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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: DelB on Wednesday 13 September 06 00:51 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone,
I have found one of my relatives, John Binns in the 1861 census as a scholar at the Blue Book School, Christ Hospital, Lincoln.
Can anyone tell me anything about the school please? There are both boys and girls names on the list of scholars.
Thanks,
DelB
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Hi DelB
There is a Lincoln Christ's Hospital School in Lincoln still there today. I don't know if its the one you are looking for. But this is a link to the school website.
http://www.christs-hospital.lincs.sch.uk/
ricky
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Hi Ricky,
Thanks for that prompt reply.
How interesting that the school still exists but in such a different format (I imagine).
My relative had lost his mother and his father had remarried so I guess this would have been a boarding school at that time (1861).
Thanks for your help!
DelB
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Hi DelB,
You might be interested to know that LFHS have published a booklet which lists the admissions to this school between 1832 and 1879.
According to a mention on Genuki regarding the school, the information contained in the book is:
Surname, forename, parish of origin, date admitted, date of baptism, date apprenticed or left, master's name, occupation and "other information". Might be worth a look?
http://www.genfair.com/shop/pages/lin/page52.html
Jo. :)
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You may find a bit more here:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/sidocs.asp?SIR=O34006
:)
Old Blue
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The website that Ricky found is for the school which was brought about by an amalgamation of the Lincoln School and the Christ's Hospital Girls High School (perhaps about 1970) and is on the site of the Lincoln School. The Girls' School was probably built around 1900 and must have taken the name of the earlier school. In the days of my childhood, Lincoln Museum had a display of stuff relating to the Blue Coat School (for that was its name).
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Thanks everyone for that wonderful information.
Nothing like local knowledge to fill in gaps, and from Australia I really appreciate that.
The Lincolnshire Archives provide a great service in searching out information for people who can't get to the centre. I have just used it for another family branch and received excellent results.
I will follow up the LFHS booklet too.
Thanks again,
DelB
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info that I got from the LFHS.
Christ’s Hospital School, Lincoln
Many of us, seeing evidence that ancestors before 1870 had at least some education, wonder how we can find out how it was received. For instance, Robert Drury was the son of an agricultural labourer who went to live in Welton by Lincoln with a settlement certificate in 1791, a few years before Robert was born. My grandfather said his great uncle Robert was a master at Lincoln Grammar School, which was proved true. How did he achieve this? He had the good fortune to live in Welton, and be one of the poor boys to be admitted free into Christ’s Hospital School in Lincoln.
The Christ’s Hospital School in Lincoln (also known as the Bluecoat School) was founded by Richard Smith MD, who was born at Welton by Lincoln. After a career which took him to Oxford and London, he returned, and was buried at Welton in 1602. A large Cross in front of Welton parish church is a memorial to him. In his will he left his Estate at Potterhanworth to endow a school for 12 poor boys. The value of the Estate increased with fen drainage, and other endowments were made, so that the school expanded. Minute books (which include admissions) survive from 1653 to 1883, when the school closed and the endowments were used to found The Christ’s Hospital Girls’ High School in 1892. Admission was limited to poor boys from Welton, Potterhanworth and Lincoln City and when a boy left he was replaced by another boy from the same parish.1
There is only one specific admissions book, from 1832 to 1879, which has been transcribed and published by the Lincolnshire Family History Society this year.
Entries comprise the date of admission (usually, but not always, at the age of 8 years), date of baptism, date of apprenticeship where appropriate, or of leaving, and in a few cases a date when they died, were expelled or they left to emigrate with their parents. Apprenticeships to trades were bought for most boys usually at the age of 16, and the name, trade and address of masters is shown. Many boys were apprenticed out of the county, several in North Yorkshire, and many to Lincolnshire villages. It is interesting to see such masters’ names as RUSTON, ROBEY, CLAYTON and SHUTTLEWORTH as the great engineering firms began to forge their way into the history of Lincoln.
During this period the school was situated on Christ’s Hospital Terrace, near the church of St Michael on the Mount, Lincoln. The premises, which still stand, were built by the ‘Hospital’ in the 1780s. Reminiscences of W H GOY, who was a pupil there in the 1870s were published in the 1930s2. He states that they were well fed and clothed and very healthy and happy. The education was quite sufficient to enable a boy to take up almost any situation in life. The daily routine was – ‘rise at 6.30 a.m. in summer, 7 a.m. in winter; breakfast at 8 a.m.; school 9 to 12; then dinner; school 2 o’clock to 4.30; tea 5 p.m. and the remainder of the day, games in the playground’. Bedtime was 8 p.m., sleeping in dormitories. Each week boys were allocated duties, such as helping to make the bread (a master baker coming in each day), running errands, serving at meals, etc. A barber called regularly and a tailoress repaired their clothes.
The minute books prior to 1832 are not included in the published booklet. They cover various items of business, and below are some examples.
The name, place of origin (and often father’s name) of boy admitted, the name of the master to whom he was apprenticed and the amount paid for the apprenticeship. Often also the cost of kitting him out: ‘(1681) Paid to Francis BARNABY, Baker, with John BEMROSE £4; for cloth for John BEMROSE new coat & britches, to Mr KENT 7s 6d; for trimming for the coate and britches 2s 6¼d; for stuff for wastcoate for BEMROSE & trimming for it 4s 2½d; for altering the blew coat into a dublett & breeches 1s, to the taylor for making of 2 coates and 2 payres of britches 5s; for new hat 2s 3d, for a bible 4s.’
Transport was arranged when necessary. In 1678 when Eliazar GLENN was apprenticed to Mr John BROWNE Merchant of Boston, £1 2s was paid for his ‘carrying to Boston’.
The school obviously went through some difficult periods. In 1671 John CUSSIN absconded and his mother, Elizabeth, ‘did furriously strike the messenger that was sente to bring her sonne back to the Hospital’. CUSSIN was expelled!
Some deaths are recorded; in 1697, ‘Charges for MAPLETOFT’S funeral 12s 2d.’
The boys were educated for a trade, and Latin was not taught, but apt pupils were able to go to the Grammar School. ‘Edward WILLSON... being one of the BURROWES [sic]3 Chanters in the Minster...’ was permitted to go daily to the Grammar School as the other Chanters did (1681).
Administration expenses appear throughout. The clerk had a new penknife regularly, no doubt to cut and trim his quill.
Also included is the management of the Potterhanworth Estate, tenancy changes, rents received and payments for repairs etc., and, later, of Frampton when it was added to the Endowment.
1. For a history of the Foundation see Richard SMITH M D , The Founder of Christ’s Hospital, Lincoln by Kate NAYLOR (1951)
2. Lincolnshire Magazine Vol. 3. (which also has another article about the school)
3. Actually BURGHERSH Chanters, the title given to all but the four senior boys in Lincoln Cathedral Choir
Penny - more info to follow
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My Great Grandfather Ellerby Cox was also listed as a pupil on the 1881 census. The original Blue Coat school was on Christs Hospital Terrace (pic attached), and the google map link is
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&q=christ+hospital+terrace+lincoln&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x48785b3ca3408e05:0xc933601cb874682c,Christ's+Hospital+Terrace,+Lincoln+LN2+1LY&gl=uk&ei=axaCUrG6JsHJhAeXsIHoAg&ved=0CC4Q8gEwAA
this site closed in 1883 and a new girls grammar school built on Lindum Road (I was a pupil 1960 - 65). The boys grammar school was on Wragby Road. The girls and boys grammars amalgamated in I believe 1974 and the girls moved to the Wragby Road building http://www.christs-hospital.lincs.sch.uk/joomla15/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=943:lincoln-christs-hospital-school-the-origin-of-the-name&catid=55:lchs-archive&Itemid=250
I hope this helps and if you're ever in the UK you MUST visit Lincoln its beautiful
Penny
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Thanks for that wealth of information about the school. The John Binns in my family went on to become a stone mason according to the successive census reports. His father was also a stone mason and his uncle a builder.
Cheers, DelB
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wonder if he went on to work on the cathedral as a stonemason work there is always on going. The school is right by the cathedral
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this will give you some info. My Great Grandad Ellerby Cox was a pupil at the Blue Coat School in the 1881 census http://www.christs-hospital.lincs.sch.uk/joomla15/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=943:lincoln-christs-hospital-school-the-origin-of-the-name&catid=55:lchs-archive&Itemid=250 the old building in Lindum Terrace is still there although not now the Christs Hospital School that was on Lindum Road (I went there) the n the girls school was amalgamated with the boys grammar school on Wragby Rd