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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: nataz on Friday 15 September 06 16:12 BST (UK)
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Hi I'm try to trace anyone with information on the Rickman family from Lymington. The furthest I have traced is Frederick Rickman born around 1840, father is either Joseph/Josieh. Any info would be great!
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Do you know if Joseph had any brothers or sisters?
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I have just been through the GRO marriage indexes from the begining of civil registration - Sep qtr 1837 until Dec qtr 1840.
Looked for a Joseph or Josiah but nothing for RICKMAN.
I did however find a Josiah RICHMAN.
I had tried a Joseph/Josiah RICKMAN on Freebmd with no results so tried again with the other surname I had found. Having noticed on the census data (if I found the right family) Frederick's mother was an Elizabeth - what do you think to this entry?
Josiah RICHMAN Dec qtr 1838 Lymington vol 8 pg 282
Elizabeth DOWDEN Dec qtr 1838 Lymington vol 8 pg 282
You will have to think about whether these two could be yours but remember the spelling was how the vicar would have written it down. If no-one told him how to spell it then he would write it the way he thought it should be written.
If you do buy the certificate then in 1838 it gave father's names which will take you back another generation.
Regards
Sally
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I Probably confused things by asking about the father, Joseph.
If Frederick was born in 1840 his father would have been born before civil reigistration.
There were 8 RICKMAN families living in the neighbouring parish of Boldre in 1817. Joseph is a name included in some of the families listed hence my question about any known siblings for Joseph.
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Hi there
It was the marriage GRO info I sent not the birth of a Josiah.
Have you found Frederick on the 1841 or 1851 census which should give his parents?
Regards
Sally
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Sorry, realised that after I'd posted my message. :(
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Hi I'm Steve Rickman and im tracing my family tree on the Rickman side. We do have a Fredrick Rickman but i dont have a DOB or Death. However looking at it it may be an younger Fredrick. I'm lead to understand that his Father was William Jonas Rickman born in 1874.
If you come across any of my "Rickmans" in your search please drop us a line and i have taken notes and will do the same for you.
Both my Grandfather and Great grandfather were William Jonas and my Father
was Albert Charles.
Kind Regards
Steve
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Thanks for all the replies.
Quick update
Frederick Rickmans father was Josiah Rickman(Richman) born 1818 mother Elizabeth Dowden born 1808 Sway.
Two sisters, Emily 1846 and Jane 1848.
Steve - whats the DOB for your Frederick. My Frederick had several kids, one was called Frederick (1866) and another William (1871). Could they be any link to yours?
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Hi Nataz
There are lots of Rickmans all around that area i know but we havnt yet discovered the DOB of Fredrick we think his father was William Jonas Rickman B:1874 Mother Francis Annie Bishop B:1875.
So this might not be a match, he also had a brother also William Jonas B:1899
It was worth a try!
Good Luck
Regards
Steve
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Oh BTW
William Jonas 1874 was born in Lymington / Sway
Regards
Steve
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Hi
Ive double checked and there doesnt seem to be a match. However, they are all from Brockenhurst, Lymington and Sway so more than likely they will be related some how. Seems Frederick and William were very populay names!
The furthest I have got back is Robert Rickman brn 1552 in Ringwood, Hampshire. He had two sons, Nicholas and Robert Jnr. Robert Jnrs Grandson William went on to become a prominent figure in the American Revolution!
My husbands side comes from Nicholas. They eventually moved from Hampshie to Buxton, Derbyshire. My father in law then moved his family to Northumberland.
Id be pleased to help you if you find a link anytime.
Natalie
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I believe I descend from Robert Rickman. What documentation do you have regarding his birth around 1552 or how did you find information regarding him or his son? Appreciate any help you can offer.
Jim Rickman
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I would appreciate learning about any documentation you have concerning Robert Rickman, born about 1552.
Thanks,
Jim Rickman
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Hi Jim
I dont have any documents myself. Its been such a long time but I think I got the info through a website called tribal pages. I put my tree in there and basically followed the matches. I live in northumberland, so have not been able to reify any of the details myself, but after speaking to other rickmans through various forums I believe the info to be correct.
Not sure if you have access to Genes Reunited, but my tree is on there and you are more than welcome to view it.
Natalie
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Hi
I take it that is refers to one of your Rickman family:
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle Saturday, June 19, 1858
Marriages: COLLICK-RICKMAN On the 17th inst, at St. Saviours, Bitterne, by the Rev. H. Usborne, Incumbent, Mr. George Collick, of South Bersted, Sussex, to Emily Frances, daughter of the late Mr. John Rickman of Lymington.
The same newspaper mentions that the Rickman family of Lymington were a firm of solicitors, is that right?
Also:
COWES .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle Saturday, January 15, 1870
The inquest on the body of E. Rickman, of Lymington, knocked overboard at the mouth of Cowes harbour took place on Wednesday, when a verdict of "Accidental Death" was returned. (No further details added at all)
Tom
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Neither of those match any names in my tree, but thank you for posting it
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If of interest, I have some documentation relating to Albert Rickman, a volunteer who served as a private and died during World War One.
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John Rickman sailed with Captain James Cook on his third voyage of discovery (1776-1780). Rickman died in Lymington in 1818 and according to his will, his family comprised
Mary his wife.
Sons John, Robert, George, Tom.
Daughters Sarah (married Henry Jenkins) and Mary.
I hope this helps somebody.
Cliff
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Hi I'm Steve Rickman and im tracing my family tree on the Rickman side. We do have a Fredrick Rickman but i dont have a DOB or Death. However looking at it it may be an younger Fredrick. I'm lead to understand that his Father was William Jonas Rickman born in 1874.
If you come across any of my "Rickmans" in your search please drop us a line and i have taken notes and will do the same for you.
Both my Grandfather and Great grandfather were William Jonas and my Father
was Albert Charles.
Kind Regards
Steve
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Hi Steve
If your Mum is Nora & you have a brother Robert & a sister Diane then I am your cousin Eveline. My Dad was Douglas Rickman, son of Emily Rolls and adopted by William Jonas Rickman when he married Emily.
I always knew Albert Charles as Uncle Ted - are we talking the same family here
Regards
Lin (Eveline Rickman)
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RICKMAN were a well know Romany Family living within the New Forest there is reference to them on the 1911 Census.
Christchurch, Hampshire.
Name Age Birthplace Relationship Occupation
Charles Rickman 28 Lewes, Sussex Head Hawker
Nelly Rickman 25 Lewes, Sussex Wife
Patience Rickman 6 Lewes, Sussex Daughter School
Charles Rickman 4 Lewes, Sussex Son
Milly Rickman 3 Lewes, Sussex Daughter
Henry Rickman 1 Lewes, Sussex Son
Completed years Married: 7
Gipsy Caravan, St Catherines Hill
You can view the documentation here : http://gypsyjib.wetpaint.com/page/Household+Transcripts+1911+Census+Hampshire
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Thanks Bilge
My Dad said he was of Romany descent - I will check out the 1911 site link you have kindly included
Regards
Lin
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I came across this and remembered this thread ;)
I hope its of some value to you guys researching the RICKMANS. ;D
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-HAMPSHIRE/2007-01/1170025091
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Thanks Bilge
Checked the link & it is very interesting - have saved it for closer reading
Lin
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Looks like I'm on a roll. ;D
Take a read of this web page: http://www.southernlife.org.uk/sway.htm
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you certainly are on a roll - thanks again - Lin
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Does anyone on this site have a copy of Comyns New Forest? I know that the farm opposite me had a family called Rickman in it, around 1800. I remember this from my mum in law's copy, which unfortunately I don't have. The current resident of the farm is....Fred Rickman! He moved there about 10-15 years ago but I know it's a long established Forest family. Comyn's may have the answer. If all else fails why not contact the New Forest Museum in Lyndhurst, who have a good reference library which includes a copy of Comyns.
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Sorry, forgot to say that the address in question is Bowling Green Farm, Sway Road, Pennington.
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Hi Nataz - did you get any further with Josiah RICKMAN? I am interested in his wife Elizabeth DOWDEN born Boldre in c1820, in particular in who her parents were.
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Have you looked here?
http://www.knightroots.co.uk/transcriptions/Parishes_B/Boldre/Baptisms/baptisms.htm
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It only goes up to 1812, too early for my search
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The furthest I have got back is Robert Rickman brn 1552 in Ringwood, Hampshire. He had two sons, Nicholas and Robert Jnr. Robert Jnrs Grandson William went on to become a prominent figure in the American Revolution!
I think I got the info through a website called tribal pages.
Assuming I've found the right tree of TribalPages (http://www.tribalpages.com/family-tree/mortonfamilytree/16/493/Robert-RICKMAN-Family), it gives the two sons' dates and places of birth as 1590 at Milford and 1602 at Pennington, respectively. Like a lot of what's on TribalPages, it gives no sources, and looking at the earliest few generations I would suggest ignoring it entirely and researching it yourself from scratch.
The dates for the two children mentioned match what I suspect is actually a longer run of RICKMAN baptisms starting in Eling with William (1587), John (1589), Robert (1590), Henry (1592), Katherine (1594), and Richard (1596); and concluding in Milford-on-Sea with George (1600) and Nicholas (1602). The TribalPages tree gives the parents as Robert RICKMAN and Elizabeth BISHOPE who married in 1590. I've no idea where that date came from, but a couple with those names married at Eling in 1577. If that's the parents' marriage, there may well be earlier children baptised elsewhere. It may be possible to confirm this by reading the will 1612A/078 in the Hampshire Archives, which I suspect is the father's. I assume the 1552 estimated date of birth is based on the father being about 25 when he married in 1577, which is a reasonable estimate.
I've followed a different line that goes back to a William RICKMAN (c1535-1599) who lived in or held property in Ringwood, Milford-on-Sea and Eling, on the west, south-west and north-east edges of the New Forest, respectively. William married twice. William and his first wife, whose name I don't know, may have had a son John (bp 1559, Eling) who died as a child; they then a had a daughter, Bridget RICKMAN (bp 1562, Eling) who married Henry LOVELL in 1577 in Eling, had seven children, and was buried there in 1615, leaving a will 1615A/52 in the Hampshire Archives. I have much information on her descendants, and on Henry's ancestors.
William's first wife presumably died and he married a widow, Joan MITCHELL (or MICHAEL?), probably c1575. I do not know Joan's maiden name, nor the given name of her first husband by whom she had two children by him: Joan MITCHELL (b c1560; m John RAKE, 1582, Eling; bur 1640, Eling) and Elizabeth MITCHELL (b c1560; m John ALDRIDGE, 1580, Eling). William and Joan RICKMAN probably had a son William (bp 1577, Eling) who died as a child; they then had a daughter Katherine RICKMAN (bp 1578, Eling), who married David URRY in 1594 in Eling, where two children were baptised before they moved to Freshwater on the Isle of Wight.
William RICKMAN died in 1599 and was buried in Eling, leaving property inventoried at £1123, both in Milford and Ringwood parishes. His second wife Joan died in 1606 and was buried in Ringwood. Both left wills, 1599A/65 in the Hampshire Archives and PROB11/108/141 in the National Archives, respectively. William's will mentions a brother Robert RICKMAN. Assuming a first child in 1559, a birth of c1535 seems a reasonable estimate. If William was one of the eldest of many children and Robert one of the youngest, it's possible that the brother is the Robert who marred Elizabeth BISHOP, and the age gap needn't be as much as the 17 years between the two estimates.
There was also a Morris RICKMAN who had two children baptised in Ringwood: John (1575) & Nicholas (1579); he is likely the Morris RICKMAN who married Mary S___ as Ringwood in 1564. He is also probably the person who was a defendant in the Chancery case Lovell v Wells between Henry & Bridget LOVELL (the daughter of William RICKMAN discussed above), and Gilbert WELLS and Morris RICKMAN over the manor of Bockhampton in Christchurch. I've not yet read the particulars of the case, C2/Eliz/L12/10 in the National Archives, but it's indexed under Elizabeth's reign (1558-1603), and clearly after 1577 as Henry and Bridget were married. If Morris married in 1564, he could well be a brother of William RICKMAN and/or Robert RICKMAN; if so, the Chancery case may identify Morris as Bridget's uncle; and if the matter was one of inheritance, Morris's father could be named too.
Richard
[email: richard AT ex HYPHEN parrot DOT com]