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Title: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Brian & Berni on Tuesday 12 September 06 17:51 BST (UK): I will start this one off for tomorrow night cant wait for this one
I will get home from college in time for it starting so I wont have to wait until next tuesday
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Post by: CarolBurns on Tuesday 12 September 06 17:59 BST (UK): Seen clips of it when they are advertising it and it looks like he has a few mysteries so should be good

See you tomorrow night at 10.05pm on here lol

Carol
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Post by: kerryb on Tuesday 12 September 06 18:28 BST (UK): Carol

I have booked my place in front of the TV at 8.55 pm and then here at 10.05 pm. See you here!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Kerry
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Brian & Berni on Tuesday 12 September 06 20:07 BST (UK): Thanks Berlin-Bob
Just found the # button
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Post by: Mobo on Tuesday 12 September 06 20:20 BST (UK): :D :D :D

I like Robert Lindsay - exellent actor - saw him in "Me & My Girl" - he was fabulous !!

Here's a taster for tomorrow night's viewing - can't wait.

8) 8) 8)
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Post by: Lloydy on Tuesday 12 September 06 20:50 BST (UK): I am all set for tomorrow night......I wonder if my hubby will watch it again this week? :o :o
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Post by: kena on Tuesday 12 September 06 21:05 BST (UK): Hi, Colin Jackson next week, just saw it in a magazine today. By the way, has anybody seen the new Who Do You Think You Are Series 2 dvd that has just come out, it is 330 odd minutes long so looks like the episodes in entirity.

Anna
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Post by: Mobo on Wednesday 13 September 06 18:48 BST (UK): ;D ;D ;D

I must be the biggest twit there is !!

This morning, early, I thought I was being clever and got my Tesco delivery order in for tonight, between 8 and 10pm. How could I forget WDYTYA??? And what's the betting it arrives dead on 9 at the start of the programme. ??? ??? ??? Can't video it either, 'cos something else is being taped on another channel.
>:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: kerryb on Wednesday 13 September 06 19:33 BST (UK): We've got a thunder storm rattling round here and I hope it's not going to cause me any problems with TV reception at 9 pm!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o

Kerry
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Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 13 September 06 19:47 BST (UK): All is not lost Kerry, the shows are being repeated on Monday (I think) evenings on BBC2.

Nanny Jan
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: kerryb on Wednesday 13 September 06 19:56 BST (UK): Thank goodness for that, the way this storm is carrying on, the lights might be out by 9 pm!!!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Lloydy on Wednesday 13 September 06 20:58 BST (UK): Get in your comfy chairs, only a couple of minutes to go........ ;D

Enjoy ;)
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Post by: teap78 on Wednesday 13 September 06 21:14 BST (UK): im enjoying this one, poor Jessie, such a hard worker by the looks of things.
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Post by: CarolBurns on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:01 BST (UK): They seem to be heading for very emotional programmes this series. Or is it just me getting more emotional as I get older?

Loved the spooky part about being at the graveside of his Aunt Patricia Ann on the same day that she was buried 67 years before

Pity he couldn't find Bert. I'm sure he could if they helped him

Carol
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Post by: LA.Blue on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:01 BST (UK): Disappointed he didn't go further back. Why could they not go further with the first son? Death certificate or something
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Post by: carrielovesfanta on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:02 BST (UK): Oh gosh, how sad was that?? :'(

but really interesting! and so many spooky coincidences. I'm sure that they could have tried to find out something about Bert, what a shame.

Caz
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Post by: kerryb on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:02 BST (UK): Carol

I know exactly what you mean, that one had me in tears, especially the baby girls and the last bit at Gallipolli.

Very interesting programme and what a nice man Robert Lindsay is!!!

Kerry
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Post by: Comosus on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:03 BST (UK): I thought that was the best episode so far (out of all the series). Looks like I'll need to go to Kew/NA to find out about my Great Grandfather.

Andrew
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Post by: carrielovesfanta on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:03 BST (UK): It's a lovely thought that all those little children are together...oh i'm getting all teary!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Comosus on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:04 BST (UK): Quote from: LA.Blue on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:01 BST (UK)
Disappointed he didn't go further back. Why could they not go further with the first son? Death certificate or something
While it may have been possible, I think they decided to leave it out because the information they would find would be about living people.

Andrew
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: subee on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:06 BST (UK): Quote from: CarolBurns on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:01 BST (UK)

Pity he couldn't find Bert. I'm sure he could if they helped him

Carol

They should have asked on here!! ;D
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: carrielovesfanta on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:07 BST (UK): Maybe we should find Bert....
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Post by: kerryb on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:08 BST (UK): I want to know who the man was that his grandma laid out!!!!!!

Good woman!!

Kerry ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: subee on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:08 BST (UK): His last name was Dawson wasn't it and he was born in 1919.........

subee x
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: acceber on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:08 BST (UK): Hi

Definitly moving stuff about his aunts.

His page on the BBC wdytya gallery website has more information on his grandmother hannah's family, including bits on bigamy etc and it seems they did research further back but didnt include it in the final film.

Looking forward to Colin Jackson next week ;D
acceber
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: SallyF on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:09 BST (UK): Was glued to this one.

I have family from Ilkeston in Derbyshire, too, so had a personal interest.

Also, my husband's great grandfather was in the Northumberland Fusiliers at the Somme. When he died on 1st July 1916, the next regiment along was the Sherwood Forresters that Robert's grandfather would have been with had he not been injured in February. To be honest, they were right when they said he was lucky not to be there.

Was willing them to go further, but I suppose with so much to cover, they concentrated on just the grandparents (grandfathers more than anything).

Good to see some skeletons rattling, but was disappointed that they just said "could go no further" with Bert. Of course they could with a bit of searching... the clues were there.

Sally
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Post by: subee on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:10 BST (UK): Quote from: kerryb on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:08 BST (UK)
I want to know who the man was that his grandma laid out!!!!!!

Good woman!!

Kerry ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D
She did look a bit scary didn't she? ;D

good programme though :D

subee x
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Post by: carrielovesfanta on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:12 BST (UK): From the BBC page:

"Hannah Hallsworth had two children out of wedlock before settling down with Raymond Dunsmore"

So one was Bert...who was the other? ??? :o
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: kerryb on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:13 BST (UK): I've just read that, hmm, I wish the programmes were longer than an hour!!!!!

Kerry
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: CarolBurns on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:13 BST (UK): You could see the tears in his eyes when he stood at the grave and then tried to explain the "real " him as not showing emotion.

I agree with Andrew, now I think about it, maybe it would have been too upsetting for the family of Bert. Or maybe Robert has found him but wants to keep it private.

Also loved his speech at the end where he said that our past is always with us and their past as well.

Carol
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Post by: CarolBurns on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:15 BST (UK): whats the URL for that site Kerry?

Wouldn't mind reading a bit more especially about Hannah - she reminds me of so many of my female family members lol

Carol
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Post by: aspin on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:15 BST (UK): Maybe Robert should join Rootschat I'm sure someone will find his uncle Bert

I have a grt uncle who was killed out there he is buried at Ismailia War Memorial Cemetery

We did a tour last September of the Black Sea and our last stay was looking over to the Dardanelles we watched the sun go down it was very moving
Elizabeth
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: SallyF on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:17 BST (UK): Quote from: subee on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:08 BST (UK)
His last name was Dawson wasn't it and he was born in 1919.........

Wasn't that his middle name? "Herbert Dawson Hallsworth".

How many times have we seen a surname used as middle name. Clue!! Clue!!
(Sorry, getting all over excited... ;D)

Sally
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Post by: stephen7 on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:17 BST (UK): i am the odd one out. was a bit disappointed with tonights episode. too sentimental! ;) ;) ;)
think this'll get the replies going
steve
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Post by: tazzie on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:18 BST (UK):   Could this be Uncle Bert.....?

   Herbert Dawson Hallsworth b 18 feb 1919
   d July Q 1988
   age 69 years vol 7 page 907
   Scunthorpe & Barton upon Humber Lincs

   Tazzie
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: carrielovesfanta on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:18 BST (UK): Quote from: SallyF on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:17 BST (UK)
How many times have we seen a surname used as middle name. Clue!! Clue!!

Yeah, that's what I was thinking ;)

but Andrew is probably right in that it was too sensitive
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Post by: Lesanne on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:19 BST (UK): I wouldn't be suprised if they had found "Bert" but his family wanted to stay in the background.
Great footage of WW1, gives us so much more"feeling" of what our grandfathers went through. I bet the CWGC site is busy.
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Post by: LA.Blue on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:20 BST (UK): Quote from: Comosus on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:04 BST (UK)
While it may have been possible, I think they decided to leave it out because the information they would find would be about living people.

Andrew

That's the conclusion I came to.

I was interested to see Gallipoli as I have 2 on my tree who were killed there.
It seems as though a lot of the serving men were just boys. Looking through my father's papers yesterday I noticed he added 3years on to his age when he signed up
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: tazzie on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:23 BST (UK): Just had another look Yes lots of the name still living in the area in Licolnshire....

Tazzie
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: SallyF on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:24 BST (UK): Quote from: carrielovesfanta on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:18 BST (UK)
Quote from: SallyF on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:17 BST (UK)
How many times have we seen a surname used as middle name. Clue!! Clue!!

Yeah, that's what I was thinking ;)

but Andrew is probably right in that it was too sensitive

Wouldn't mind finding out I was related to Robert Lindsay!! ;)

Sally
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: subee on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:25 BST (UK): Quote from: tazzie on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:18 BST (UK)

  Could this be Uncle Bert.....?

   Herbert Dawson Hallsworth b 18 feb 1919
   d July Q 1988
   age 69 years vol 7 page 907
   Scunthorpe & Barton upon Humber Lincs

   Tazzie


well done Tazzie that looks good!!! ;D

subee x
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: patrish on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:25 BST (UK): We have got storms also Kerry, like you I was worried as our power dipped very low a couple of times, not unusual, but it was o.k, thought Robert Lindsay was very interesting, especially the undersea footage.

Patrish
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Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:26 BST (UK): I wish the programme had gone back another generation but I'm so glad I've booked my trip to the National Archives with my Family History Society; I've got 3 servicemen to look for.

Well done Tazzie; could be him.

Nanny Jan
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: acceber on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:26 BST (UK): yep it looks like tazzie could be onto something!

acceber
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Post by: CarolBurns on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:27 BST (UK): Looks like you found him Tazzie

Well done

Carol
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Post by: aspin on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:27 BST (UK): Quote from: SallyF on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:09 BST (UK)
Was glued to this one.

I have family from Ilkeston in Derbyshire, too, so had a personal interest.

Also, my husband's great grandfather was in the Northumberland Fusiliers at the Somme. When he died on 1st July 1916, the next regiment along was the Sherwood Forresters that Robert's grandfather would have been with had he not been injured in February. To be honest, they were right when they said he was lucky not to be there.

Was willing them to go further, but I suppose with so much to cover, they concentrated on just the grandparents (grandfathers more than anything).

Good to see some skeletons rattling, but was disappointed that they just said "could go no further" with Bert. Of course they could with a bit of searching... the clues were there.

Sally
How strange My grandfather was in the fusiliers when my uncle was born July 1916 and I see you are searching the Bainbridges I found a Bainbridge from Newcastle serving in the Coldstream guards with my grandfather Elizabeth
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: subee on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:29 BST (UK): Quote from: patrish on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:25 BST (UK)
We have got storms also Kerry, like you I was worried as our power dipped very low a couple of times, not unusual, but it was o.k, thought Robert Lindsay was very interesting, especially the undersea footage.

Patrish

Major thunderstorm here in Norfolk right now - probably gonna lose internet connection lights keep dipping.... ::)

subee x
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Post by: Springbok on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:29 BST (UK): Both my husband and self ,came to the same conclusion, that as Robert said, he is a very private person.

And to possibly find out more personal details about ancestors would require a great deal of restraint to control emotions in front of such a large audience.
Very different to acting!!

At least was a good programme about social and War History.

And we all knew that we could track down Bert.!

Spring
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Post by: LA.Blue on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:29 BST (UK): Quote from: stephen7 on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:17 BST (UK)
i am the odd one out. was a bit disappointed with tonights episode. too sentimental! ;) ;) ;)
think this'll get the replies going
steve

I think the celebrities come across as quite naive sometimes or have we just got hardened by reading about too many premature deaths
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Post by: Mobo on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:30 BST (UK): ;D ;D ;D

Aw ! what another wonderful programme !!
I too was disappointed that they didn't go further back looking for gt.gt. grandparents though. I bet some of his family were from other areas, and only ended up in Derbyshire because of work.

I love to see how people are so surprised that they can be touched by it all.

I think Robert Lindsay will do more research, as I got the feeling he has the 'bug'.

8) 8) 8)
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Post by: carrielovesfanta on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:30 BST (UK): We had a great storm here (NW Essex). was watching the programme but also had the lights off and the curtains open :)
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Post by: teap78 on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:31 BST (UK): Quote from: CarolBurns on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:15 BST (UK)
whats the URL for that site Kerry?

Wouldn't mind reading a bit more especially about Hannah - she reminds me of so many of my female family members lol

Carol

Here you go Carol

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/get_started/wdytya_celeb_gallery_02.shtml

Colette
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Post by: CarolBurns on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:32 BST (UK): Quote from: Mobo on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:30 BST (UK)
;D ;D ;D

Aw ! what another wonderful programme !!
I too was disappointed that they didn't go further back looking for gt.gt. grandparents though. I bet some of his family were from other areas, and only ended up in Derbyshire because of work.

I love to see how people are so surprised that they can be touched by it all.

I think Robert Lindsay will do more research, as I got the feeling he has the 'bug'.

8) 8) 8)

I think he will as well Anne - as he said everyone should do this

Carol
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Post by: carrielovesfanta on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:33 BST (UK): I liked it when he described it as "cathartic for the soul"
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Post by: CarolBurns on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:33 BST (UK): Thanks Kerry ;D

Carol
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Post by: Andi R on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:34 BST (UK): Certainly one of the more interesting ones

Andrew
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Post by: Bill749 on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:36 BST (UK): Quote
I'm so glad I've booked my trip to the National Archives with my Family History Society

Don't expect to be let into the vaults, though, Jan!

I wish they wouldn't show these people doing things that the rest of us would not be able to do - the thought of someone being let loose in the vaults to take stuff off the shelves fills me with horror! The only time the public get to see behind the scenes is on the organised Saturday tours.

Regards, Bill
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Post by: Mobo on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:38 BST (UK): 8) 8) 8)

Thanks for that Colette, shame it wasn't in the progamme

8) 8) 8)
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Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:47 BST (UK): Bill,

I'll be happy just to be able to find their papers; don't really fancy being down in the vaults!

Nanny Jan
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Post by: Bill749 on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:54 BST (UK): Good luck Jan - I was there with our local FHS branch last week - some good fortune but very frustrating as usual!

Regards, Bill
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Post by: carrielovesfanta on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:57 BST (UK): Quote from: nanny jan on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:47 BST (UK)
don't really fancy being down in the vaults!

wouldn't fancy it if the lights blacked out like in the program!
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Post by: custard_pot on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:58 BST (UK): I thought it was great.!!! It has really got me thinking as my grandfather was in the Navy in WW1 and I have been told his ship was blown up. He survived but spent that much time in the water it destroyed his stomach lining.

Now I want to know more !!!!!

Christine
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Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:59 BST (UK): I've got to be patient; my trip is in early November. Plenty of time to get as much research done as I can from Dorset.

Nanny Jan
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Post by: alveleyhistorian on Wednesday 13 September 06 23:02 BST (UK): Quote from: aspin on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:15 BST (UK)
Maybe Robert should join Rootschat I'm sure someone will find his uncle Bert

I have found some info "Uncle Bert" and have just spent the last 20 mins trying to find a postal address for Robert Lindsay.
I hope the postman is nice around his area, because I can't find an exact address ! :) :) :) :) :) :) But I'm sure it'll get there ;)

alveleyhistorian
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Post by: aspin on Wednesday 13 September 06 23:04 BST (UK): Well done

Elizabeth

If he is like me when I am waiting for a certificate I cannot wait for the posty to come
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Dave Francis on Wednesday 13 September 06 23:38 BST (UK): I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's programme - some strong stories and not a single Census return in sight!

As regards Bert, it is quite easy to find his birth and death registrations. A researcher for the programme would have had no difficulty at all and probably looked into this. I imagine there were good reasons for casting a veil over Bert's life, so perhaps we should respect that and not dig too deeply - if at all?

Dave
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Post by: ozlady on Thursday 14 September 06 01:01 BST (UK): I get really green with envy every time I read this thread! We haven't had that series here and at the moment it doesn't look as if we will. We do get "Time Team" which I love and "The Worst Jobs in HIstory" which is hysterical whilst being informative. I've been a Tony Robinson fan since the days of "Fat Tulip." I'll have to see if some rellies can get the CD's of WDYTYA for me.
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Post by: Simon G. on Thursday 14 September 06 01:12 BST (UK): Looking forward to seeing this (I taped it, since we had the cricket on). Robert Linday always reminds me of my uncle, especially with the character he portrayed in "My Family". ;D
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Post by: ozchook on Thursday 14 September 06 01:50 BST (UK): Colette, Thank you for the URL. It's now in my Favorites. We don't get this program in Australia unfortunately, though I think someone made reference to it being shown here last year. You lucky Pommies.
Regards, Irene
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Post by: julianb on Thursday 14 September 06 06:58 BST (UK): I thought this was a good programme - while it didn't go far back, it did give a lot of steers for people researching 20th century info. And the material they did cover was very interesting. Spooky stuff at the cemetery!

JULIAN
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Post by: kerryb on Thursday 14 September 06 07:38 BST (UK): I disagree that this programme should have gone further back, sometimes when you find something interesting about someone it is nice to stop and concentrate on finding out about how they lived, the interesting things about their life and what they did. Robert obviously didn't know much about his grandparents and it was obvious he wanted to know so I am glad the programme concentrated more on the social history of a period which effected many family members of us all and less on running around getting census returns to see how far back he could get.

Sorry but that is my opinion!

Kerry :)
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Post by: CarolBurns on Thursday 14 September 06 07:41 BST (UK): I think he may just find outallhe can about his Grandads and then start searching for everyone else

You might even see him on here soon - but under a nickname.

We'll know it's him though as we will know who is looking for now

Carol
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Post by: Shellsbells on Thursday 14 September 06 07:59 BST (UK): Quote from: tazzie on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:18 BST (UK)

  Could this be Uncle Bert.....?

   Herbert Dawson Hallsworth b 18 feb 1919
   d July Q 1988
   age 69 years vol 7 page 907
   Scunthorpe & Barton upon Humber Lincs

   Tazzie


Thats definately the correct birth date - 18 Feb 1919! - I rewound the programme last night (the joys of Sky+) and made a note of it to try and look something up myself this morning! lol

Well done Tazzie! You should get hold of Robert now with the news - well in theory anyway! ;D
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Post by: tazzie on Thursday 14 September 06 08:07 BST (UK): Hi Shellsbells....

I think they know all about him but there are Hallsworths still in the same area so maybe the producers have made contact but the family wanted to keep things quiet. You know what some local rags can be like with following a story they could be chasing them for a story for ages "Actors gran's secret love child" they would all be driven mad.

I hope Robert does make contact with the family and that it all goes well.
I agree got shivers when they said the date whilst looking for Patricia's grave....so sad all those little children.

Tazzie
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Post by: Guy Etchells on Thursday 14 September 06 08:15 BST (UK): Quote from: ozlady on Thursday 14 September 06 01:01 BST (UK)
I get really green with envy every time I read this thread! We haven't had that series here and at the moment it doesn't look as if we will. We do get "Time Team" which I love and "The Worst Jobs in HIstory" which is hysterical whilst being informative. I've been a Tony Robinson fan since the days of "Fat Tulip." I'll have to see if some rellies can get the CD's of WDYTYA for me.

You can get series 2 on DVD from
http://www.bbcshop.com/invt/av9487
It is possible series 1 is available but I haven't looked.
Cheers
Guy
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Post by: suey on Thursday 14 September 06 08:24 BST (UK): Here is the link again for the write up on the programme, a lot more was discovered but not televised.

I agree with Kerry, I think it made a change to concentrate on Grandparents especially as both Grandfathers survived the Great War!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/get_started/wdytya_celeb_gallery_02.shtml
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Post by: Silvilocks on Thursday 14 September 06 08:35 BST (UK): Quote from: suey on Thursday 14 September 06 08:24 BST (UK)

I agree with Kerry, I think it made a change to concentrate on Grandparents especially as both Grandfathers survived the Great War!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/get_started/wdytya_celeb_gallery_02.shtml

I agree too. If they'd try to go further back within a 1 hour programme, the two grandfather's would only have had a brief mention, and I think they deserved more than that. I've also seen it mentioned often enough on Rootschat, that family history is really about learning about our ancestors and their lives, rather than galloping back through the generations, without taking the time to look at any real detail.

On the question of Robert's uncle, isn't it slightly invasive to bombard him with information? It's been pointed out that the BBC has found further information which they chose not to show for whatever reason. I'd imagine it could pose problems if Robert now receives unsolicited information from complete strangers who have been digging around into his ancestry - it could be walking a very line between interest in a public figure and stalking. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh and I don't want to offend anyone, but I do think there's legal implications regarding privacy involved there.

Silvilocks
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Nicky on Thursday 14 September 06 08:47 BST (UK): I agree with Silvilocks, I feel it is intrusive for strangers to dig around regarding Robert's uncle, there are living people involved in this, and they have the right for this to be dealt with in the way they want, not the public.

Illegitimate births caused a lot of heartache and I think this should remain private.

I speak from personal experience within my family.

Nicky
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Old Blue on Thursday 14 September 06 09:11 BST (UK): Well said Silvilocks, let them have their privacy.

If Robert or his family gets unwelcome attention from over-eager family historians, it may well deter other celebreties from participating in the programme in future, or lead the BBC to avoid examples of illegitimacy or bigamy in future episodes.

Like Stephen7, I found it a tad too sentimental - sorry!

Lastly, does the NA really let you get hold of War Diaries like that, gloves provided?

OB
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: tazzie on Thursday 14 September 06 09:26 BST (UK): I agree I would not dream of telling anyone about their own family...please don't think I was snooping....I thought if the death date was given that would be an end, meaning I could find it so could anyone else.

I have been doing a great aunts tree for Christmas for her ...she's always been pro family ie get married have children -in that order- now I've found her grandfather was illegitimate. She's 87 so I dont know what to do. I have her grandma's side back to 1770 but grandad 1860.

Tazzie
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Shellsbells on Thursday 14 September 06 09:42 BST (UK): Quote from: tazzie on Thursday 14 September 06 09:26 BST (UK)

I agree I would not dream of telling anyone about their own family...please don't think I was snooping....I thought if the death date was given that would be an end.

I didnt think for one minute you were snooping Tazzie ... I think some of us just find it interesting that the programme said that because the fathers name was not on the birth certificate that meant the search came to a halt whereas we know research doesnt necessarily have to stop there.

I don't think anyone on this topic has any intentions of getting in touch with Robert Lindseys family or Herberts!! and frankly I feel quite offended that forum members would think that we are that insensitive to do so!

Besides that all, I enjoyed the programme immensley, especially with the WWI background.

Shell
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Guy Etchells on Thursday 14 September 06 09:43 BST (UK): Quote from: Silvilocks on Thursday 14 September 06 08:35 BST (UK)

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh and I don't want to offend anyone, but I do think there's legal implications regarding privacy involved there.

Silvilocks

Whilst agreeing that there may be moral reasons for not delving into his family, I must correct the assumtion that there is a privacy issue.
Here in the UK we have no privacy laws and so there would be no legal implications involved.
Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Silvilocks on Thursday 14 September 06 09:54 BST (UK): Quote from: Shellsbells on Thursday 14 September 06 09:42 BST (UK)
Quote from: tazzie on Thursday 14 September 06 09:26 BST (UK)

I agree I would not dream of telling anyone about their own family...please don't think I was snooping....I thought if the death date was given that would be an end.

I don't think anyone on this topic has any intentions of getting in touch with Robert Lindseys family or Herberts!! and frankly I feel quite offended that forum members would think that we are that insensitive to do so!

Shell

Sorry you're offended Shellsbells. Perhaps you and I have interpreted post 63 differently.

Silvilocks
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 14 September 06 10:00 BST (UK): Yes, another good programme.

I thought it interesting - and a good point for us all to remember - how the 'family stories' , although having a lot of truth in them, could end up misleading if not checked out.
E.g - grandad who 'had his chest blown open' actually had the end of a finger amputated, and shrapnel removed from his leg and pelvis.
Other grandad, who served on the ship Prince of Wales 'had his ship blown up, was rescued , and then the ship hit again'. Research shows it was likely that it was a rowing boat he was on that suffered the shell hit, and then subsequently some sniper fire.

Family stories are great, useful, and interesting - but always need checking out and backing up by fact. In this case it didnt make any of difference to the family tree, but in many cases a bit of exageration or misquoting of information over the years can send us off on completely the wrong track!!!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Shellsbells on Thursday 14 September 06 10:04 BST (UK): Quote from: Silvilocks on Thursday 14 September 06 08:35 BST (UK)

On the question of Robert's uncle, isn't it slightly invasive to bombard him with information? ....

.... I'd imagine it could pose problems if Robert now receives unsolicited information from complete strangers who have been digging around into his ancestry - it could be walking a very line between interest in a public figure and stalking. ....

Silvilocks

Hi Silvilocks

In my opinion, I took the above statments (amongst other replies) as an insinuation that people from this forum (perhaps myself included) were going to be contacting Robert and perhaps his immediate family and spend hours trying to establish his ancestory to the point of obsession!

Myself and Tazzie have simply stated that research doesnt just have to stop where it did with regard to Herbert - this was an example of fact - proven by Tazzie with the possible death information and as far as we are concerned, that was it, our "research" on Robert Lindseys Uncle stopped on our behalf there and then! Not once has anyone stated that they shall be taking this further.

Anyway, back to the topic in hand .... I hope Robert and his family have learnt more and it certainly was a heartfelt journey for all invlolved.

Regards

Shell
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: CarolBurns on Thursday 14 September 06 10:07 BST (UK): Quote from: Guy Etchells on Thursday 14 September 06 09:43 BST (UK)
Quote from: Silvilocks on Thursday 14 September 06 08:35 BST (UK)

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh and I don't want to offend anyone, but I do think there's legal implications regarding privacy involved there.

Silvilocks

Whilst agreeing that there may be moral reasons for not delving into his family, I must correct the assumtion that there is a privacy issue.
Here in the UK we have no privacy laws and so there would be no legal implications involved.
Cheers
Guy

Unfortunately we can now be prosecuted under the Harrasment act if we offend anyone

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,178469.0.html

The above thread shows a letter I found in one of my Family Tree mags last month

Carol
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Shellsbells on Thursday 14 September 06 10:10 BST (UK): Quote from: lizdb on Thursday 14 September 06 10:00 BST (UK)
Yes, another good programme.

I thought it interesting - and a good point for us all to remember - how the 'family stories' , although having a lot of truth in them, could end up misleading if not checked out.
E.g - grandad who 'had his chest blown open' actually had the end of a finger amputated, and shrapnel removed from his leg and pelvis.....

Ha ha .. .how very true! I remember one of my family relatives stating he was deaf because of shellshock received at the Somme .... well we were all in awe of this man and his war stories - until we found out only a couple of years ago that he was and remained a pig farmer for the duration of the war! ;D

Still ... I used to love listening to the old stories when I was a kid - no matter how untrue they might be - especially when you had a power failure and you sit by candle light listening to your parents or grandparents tales ... thats what memories are made of! :D
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: CarolBurns on Thursday 14 September 06 10:19 BST (UK): We had to listen to the story about being related to Johnny Walker (of Whisky fame) and how my Gran's Grandmother had been disowned by her family as her husband was "below" her. There were pictures of the family in the Walker Gallery as well

Everyone in awe until about a year ago I found out that Gran's Grandmother's father was a Clerk for a brewery - Cain's of Liverpool - not Walkers Whisky! The Walker bit came about because Cain's was taken over by Walkers of Warrington. As for the Gallery - well I suppose the family lived near to it.

The bit about her being disowned was also wrong - she ignored them! She was left a fair amount of money when her father died in 1904 but never claimed it - one of her Grandsons did in the 1940's and said it as a Pools win.

Oh yes I love family stories - just trying to sort one out now that I have js=ust remembered - we have a famous Tenor in the family. Funny though that it is my Gran who started that one as well :-\

Carol
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Watermusic on Thursday 14 September 06 10:21 BST (UK): Power failure!

Well, I did manage to see some of the programme! ... but our kitchen roof was finally demolished yesterday at about 6pm. Roof off = rain. It started raining (heavy drizzle) at 6.30.
Started watching at 9.00. Plunged into darkness 9.20. First rain after Summer usually has this effect due to build up of dust on insulators - and a good drizzle seems to ascabarate the problem!

Will have to watch again on Tuesday, BBC2, 7pm.

Watermusic
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: CarolBurns on Thursday 14 September 06 10:25 BST (UK): Oh poor Water music - make sure that roof is fixed by then

Just got rain this morning but still hot and muggy - horrible really

Carol
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Shellsbells on Thursday 14 September 06 10:26 BST (UK): Quote from: CarolBurns on Thursday 14 September 06 10:19 BST (UK)
...
Oh yes I love family stories - just trying to sort one out now that I have js=ust remembered - we have a famous Tenor in the family. Funny though that it is my Gran who started that one as well :-\

Carol

Brilliant! You never know this one might turn out to be true! Does anyone in the family resemble a certain Mr Pavarotti for example! ;)
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: CarolBurns on Thursday 14 September 06 10:35 BST (UK): Not unless he's from the Bangor / Caernarvon area Shells bells lol

Though wouldn't mind finding him related - love his voice

Carol
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Shellsbells on Thursday 14 September 06 10:41 BST (UK): Quote from: CarolBurns on Thursday 14 September 06 10:35 BST (UK)
Not unless he's from the Bangor / Caernarvon area Shells bells lol

Well you know the saying ... every girl in every port .... and they do tour alot! ha ha

Shell
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: CarolBurns on Thursday 14 September 06 10:48 BST (UK): I think he may just be a bit too young to be either one of my Gran's brothers, cousins or nephews to be honest - She was born in 1910 so it will be between 1900 and 1930 say

Carol
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Old Blue on Thursday 14 September 06 11:01 BST (UK): Quote from: Shellsbells on Thursday 14 September 06 10:04 BST (UK)
Not once has anyone stated that they shall be taking this further.

link=topic=182587.msg887490#msg887490 date=1158184947]
Quote from: aspin on Wednesday 13 September 06 22:15 BST (UK)
Maybe Robert should join Rootschat I'm sure someone will find his uncle Bert

I have found some info "Uncle Bert" and have just spent the last 20 mins trying to find a postal address for Robert Lindsay.
I hope the postman is nice around his area, because I can't find an exact address ! :) :) :) :) :) :) But I'm sure it'll get there ;)

Shell

With respect, Silvilocks did point to post 63. And, I'm sure it was well-meaning, we all want to help and share knowledge I'm sure.

I totally agree with you though that no doubt we all felt the research didn't have to stop there.

Regards
OB
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Arranroots on Thursday 14 September 06 11:10 BST (UK): I agree that the stories of the grandfathers were interesting, but felt that the program didn't explain anything at all about how to research military ancestors - a shame, as I would like to make more progress with mine & would have welcomed some tips!

I don't have a problem with the BBC name 'opening doors' for the celebrity researchers, provided some mention is made of how we lesser mortals would manage in the same circumstances.

I think the BBC's decision not to probe Robert's family and their matrimonial difficulties was a good one. There is too much prurient tv these days and no-one can now ascertain what the circumstances were for these folk, so we would be forced to speculate.

While it is true that many of us have found infant deaths in our families, it is a greater shock when they are within living memory. In so many ways we think we have progressed...

I am glad no-one is thinking of contacting Robert directly. I was sure common sense would prevail, although it is exciting to think, however briefly, that we might have found something the Beeb missed!

kind regards, Arranroots ;)
Title: WDYTYA Robert Lindsay
Post by: stonechat on Thursday 14 September 06 11:45 BST (UK): It was a very different show last night - concentrating on his two grandfathers in greater depth.

Not sure I got so much out of it - what is the general opinion?

Bob
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: JustinL on Thursday 14 September 06 11:54 BST (UK): Arranroots - I might be able to offer you some tips on WWI research. Contact me privately.

I suspect that it was Robrt's decision to go no further back than his grandfathers' generation. Maybe it's just a 'male thing', but the thought of what those men experienced at such a tender age is ... unimaginable, and inevitably becomes a major focus of one's research.

I try time and time again to put myself in those mens' shoes (grandfathers, great-uncles and more), imagine what they would have felt, imagine how I would have reacted in the same situation. The words of 'The Green Fields of France' always bring a tear to my eye

'The countless white crosses
that mute witness stand
to man's blind indifference to his fellow man,
to a whole generation that was butchered and damned..'

As Robert said, it's a miracle we're here at all.

Justin
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Arranroots on Thursday 14 September 06 12:02 BST (UK): Thanks, Justin!
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Sylviaann on Thursday 14 September 06 12:26 BST (UK): How did he get those medical records? Can I get to see some? Does anyone know?

Sylviaann
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: LA.Blue on Thursday 14 September 06 12:37 BST (UK): Am I right in thinking that the programmes in the first series were followed by tips for your own research? I also enjoyed the other programme that was on at the same time, was it called "Family Trees" or "Family Ties" ?? I can't remember
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: suey on Thursday 14 September 06 13:08 BST (UK): and I wonder how many Regimental Museums are getting visitors knocking at their doors this morning wanting information on their grandfathers....

Medical records, Regimental diaries but no mention of Medal Cards, anyone any idea why that might have been?

Suey
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Thursday 14 September 06 14:08 BST (UK): A totally different kind of programme to the Barbara Windsor one the previous week. Enjoyed the more focussed feel to it, chasing after as much realistic detail as he/the researchers could find about his two grandfathers in the Great War.
And, Watermusic, hope you're not going to edit your username after the experience with the downpour last night. It was hammering down here like stair-rods in Cambridge, but later on, after the programme had been broadcast...
keith
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Guy Etchells on Thursday 14 September 06 14:42 BST (UK): Quote from: CarolBurns on Thursday 14 September 06 10:07 BST (UK)

Unfortunately we can now be prosecuted under the Harrasment act if we offend anyone

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,178469.0.html

The above thread shows a letter I found in one of my Family Tree mags last month

Carol

I take it you have not actually read the Act.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/1997040.htm

It is not as simple as some make out and the action has to be on at least two occasions.
There is also the get out section 4 which would apply in the case of research into a person's family history.
Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Bill749 on Thursday 14 September 06 14:47 BST (UK): Quote
Lastly, does the NA really let you get hold of War Diaries like that, gloves provided?

They certainly do, OB, and they will let you photograph what you find in them as well if you have a digital camera. I have never been asked to wear white cotton gloves yet, but I'm sure it will come soon.

Regards, Bill
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 14 September 06 14:53 BST (UK): Quote from: Guy Etchells on Thursday 14 September 06 14:42 BST (UK)
Quote from: CarolBurns on Thursday 14 September 06 10:07 BST (UK)

I take it you have not actually read the Act.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/1997040.htm

It is not as simple as some make out and the action has to be on at least two occasions.
There is also the get out section 4 which would apply in the case of research into a person's family history.

It would have to be fairly extreme family history to come anywhere near this legislation! But I don't see how section 4 exonerates anyone on the ground that they're a family historian (?)

Anna
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: RuthieB on Thursday 14 September 06 15:32 BST (UK): Well, it was definitely hankies at the ready for me; my own Grandad (Jim, seen left in Home Guard uniform in WW2) was in Aus when war broke out, joined the Anzacs and served in Gallipoli (we have copies of his papers from the War Memorial in Australia), returning to the UK afterwards

I so envied Robert Lindsay the trip to Gallipoli; I would love to go there someday.

It was a super programme and while they didn't go very far back in time, there was time to focus on different areas that would of interest to family historians.

RuthieB
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Boongie Pam on Thursday 14 September 06 16:03 BST (UK): There are a number of different threads running here that have gone on to different topics, from kitchen roofs to acts of parliament - though vaguely related to the series in question can I draw the attention back to the show.

If any one is unhappy with this please PM me.

I had a degree of "but what about his great grandparents" and the generation before and more...

But you are all absolutely right it was very worthwhile focusing on the war records and therefore the 2 chaps in particular.

Each show tries to cover different types of records and I thought this one did very well with war records.

Pam
;D
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: kerryb on Thursday 14 September 06 16:47 BST (UK): Hi Pam

Do I take this is how this series will be different from the other two. They will focus on one particular type of record. If it is, I have to say it will be an interesting series.

For me doing the two chaps instead of loads, indepth was far more interesting because that is the stage I am at with my own tree now. I keep trying to find those elusive ones, but my main focus is finding out more about how they lived and how it effects who I am today!

Kerry
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Keziahemm on Thursday 14 September 06 16:56 BST (UK): Hi Arranroots

The following BBC link gives more information on researching military records

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/get_started/archives_01.shtml

Susan :)
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: julianb on Thursday 14 September 06 17:17 BST (UK): Susan

Thanks for the link - very helpful.

On reflection, those of us in the UK are very lucky to have a top-notch public service broadcaster who supplies such useful supporting information to broadcasts which are not only entertainment in themselves, but educational too. Well done BBC!

JULIAN
Title: Harrassment ex Who do etc
Post by: Guy Etchells on Thursday 14 September 06 17:59 BST (UK): It would have to be fairly extreme family history to come anywhere near this legislation! But I don't see how section 4 exonerates anyone on the ground that they're a family historian (?)

Anna

Section 4 of the 1997 Act contains paragraph 3(b) his course of conduct was pursued under any enactment or rule of law or to comply with any condition or requirement imposed by any person under any enactment, or...

The various BMD Acts make it legal for anyone to research any others birth, marriage and death details therefore compiling someone's family tree would not entail a course of conduct which amounts to harrassment.
Cheers
Guy

[Please continue discussion of legality on a seperate thread]
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: PaulaToo on Thursday 14 September 06 18:00 BST (UK): Gosh, just managed to get a few minutes before starting tea, and took most of the time reading the thread down.
I found the programme fascinating from start to finish. Oh, I know about family legends all right. grandfather Joe died after falling from a roof, no...he died in an asylum....next?
Used to be quite good with a crystal ball myself, once, an old lady who was a professional taught me back in 195.........well.....so I could understand the creepy coincidence feeling Robert had at the baby aunt's graveside.
When he read his half uncles name I would have laughed, but I was so into the programme I couldn't. All those notches on Eliza's bedpost, and all the children with strange names...Walter HARMSWORTH Moore, Ellen HARMSWORTH Moore, Harriet WEBB Moore. Probably the researchers had contacted Bert's descendants and they didn't want to be involved.
Not into the army stuff, but found it interesting all the same, and it will help a lot of people who are working down those lines.
Yes, I liked the programme very much.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Shellsbells on Thursday 14 September 06 18:01 BST (UK): Quote from: julianb on Thursday 14 September 06 17:17 BST (UK)
Susan

Thanks for the link - very helpful.

On reflection, those of us in the UK are very lucky to have a top-notch public service broadcaster who supplies such useful supporting information to broadcasts which are not only entertainment in themselves, but educational too. Well done BBC!

JULIAN

I agree!

I hope theres a celebrity who wants to research his ancestors Merchant Navy records too and hopefully some useful links will aspire from that too.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Lainys on Thursday 14 September 06 18:29 BST (UK): I enjoyed this one too...with exception to wondering why they didn't go back further :)

Dolly
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Comosus on Thursday 14 September 06 19:38 BST (UK): Quote from: Dollycat on Thursday 14 September 06 18:29 BST (UK)
I enjoyed this one too...with exception to wondering why they didn't go back further :)

Dolly
I think there have been plenty of episodes where they just go back and back using the census. It's nothing new and we all know how to do it - it's a simple search on the computer and the same for the IGI. I think they could have put some time into covering his bigamist ancestors because that hasn't been covered before but this episode was about finding records in WWI, which hasn't been covered much, if at all (from what I remember).

Andrew
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: kerryb on Thursday 14 September 06 19:51 BST (UK): Also I think I am right in saying that WW1 and WW2 are more likely to have effected one of our ancestors than other wars before, so it is probably more relevant to more people.

Kerry
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Boongie Pam on Thursday 14 September 06 19:52 BST (UK): Quote from: Shellsbells on Thursday 14 September 06 18:01 BST (UK)

I hope theres a celebrity who wants to research his ancestors Merchant Navy records too and hopefully some useful links will aspire from that too.

Gosh that would be nice!

In the previous series they did choose people who would give a specific "type" of record so each episode focused on a particular interest.

They definitely went into army and navy records a bit further last night. If only we could all go diving to find the possible wreck our ancestors served on. I hadn't seen modern day pictures from Gallipolli those wee graves looked so sad. Unfortunately my main education (at first) was through the film with Mel Gibson - I've read more since.

Tragic.

On a happier note, I liked the poem he read out in the dialect it made me want to find some writings in the Sligo accent to see just WHAT the enumerator heard when my 4xgreat grandfather said FALLON!

Pam
;D
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Boongie Pam on Thursday 14 September 06 19:53 BST (UK): I thought bigamy was covered with Vic Reeves ancestors?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: LA.Blue on Thursday 14 September 06 21:51 BST (UK): I am hoping they have an episode about researching prior to statutory records. If the person can't be found on OPR's it can be difficult to pin them down
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Old Blue on Friday 15 September 06 09:04 BST (UK): Quote from: Boongie Pam on Thursday 14 September 06 19:53 BST (UK)
I thought bigamy was covered with Vic Reeves ancestors?

Me too
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: bungleberry on Friday 15 September 06 22:35 BST (UK): A few points from previous posts on this thread:

(1) Regardless of legality or otherwise (please bear with me, Madam Moderator) surely the real question is one of decency and consideration for others in a delicate situation.

(2) Yes, SylviaAnn, WW1 records including medical details may be seen at Kew, although some are missing, and many are just indecipherable, so don't raise your hopes too much. Nevertheless Kew is a wonderful place - IMHO the acceptable face of government. (Incidentally, my wife's very unassuming grandfather turned out to have contracted VD during WW1, and to have taken part in a mutiny in 1919!)

(3) Suey, I think the prog gave a misleading impression. An individual soldier's record will not normally be available at a Regimental Museum, unless he was really notable in some way. Also bear in mind that they are often staffed by volunteers or part time folk who just would not have the time to respond to many queries.

(4) Yes, Carol, we've all suffered from family folklore!. And I well remember Walker's bitter (terrible stuff it was too). Surely the connection with the splendid Walker Art Gallery is that it was initially funded by the wealthy brewer?
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: CarolBurns on Saturday 16 September 06 00:23 BST (UK): Thanks Wrinklyone - Now that I didn't know about.

Carol
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: trish251 on Saturday 16 September 06 01:00 BST (UK): Must add my agreement to the other Aussie comments - wish we could see the program here - I do wonder whether the ABC has considered an Australian "copy".

I have a query re the DVD - Guy mentioned
You can get series 2 on DVD from
http://www.bbcshop.com/invt/av9487

Would this be playable in Oz? As far as I know my machine will only play Region 4 DVDs (or is there a multi region option?) - I long for the days of VHS tapes - I could buy them anywhere.

In regard to War records - if anyone has ancestors who served in WWI or WWII with the Australian forces, details can be accessed at www.naa.gov.au

ALL WWI records will be online within 6 months & you can request WWII records be digitised. I have copies of all my families records - some make incredibly sad reading. Almost every family in my extended history lost at least one son in WWI.

Trish
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: stonechat on Saturday 16 September 06 08:13 BST (UK): DVD's can often be tweaked to be multiregional. I found out how when I bought ours

Bob
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: LA.Blue on Saturday 16 September 06 15:45 BST (UK): Quote from: trish251 on Saturday 16 September 06 01:00 BST (UK)
In regard to War records - if anyone has ancestors who served in WWI or WWII with the Australian forces, details can be accessed at www.naa.gov.au

ALL WWI records will be online within 6 months & you can request WWII records be digitised. I have copies of all my families records - some make incredibly sad reading. Almost every family in my extended history lost at least one son in WWI.

Trish

I got some great detail about two chaps in my tree that way but unfortunately they're not my main branch. As you say the detail does make sad reading with one dead and one badly wounded
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 20 September 06 21:06 BST (UK): This sounds like a wonderful telecast.. We don't get it aired here...but you can bet your boots they'll have a duplicate of it in the U.S. or Canada...
Seems to me there is a lot of copycatting from British Programs... ;D so
must be good, huh?
Hope we can get it in reruns...sounds as though it's terrific! Enjoy!
*SIGH* J.J.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: PaulaToo on Wednesday 20 September 06 23:09 BST (UK): Today's one was even more brilliant, JJ. Colin went right back to where his ancestor had been a slave in Jamaica. There were no houses or anything to show, but to see the actual spots was very touching.
All in all, I think this was the best one so far.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 21 September 06 00:45 BST (UK): Oh, sure make me feel even more envious ;) J.J.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Lesanne on Saturday 21 October 06 22:37 BST (UK): I seem to remember someone here had family at Gallipoli. I have just posted on The Common Room a despatch for the 21st August 1915. It might be of interest.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 25 October 06 16:09 BST (UK): What do you know seems we already have something here in Canada...Just began last week... Should be fun...called ancestors in the attic...great name, anyway...Didn't catch the whole thing so will reserve my opinion until after I give it a chance! ;) ;D J.J.
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Simon G. on Wednesday 25 October 06 18:47 BST (UK): Quote from: J.J. on Wednesday 25 October 06 16:09 BST (UK)
ancestors in the attic
I wondered why the floorboards creek when no-one is upstairs...it's those darn ancestors in the attic again looking for my whiskey. ::) :P
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Brian & Berni on Monday 30 October 06 10:58 GMT (UK): http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,193210.0.html
Title: Re: Who Do You Think You Are (III) #2: Robert Lindsay
Post by: Sasha on Tuesday 21 November 06 14:40 GMT (UK): I've just been browsing on the 'Family Roots' section of the Scunthorpe Evening Telegraph website and noticed this article about the descendants of 'Uncle Bert'.

http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=152553&command=displayContent&sourceNode=209290&contentPK=15805188&folderPk=97326&pNodeId=207022

Jo.

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