar
KNOWLES Even Grandson 6 months b Hanworth Norfolk
Previous House same reference details Entry 14
KNOWLES William Head 55 Mar b Hanworth Norfolk Agricultural Labourer
KNOWLES Margaret Wife 53 Mar b Stody Norfolk
KNOWLES Ellen Dau 29 Unm b Hanworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Harriett S Dau 21 Unm b Hanworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Edward Grandson 6 b Hanworth Norfolk Scholar
KNOWLES Ethel Granddaughter 4 b Hanworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Arthur Grandson 2 Hanworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Frederick Grandson 2 b Hanworth Norfolk
Cheers Kris ;D
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Thank you, Grandson Evan John born 1890 out of wedlock, Laura's son. The story goes she was working in a large house, was taken advantage of. Anymore info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Becca
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Ohh not a happy story..unfortunately since she is not working there for the census I cannot tell u any more...would have been good if she had been there for the census and u could have seen who was there! ..Here is the 1851 census which confirms that John and William were Brothers as I expected they would b ;D and gets u back another generation as well
HO107/1809 Folio 836 Page 11
... Epringham
Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Edward Head 57 b Hunworth Norfolk Ag Labourer
KNOWLES Elizabeth Wife 52 b Thurning Norfolk
KNOWLES William Son 17 b Hunworth Norfolk Ag Labourer
KNOWLES Sarah Dau 14 b Hunworth Norfolk Works on Farm
KNOWLES Ann Dau 9 b Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES John Son 7 b Hunworth Norfolk Scholar
All the best Kris
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Thank you, appears to be 4 more kids born out of wedlock on Williams side then. Do you have any earlier or later information or cenus returns for them?
Thanks again
Becca
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Anyone with access to the 1881 census returns for Laura Knowles and family, would be interesting to know her mothers name. :)
Thanks
Becca
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1881 census is on familysearch.org.
If it is back online that is!
Teddy
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Here is the 1881 census
RG11/1927 Folio 27 Page 4
The Green
Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES John Head 33 Mar b Hunworth Norfolk Ag Labourer
KNOWLES Elizabeth Wife 30 Mar b Briston Norfolk
KNOWLES Anna Elizabeth Dau 13 b West Becham Norfolk
KNOWLES Rosetta Dau 11 b Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Laura Sophia Dau 9 b Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES John Edward Son 5 b Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES May Blanch Dau 3 b Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Ernest Son 9 months b Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Elizabeth Mother 81 b Thurning Norfolk
Cheers Kris ;D
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and here is Williams family in 1881
RG11/1927 Folio 27 Page 3
The Green
Hunsworth Norfolk
KNOWLES William Head 45 b Hunworth Norfolk Ag Labourer
KNOWLES Margaret Wife 42 b Stody Norfolk Ag Labourers Wife
KNOWLES Edward Son 15 Unm b Hunworth Norfolk Ag Labourer
KNOWLES Walter Son 13 b Hunworth Norfolk Ag Labourer
KNOWLES Harriett Dau 11 b Hunworth Norfolk Scholar
KNOWLES Susannah Dau 5 b Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Edith Dau 2 b Hunworth Norfolk
RG11/1927 Folio 17 Page 2
Farmer House
Hempstead Norfolk
RUMP Catherine Head 61 Widow b Hempstaed Norfolk Farmer 166 acres employing 4 men 1 woman and 2 boys
HENDRY Thomas Son 42 Unm b Wells Norfolk Farmer
KNOWLES Ellen Servant 13 b Hunworth Norfolk General Servant
Cheers Kris ;D
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1901 census
RG13/1827 ED 8 Folio 117 Page 6 Entry 31
The Green
Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES John Snr 59 Widow b Hunworth Norfolk Wood...... Own Account
KNOWLES Mary Dau 23 Unm b Hunworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Ernest Son 20 Unm b Hunworth Norfolk Agricultural Labourer
KNOWLES Irvine Grandson 10 b Hunworth Norfolk
Previous Entry is same details only diff is Entry 30
KNOWLES John Jun 25 Mar b Hunworth Norfolk Agricultural Labourer
KNOWLES Alice Wife 17 Mar b b Briston Norfolk
Cheers Kris ;D
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1901 census Williams Wife.....no idea where everyone has gone!
RG13/1825 ED 18 Folio 176 Page 20 Entry 116
Baker Street
Sheringham Norfolk
JOHNSON Benjamin Head 24 Mar b Sheringham Norfolk Carpenter
JOHNSON Edith Wife 22 b Mar Hunworth Norfolk
JOHNSON Edith E Dau 3 b Sheringham Norfolk
KNOWLES Margaret Mother In Law 64 Widow b Stody Norfolk
Kris
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1901 census found a few more of Williams sadly in a workhouse!!! Written like this in this order I would wonder if both these girls have children!
RG13/1825 Folio 197 Page 3
Epringham Union Workhouse
West Beckham Norfolk
KNOWLES Harriet Pauper 31 Unm b Hanworth Norfolk Servant Domestic
KNOWLES Arthur Pauper 12 b Hanworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Ellen Pauper 39 Unm b Hanworth Norfolk Servant Domestic
KNOWLES Frederick Pauper 12 b Hanworth Norfolk
KNOWLES May Pauper 7 b Hanworth Norfolk
KNOWLES Sidney Pauper 5 b Hanworth Norfolk
Cheers Kris :'(
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Does anyone know where they are in the 1891 Census?
Thanks so much for the research, is it likely that William had died by then or lodging with someone at the time of the 1901 census?
The children were born in Hunworth, so presumeably before they went into the workhouse.
Thanks again
Becca
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??? Cofused Becca Didnt we start this with the 1891 census for both William and Johns Families which is where we came upon these "out of wedlock" children I waas chasing into 1901 ???
Kris
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Hi,
I notice that you are researching Laura Knowles. I am interested in her sister Rose or Rosetta Knowles, born 1870 in Hunworth. Rosetta married Richard Todd and I was wondering whether you have researched this line as I would be interested in any info.
Thanks.
Gary
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Haven't yet but i will do. Having problems with program at the moment so i can't tell you.
Thanks
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Yep sorry Kris. The program is running again so i will research Rose for you. Any specific things you would like to know and have you done any other research further back that i could use? Thanks, I do have some further back, most of it posted in this thread.
Thanks
Becca
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Richard and Rosetta had children:
Richard H Todd b 1895
Katie Todd b 1897
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But I suppose you know that! ::)
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PLEASE can anyone advise me how I can contact Becca Morgan as I am following the same family line and would love to be able to,talk to her about the information she has already gained about our shared family ancestors focusing on Laura Knowles and Frederick Yarham. many thanks to anyone who can help. Wendy
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Hi Rebecca
We seem to have been searching the same knowles line. I know this is an old post but I'm mainly interested in Ellen Knowles and her son Frederick who were both in the erpington workhouse in 1901. She left and eventually married William Hazelwood in 1909. I believe her son Frederick may be my grandfather. Frederick knowles who married Arletta Futter in gt yarmouth and lived in Martham. As one of your posts says she was a servant at a farm and in the next census was back home with possibly 3 children and no husband. All I have to go on is that frederick turned up in Martham in 1911 and on his marrage cert claimed to have been born in Holt and fathered by Thomas William Knowles Game Keeper Which I dont believe. Only 2 fredericks turn up in holt area around 1883-7. One is ellens frederick and the other is to a Clifford Knowles of Hunworth who is older and in 1901 is a groom in a pub. I hope your research can help me with this road block. Mike
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Rebecca has not been on rootschat since 2012, but if she had set up her profile to receive email notifications of replies and has not changed her email address, she should know that there have been replies to this thread.
It is a shame if she misses out on making contact with 'cousins' .....
Sadly, there are many people who join rootschat, post a couple of queries and don't return (for any number of reasons). :-\
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Hi Ruskie
Thanks for the speedy info. I will put out a new post for info
Thanks
Mike
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Hi Mike
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
I've sent Becca a personal message letting her know she's had replies here.
Because of her settings, she won't get anymore notifications that we have all posted here so fingers crossed she comes back soon.
Dawn
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Hi Dawnsh
Thanks for the help.
Mike
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Good luck Mike! :)
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Hi everyone,
Apologies for my absence - this was a long time ago and I haven't had the opportunity to work on this for many years. I will have a look at my old notes and see what I can do, then get back to you.
Best wishes,
Rebecca
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Welcome back Rebeccca!
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Hi Rebecca
Thanks for having a look
Mike
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There is burial for William Knowles age 44 at St Andrews Holt on 15 February 1887 from the Workhouse Beckham.
The family must have gone into the workhouse prior to the entries in 1901 for daughters Harriet and Ellen and families
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Hi Amondg
This william !840 is the son of william and Hannah who was in the work house with his sister Eliza 1834 and both his parents in the 1851 census. The are related to Ellen and Harriett but are not their parents. Their parents are William 1838 and Margret 1838. Isn't it annoying when families all pass down the same christian name and they are born with a similar birth date! Thanks for the info I had not yet researched his death.
Mike