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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Worcestershire => England => Worcestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: nettex on Tuesday 12 September 06 22:27 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone. My Grand parents lived in the Worcester Village of Cotheridge in the early 1900s 1915 for certain. thier address was Howden or Howsden Cottages. I have learned that these Cottages have been demolished, but at the time they were nicknamed the Ink Pots. Some one suggested to me that as the local farms were hopp growers in the 19th centuary they may have been converted oust houses as the hopp growing declined. I would be very greatful if some one knew that was the case. Or if any one has any information about Cotheridge or the Hamlet of Howden/ Howsden.
Thanks Nettex
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Hello Nettex,
Cotheridge is a small village about 3 miles west of Worcester and Howsen is a row of houses down a lane about 1/2 mile from Cotheridge Church. Howsen, which is shown on the map as Upper and Lower Howsen, probably grew up as a settlement around a farm. There is still some hop growing in the area, which remains very agricultural. However as so few people now work on the land , a lot of the old cottages have been "gentrified".
I live quite near , so next time I'm passing I' ll have a closer look.
Hope this is some help
Carom
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Hello Carom and thaks for your reply. I was begining to give up. As i stated my grandparents lived there in the early 1900s and my father was born there in 1915. How they came to be there is a complete mystery.On the 1901 census they are living in Walsall before moving from Birmingham and prior to that they are in Manchester, and by about 1925 or so they are back in Birmingham. On all the censuses were he can be found my Grandfather worked in heavy industry. Yet for that short period he worked in a small hamlet as a farm hand. I would love to know how this came about. I would be greatful for any other information you could let me have about Cotheridge.
Regards Nettex
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Just to add, the address on my fathers birh cert is 229 Howden Cottages wich gives the impression of rather a lot of cottages.
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Hi I have recently joined this site and read your post about the Ink Pots at Cotheridge, I have lived in and around Cotheridge all my life. My father (86) can remember them from when he was 17/18 years old.
My maternal grandmother told us how she lived in one of the ink pots and slept in the other!! As far as I can judge from her ansestory records this must of been after her youngest sisters birth in 1915 Bromyard and her marriage in 1929. Her marriage certificate just states Cotheridge. Great- grandma later lived 50 yards away from here on the Bromyard road in a house in which her granddaughters husband still lives.
Dad says from his recall they could of once been hop oast houses from there shape and size. All the local land was hop yard.
In those times people from the Birmingham Walsall and Dudley used to spend 6-8 weeks holidays hop picking in this area, this may be why your father was born in this area.
The road/ drive which separated the Ink pots was the half mile long trake edged in Lime trees that lead past st Lenards church to Cotheridge Court, therefore they could of been lodge houses to the grand court house.
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HI Bev666 thanks for your reply. I would be very greatful if you could let me have any more infomation that you may have about Cotheridge or the ink pots. Regards Nettx.
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Hi Nettex,
I lived at Upper Howsen Farm from 1928-1951. My father owned the farm. He bought it when the Berkley Estate was disbanded (Cotheridge Court was part of the Berkley Estate - in fact it was their main residence). My father died in 1960 & the farm was sold.
The avenue & the ink pots belonged to my father as they were on the farm.
I can confirm that Bev666 has surmised correctly, the ink pots were originally lodge houses located either side of massive wrought iron gates to Cotheridge Court.
I can also confirm that their use was that one was to live in and the other to sleep in.
When the farm was sold, the avenue of trees was, tragically, felled & the ink pots fell into disrepair.
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Hi johodges,
Thanks for your reply. Pinpointing where the "ink pots " were has helped me get a mental picture about them.
Do you know how many there were? I have wondered if Bev666 family moved in when mine moved out.
There is a record in ST Leonards Church stating the death of there son William Rowles in 1925.that along with my fathers birth in1915 is the only two dates I have to link them to Cotheridge.
Do you know the name Drinkwater from that area?
Once again thank you for your help
Regards Nettex
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Hi Nettex,
I'm afraid I have no recollection of the name Drinkwater from my time at Cotheridge.
I confirm there were only two inkpots.
Good luck with your search.
Jo
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Thank you Jo its been a long hard journey, but I'm getting there.
Rob.
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Hi Rob
Just did a search on Ink Pots Cotheridge and came up with this! Unfortunately I lost touch with you a few years ago and have changed my e-mail address. Would like to catch up on the Rowles family. Incidentally Amelia always told Linda and I consistent stories about the Ink Pots but I could never verify it locally, well done!
Cheers
Les
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The ink pots you refer to were saved from demolition they were dismantled And rebuilt at the end of Worcester Bridge Where they remained till around 1934 when they widened the bridge I have a photo of them. I remember reading about them in a pamphlet written by a local historian called gwillam when I moved to Worcester in 1979
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That explains a lot! Any chance of posting the photo? It would be brilliant as I have looked through loads of books etc and failed to find anything.
Cheers
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I will just as soon as I can figure out how to do it on my iPad
If not try contacting me on WhatsApp or fb
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Over the years I have built up a picture of how cotheridge would have looked in the early 1900s, with a lot of help from members of this forum, recently I have received a copy of a wedding certificate of a family wedding in cotheridge in 1915 between Annie Williams and James Pressdee Drinkwater. Unfortunately the addresses of both the bride and groom are indecipherable, ive checked the local maps I have to compare road names there are quite a few roads that are unnamed on the maps I wondered if any one local could add a few street names around cotheride so I could compare them with the one's on the wedding cert. The names I know are
CHURCH LANE
COURT LANE
LIGHTWOOD LANE
OTHERTON LANE
Thanks in advance nettex.
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Court Lane, Otherton Lane (move to the east) and Church Lane are shown on this map https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=16&lat=52.18914&lon=-2.31116&layers=102&b=1&z=0&point=52.18513,-2.29801 . I think Lightwood Lane is north of the A44 - Will have look
Kay
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This is Lightwood Lane https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=15.80401471396667&lat=52.19608&lon=-2.30159&layers=102&b=1&z=0&point=52.18513,-2.29801
Kay
Should have mentioned famous for the Lightwood Cheese https://lightwoodcheese.co.uk/location-2/
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Hi Kay99, thank you for your reply. The map you sent me shows Howsen do you know the name of the road that leads there from the A44, or the names of any other unmarked roads.
Thanks again ,nettex.
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The background modern maps show the road names - sadly only Howson and Otherton are shown on the old maps Tried to attach a screen shot but there is no facilty to do so on this board
Kay
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Otherton Lane is east of Howson Lane serving Otherton Farm
Church Lane is the section on the lane at Cotheridge leading south off the A44 past the Chiurch to Cotheridge Court and it becomes Court Lane after it passed Cotheridge Court
Lightwood Lane is on the northern side of the A44 to the east of Cotheridge and serves Lightwood Farms https://maps.nls.uk/view/101586487#zoom=3&lat=3262&lon=3913&layers=BT
Kay
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Remembered these maps from my former work https://gis.worcestershire.gov.uk/website/WccGISOnline/ You have to zoom in on Cotheridge - Use the controls in the right hand top corner - but they do show the lanes
Kay
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Once again thank you K99 the map showing Howsen also points out Howsen cottage, an address I now have confirmed.