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Title: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: irishmansmiling on Thursday 21 September 06 05:12 BST (UK)
Can anyone tell me if families that once lived in small townlands during the late 1800's, would have decendants still living in and around those townlands today?

What is the likelyhood that 2nd and 3rd generations of a family would move to another townland and or county in Ireland?

I'm trying to figure out if families that once lived in a certain townland in the early 1900's would still have decendants living in the area.

Thanks!
Patrick Ryan
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: saddles on Thursday 21 September 06 05:32 BST (UK)
Hi Patrick.

Yes! it is more than likely that the same family members still
occupy the same property as their ancestors occupied.

Do you have a name and location, do you know if they owned
the property in 1876, or did they lease the property in perpetuity
etc!.

Mike.
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: irishmansmiling on Thursday 21 September 06 13:21 BST (UK)
Catherine Duffy of Lisnadarragh Monaghan
Patrick Fox Corracharra Monaghan
Michael Fox Rebane Monaghan

These names were written in my great-grandmother's cook book. She lived 74 years until 1952. I'm assuming she had some sort of contact with these folks.

I've used the Erie online phone book to see if anyone with those surnames are still livining in those townlands, but nothing has come up.

Is there a better resource for finding current folks living in Monaghan Co?
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: saddles on Friday 22 September 06 00:10 BST (UK)

The names may not show in the Eire phone book as many
prefer to be 'ex-directory', and I have heard it said that as
many as 35% are unlisted.

The 2000 version of the UK Infodisk included the electoral rolls
but I do not have this installed as I changed each time a new
disk came out.

I may re-install if I can find room, but in the meantime try to
locate anyone in rootschat from Monaghan, perhaps they may
attend their local council electoral rolls for you.

Mike.
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: irishmansmiling on Friday 22 September 06 12:35 BST (UK)
Thank you for your help!
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: Christopher on Friday 22 September 06 13:20 BST (UK)

but in the meantime try to
locate anyone in rootschat from Monaghan, perhaps they may
attend their local council electoral rolls for you.

Mike.

Hiya irishmansmiling and Mike,

If you find any Rootschat member in Monaghan I'll lift my hat to you 8) I'm trying to organise a Meet next summer in Dublin. I can tell you it's hard work trying to find members living in Ireland. You have to read lots of profiles which have no location. During the past couple of days I've replied to a reasonable number of queries and a few of them asked for assistance from someone living in the area. I regret to say the one's I answered had not received a response from a local person.

Chris
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: irishmansmiling on Friday 22 September 06 13:26 BST (UK)
I guess it begs the question, are people in Monaghan or any other county in Ireland looking to find long lost family? Are people who live in the more remote areas of Ireland, meaning away from the big cities of Dublin even have access to the internet or even care to?

Thanks for your insight!
Patrick
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: luimneach on Friday 22 September 06 23:02 BST (UK)
while access to internet in ireland is widespread,even outside of dublin,i would have to say that there is little interest in family history.
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: kated on Saturday 23 September 06 21:22 BST (UK)
Hi,

Why not google the surname and townland and see if they have applied for planning permission or anything else with open access.

Kate
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: saddles on Saturday 23 September 06 23:49 BST (UK)

I agree entirely with Christopher!.

In the 12 years I have been on-line and researching Irish
ancestors, and having directed hundreds of people doing the same to actual names and addresses that still show as the
same families, I only know of a handful that have reported
a response after writing snail mail.

Numerous people have been requested not to attempt to
make further contact, and in one reply the person was told
that their mutual ancestor hadd "deserted the sinking ship".

There is certainly a reluctance to communicate and I have
often wondered why!.

Mike.
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: loo on Tuesday 26 September 06 09:18 BST (UK)
This is disappointing news.  Perhaps there are too many of us.  I believe there are more people of Irish descent living abroad than in Ireland.  Emigration has been going on for quite a long time, and I suppose some people may feel almost jealous (and, consequently angry) about those who left, or "escaped", depending on your perspective.
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: Marie M on Tuesday 26 September 06 16:02 BST (UK)
"Escape" and "jealousy"  are a bit strong I'd say there could be just a genuine reason that people remain "long lost", like if they just didn't get on, or they just  can't be bothered.

Unlike people in countries like Austrailia, US and Canada, Irish people are used to having cousins, 2nd cousins etc around and the children of "the diaspora" may hold romantic notions of their distant family and relations, its just not a novelty to us, and maybe people just can't be arsed to rake up the past
Title: Re: Family Migration in Ireland?
Post by: Christopher on Wednesday 27 September 06 21:14 BST (UK)
I looked at GENUKI to see how many  Family History Societies  (http://www.genuki.org.uk/Societies/Ireland.html) there are in Ireland. The online Societies are the  Cork Genealogical Society,  (http://homepage.tinet.ie/%7Eaocoleman)  the Genealogical Society of Ireland,  (http://www.familyhistory.ie)  North of Ireland Family History Society  (http://www.nifhs.org/constitution.htm) (with eleven branches) and the County Roscommon Family History Society.  (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/7030) I am not too sure about the East and West Galway Family History Societies as they lead straight to the Irish Roots website. I was unable to find any dates of meetings for those two Societies.

 The Irish Family History Society  (http://homepage.eircom.net/~ifhs/IFHSnews.htm) have several meetings during the year. Their next one is an all day seminar on Saturday 7th October at 10.00am-5.00pm at Dublin City Library & Archives, 138 - 144 Pearse St., Dublin 2. Non members are welcome so I am considering heading to Dublin to attend that event.

There are six FHSs without websites. 3 in Dublin, and one each in Kerry, Wexford and Wicklow.

Patrick, I was looking at your message again. Families do move around. I've a friend who was born and reared in Dublin and is now in Kildare. My Dad's family, like many others, came to Ireland from England ... stayed a few years and returned to England although my Dad stayed and is buried close to Belfast both my sisters .. once they had been educated here now live in England. Another friend who has spent her life in Ireland .. two or three of a family .. those children lived in England for a while but are now once again living in the north of Ireland so there is quite a bit of toing and froing between Britain and Ireland.

Regarding the people in the late 1800s having descendents still in the same area. There probably are, particularly if they were farmers. In the case of farmers though some of the smaller farmers may have moved out and sold to people with larger farms wanting more land. I think it was in the 1970s there was quite an exodus of farmers from the north of Ireland to Scotland. Land at that time was cheaper in Scotland than the north of Ireland so many sold their farms in Ireland and moved to Scotland as they were able to purchase a much larger farm. Not only that with the money they got from selling in Ireland they were able to buy new machinery as well as a farm in Scotland and still have money in the bank.