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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: F.H. on Monday 18 September 06 11:15 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone out there.
I'm researching the following surnames in my family,
HEINS / HEINES / HINES, mainly West Ham, Canning Town, Forrest Gate area's from about 1850s to around 1970s.
CRUSH, Canning Town area 1890s / 1930s.
PEARCE, West Ham area.
WEST, (born City of London) West Ham area.
SUTTON, Romford, Little Ilford, West Ham. !850 / 1960
SNELLING, Romford, Little Ilford, Manor Park, West Ham, 1800s / 1900.
SHARP, Ilford, Manor Park, West Ham. 1860s / 1970s.
I'd love to hear from you,
Regards
F H ;)
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Hi F.H.
My Suttons lived in Chadwell Heath and Dagenham. Do you have any links with them?
I would be interested about your West Ham Suttons - my gr. grandfather and 2 of his daughters married in West Ham and I have often wondered if they were linked to the Stratford Suttons. Also have you ever heard of Sutton Music School in Stratford? I've seen that mentioned in a family History Society Mag.
regards
pugs
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Hello Pugs.
My Sutton's came from the Romford area around the 1830/40s and lived at Barrack ground, Romford during the 1851 census.
This is now where Waterloo Road is, just off London Road. You don't have to go very far and you are in Chadwell Heath...
It was around the late 1800s/early 1900s that they were in the West Ham area where my great great grandfather William George SUTTON married. Also my granny, Gertrude SUTTON married my grandfather Stanley SHARP in West Ham.
I don't know of the Stratford Sutton's, but it is possible as there were several brothers and sisters. I was born in Stratford, but most of my Sutton family lived Little Ilford way, East Ham and Manor Park.
What was you grandfathers name?
Regards,
Fred.
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Hi Fred,
I took a look at your Suttons 1851. I have looked at them before - George was a rag dealer wasnt he. My older Suttons were baptised in Romford but I have never found a baptism for my gr. grandfather Henry Sutton born 1835 Dagenham/Chadwell Heath.
I have checked probably just about every Sutton living around mine - especially those who use same names as my family. Funnily enough the name Fred appears alot amongst mine - Alfred and Frederick. One of them - Fred Sutton born in late 1800s early 1900s was a clockmaker.
Henry was eligitimate, but his mother was Elizabeth and his grandparents were Thomas and Ann Hannah Sutton. Thomas dies before the 1841 census so I dont know where he was born.
If your George was baptised in Romford he could be related to the Stapleford Abbott Suttons - there is a Thomas Sutton born Romford I think it was 1812 - father John (from the IGI data).
My Phillips and Sheas were born and brought up around the Stratford/Bromley/Manor Park area. William Street,Church Street,Washington Street, Chandos St and Greenhill Grove. They moved around alot!!
Anyway. I'll close here.
regards
Angela
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Hi F.H.
I also have links with the name West from West Ham. My great grandfather James Beat married a Mary Ann West in 1930. This was a 2nd marriage for both of them as Mary Ann was formerly Martin.
Look forward to hearing from you if there is a possible connection.
Regards
Cheryl
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Hi Cheryl. :)
Sorry about the delay. ::)
My great grandfather was James Thomas WEST b.1862 in Shoreditch, London. It was when he had married and had his family that he lived in West Ham, Maud Street. This would have been in the late 1880s/90s
He was married to Jessie Augusta KEMP in 1886. He had to my knowledge three children in wedlock, but I am informed that he also had other children... if you know what i mean. :o :o
He lived until he was about 99 years of age, opposite Forrest Gate police station, as i remember going to see him when i was a lad in the early 1960s.
Let me know if you think there may be a connection please, look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Fred.
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Hi Fred
I've only recently found my links with the West line, but because my Mary Ann was a West by marriage before she married my g-grandfather, its only a distant link.
Her first husband was Percy born c.1867 in Hastings and they married in Southwark in 1895.
It looks likely that your West's and mine may not be the same but I'll keep searching and who know's what may turn up.
Good luck with your research.
Regards
Cheryl
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Hi Cheryl.
Thanks for the reply, never mind.
If I find anything out about your WEST's, I'll let you know.
Regards,
Fred. ;) :)
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Hi F.H,
I have links with the Snellings of little Ilford, West/East Ham and Manor Park. If you could tell me who your specifically looking for, I may be able to help. I have just started resarching this side of my family tree, but have managed to uncover quite a bit about the Snellings I am related to.
Regards
Monkey
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ello Monkey...
My Snelling family come from Dunton in Essex. Nathaniel/Daniel.
My g granny was Gertrude Snelling. She had been married to Charles Brown, but he unfortunately died when he was 21.
They'd had two children.
She went on to marry William George Sutton in 1903 at West Ham.
They then lived in "little Ilford Lane" (Manor Park).
So If this rings any of your bells monkey... let me know.
Regards,
Fred.
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Hi Fred,
Gertrude Snelling was the sister of my great, great grandfather David James Snelling, listed on the census as James Snelling. I had noticed on the census that Gertrude was listed as Snelling in 1891, then in 1901 as Brown, so I looked up her wedding and found the Charles Brown connection. I didn't know about the Sutton marriage though.
Gertrudes brother David Snelling, i'm not sure if he was known as James, he was born David James Snelling, but everywhere I have found he is listed as James. There was another brother I know of, Peter, but I have no information on him yet.
David lived in Grantham Road which is right next to Little Ilford Lane. He had 5 children who all continued to live in the same area, but eventually moved away during and after the war.
So looks like there is a connection. If there is anything else you would like to know, Please get in touch. I do have some more information on Gertrudes parents if you are missing this. Anything else you know I would be interested to hear from you.
Thanks, Regards
Monkey (Em)
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Hello monkey. :)
Looks like we are connected...
Yes, this is the family.
My mum was Gertrude Sharp b.1923, born in Grantham Road, oldest daughter of Stanley Sharp and Gertrude Sutton b. 1904.
Gertrude Sutton was the oldest daughter of the marriage between William Sutton and Gertrude Brown (nee Snelling) b. 1883.
I have got back to about 1760 with the John and Susan Snelling family, they came from East Hornden/Dunton area of Essex, but I suppose you have all this.
It seems quite sad that her marriage to Charles Brown didn't last too long. He died of "Typhoid fever for 22 days then heart failure". His age was 21 years and they were living in Ley Street, Ilford at the time. They also had two young children, Edith and Charles.
Hope you find this of interest...
Speak to you later.
Regards,
Fred.
PS. Monkey isn't your real name, is it.......... :-\ :o
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Hi Fred,
No my real name is Emma, not Monkey. I don't have all the information going back to 1760. I have only got as far as Gertrude and Davids mother and father at the moment. I am currently waiting on a copy of the marriage certificate, which will lead me to James's parents.
If you have any information that would be great, and again if you are missing anything, let me know and I will see if I can help.
Shows what a small world it is of this family tree research, that we can trace back that far and make a connection.
Do you know what number Grantham road Gertrude Sharp was born? The Snellings seem to have connections to numbers 34 and 28, this I have from Birth and Marriage certificates.
Regards
Emma
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Hi Emma,
I was only joking, I didn't really think your name was monkey... no seriously I didn't. ha ha.
My mum, (Jeanie) real name Gertrude, was born at 44 Grantham Road, (as per her birth cert) and I was born at No. 6 Eighth Avenue, Manor Park.
My mum married Freddy Hines the boxer, from Canning Town.
I'm not saying every thing I have is 100% correct, but if you want me to let you have all the info I have on the Snelling family, I will.
When I was a lad back in the late 50s I remember going to see my granny Sutton (Snelling), a white haired lady wearing a wrap-around-pinny, she lived in Little Ilford Lane at the time.
Regards,
Fred
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Hi Fred,
If you could send me all the info you have on the snellings that would be great, It would give me a great start.
None of my family realy remember much about visiting their relatives in Manor Park.
Do you still live in that area? I have spoken to my aunty about taking a trip there to see what it is like now, and if there are any church records that may still exist for our family there.
Regards
Emma
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Hi F.H.
I know an Alf Heins from the West Ham area, who was a professional boxer and appeared in a couple of films under the name Alf Hines. I believe this maybe your Dads cousin? Does that seem correct?
Sorry this is my first posting on this site.
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Hi ya lh2301.
Yes, Alf is my dads cousin, my second cousin. My dad too was a boxer, a bit older than Alf. It was Alf's father who got my dad interested in boxing at the age of 7 when they lived in Canning Town.
Do you know the whereabouts of Alf now?. I would like to get in touch with him again.
I have enclosed a photo of my father.
Regards,
Fred Hines
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Hi Fred
Thanks for the photo, I will certainly print it off and show it to Alf when I next see him.
Alf's boxing records can be found at the link below if you are interested.
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=191759&cat=boxer
Also, I attach a picture taken from the video cover of one of the films he appeared in (the Square Ring)
- Alf is the one on the left!
Regards Lisa
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Hi Monkey,
You may be able to help. I am trying to track some Snelling family members from Essex. Robert James born 16/10/1921 or 2 Died 7/2/1945 Burma. Father George mother Kate Brother Peter. I am researching the crew of a liberator shot down by japanese in WW2 in southern Burma
Any help would be appreciated
Glen (australia)