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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: greendoor on Monday 11 September 06 16:09 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to trace back my grandmother Marjory Doherty I have her married to toby Wilders in Campbelltown 1908 but have her in glasgow Stirling road to give birth to my mum 1934 who's name was Costance Doherty (or better known as Jean lennox)
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do you know where marjory was born?
thanks
Oisín
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Hi Oisin
I since found out a little bit more about my grandmother Marjory her maiden name was McGuire and Doherty was her mothers maiden name ,Marjory was born in Scotland (Saltcoats)and her mother was from somewhere in Ireland
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Hi Greendoor
The only birth of a Marjory McGuire in Ayrshire in the right time frame was in 1886 in Stevenston Ayrshire but earlier children look to have been born in Saltcoats. The only census entry I can see for 1891, has the mother Margaret born in Glasgow with father from Ireland:
James McGuire 45, dock labourer, b. Ireland
Margaret McGuire 40, b. Glasgow
Annie McGuire 14, b. Saltcoats
Mary McGuire 12, b. Saltcoats
Patrick McGuire 8, b. Saltcoats
Marjory McGuire 5, b. Stevenston
Margaret McGuire 3, b. Stevenston
James Lang 60, lodger
Patrick McGowan 45, lodger
Address: 33 Green St, Old Ardrossan
Also, I cannot see a marriage entry coming up on Scotlands People for a Marjory McGuire (with the use of wildcards for spelling variations). What is your source for the 1908 marriage?
Regards.
Monica
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By 1901, it looks like Marjory (spelt Margory) was already working away from home. There is a 14 yr old Margory McGuire working as a domestic servant in the Baillie household in Blantyre, Lanarkshire.
Monica :)
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There is a possible marriage entry coming up on SP for her parents:
1882 MCGUIRE JAMES DOCHERTY MARGARET ARDROSSAN OLD /AYR 576/01 0040
It would mean that father James could have been married previously to account for the older children in the home in the 1891 Census. It would be worthwhile you looking at Marjory's birth cert. to confirm parents' names and date/place of their marriage. Alternatively, you could try to find her marriage or death cert, both which would confirm parents' names.
Regards.
Monica
ADDED: Just a thought, with the years you have given in your first post, Marjory would have been 48-9 at the time of your mother's birth (1934), quite an age to still be giving birth.....any chance we have skipped out a generation here?
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Hi Monica
This is my grandmothers family and thanks for the information about Marjory in 1901 as I didn't know that .Marjory seem to have taken her mothers maiden name (Doherty) when she married in 1908 and gave it to my mother.I have Marjory marrying again in Springburn 1915 to a James Burns so once again she changed her surname
Thanks for the time and effort
Marie
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Hi Monica
I have wondered myself about her age at time of my mums birth but can't find any siblings
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It's going to be hard for you to be definite about anything I think. Marjory seems to have chopped and changed names, it may simply be that she didn't remember. So what do we have:
~ A birth entry in 1886 in Stevenston for a Marjory McGuire, parents James, a dock labourer b. Ireland, and Margaret Docherty b. Glasgow. We also have the family in 1891 with some reference to Saltcoats which ties up with you have heard.
~ Likely death in 1894 of mother Margaret Docherty (husband James, quarryman).
~ A possible entry for a Marjory McGuire in Blantyre age 14 working away from home as a domestic servant.
~ The 1908 MC for a Marjory Docherty to a Toby Wilders, both show-people in Campbeltown. Marjory downs as age 22 (b. 1886 which matches what we have) however she has put parents down as Patrick Docherty, packman and Margaret MS McGuire, both deceased.
~ The 1915 MC for a Marjory Docherty to a James Burns shows her as a spinster and age 28 ( birth year c. 1888), parents John Docherty, quarryman and Marjory McGuire (MS), both deceased.
~ I can't see a death for her under Docherty/Burns. Have you managed to find a death cert for her although going by her previous records, you will probably find differing info on it as well.
Regards.
Monica :)
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Sorry, I meant to add. Margaret Docherty's (wife of James McGuire) mother name was Marjory which make me more confident that, at least in the early years, we have the right details for your Marjory.
Monica
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To take away all doubt, have you seen your mother's 1934 birth cert to confirm parents' names?
Monica
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Joker found most of that info for me and informed me Marjory died 1970, her name is the only one on my mums birth and death cert.
Many thanks for your help now have to figure out why and when my mums name got changed from Constance Doherty to Jean Lennox and why she gave her away
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There is a possible marriage entry coming up on SP for her parents:
1882 MCGUIRE JAMES DOCHERTY MARGARET ARDROSSAN OLD /AYR 576/01 0040
It would mean that father James could have been married previously to account for the older children in the home in the 1891 Census. It would be worthwhile you looking at Marjory's birth cert. to confirm parents' names and date/place of their marriage. Alternatively, you could try to find her marriage or death cert, both which would confirm parents' names.
Regards.
Monica
ADDED: Just a thought, with the years you have given in your first post, Marjory would have been 48-9 at the time of your mother's birth (1934), quite an age to still be giving birth.....any chance we have skipped out a generation here?
Hi greendoor and Monica,
I wondered about the length of time that elapsed between the date of Marjorie's marriage to Toby in 1908 and the birth of greendoor's mum in 1934.
I feel there should be other children and wonder if greendoor has been following the line of more than one person. Marjorie's age ... 48 or 49 ... may not have been uncommon if she'd had a large number of children but would have been on the old side for a first child.
Christopher
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Joker found most of that info for me and informed me Marjory died 1970, her name is the only one on my mums birth and death cert.
Many thanks for your help now have to figure out why and when my mums name got changed from Constance Doherty to Jean Lennox and why she gave her away
I think that it was Marjory’s daughter who was also called Marjory (born 1914) who is your mum.
Marjory (1886) was my wife’s grandmother.
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Hey I'd be more than happy to give you what info I have.
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I am happy to see what you have and likewise I can share with you what I have. I am not the best at technology!! 😂
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Monica
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Hi Monical
I known you helped Greendoor a good few years ago with their search for Marjory Doherty/McGuire/Wilders/Burns.
I have found out quite a few facts about her as she was my wife's grandmother.
I know this was first posted in 2006.I had messaged Greendoor but not too sure if she is still active on here or still living.
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Greendoor was last online here on RC on 13 March 20 (this info is on her profile).
Always hard to guess why someone doesn't post back on their threads when there has been a new post. Sometimes it is as simple as they have simply changed their email and therefore do not receive the notification of the new post here :-\
Monica
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Greendoor was last online here on RC on 13 March 20 (this info is on her profile).
Always hard to guess why someone doesn't post back on their threads when there has been a new post. Sometimes it is as simple as they have simply changed their email and therefore do not receive the notification of the new post here :-\
Monica
Thanks very much for your reply.
I am quite new to this and didn’t quite know about profiles! 😳
I might have be able to clarify some things about Marjory for her.
Thanks again.