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Hi,
Can anyone out there help me.I am trying to find any relatives of these people.I have them on the 1881 census.
Robert Jones 48 Liverpool.Cotton porter
Hannah Jones 41 Wife
Children are
Edward 17
Robert 9
Joseph 6
Jane 4 (my grandma)
Thomas Finch 75 I guess my Gr.granddad.
They are living in
4 court 1Ho Cazenue st Liverpool
If anyone has these people in their tree please get in touch.
Or if anyone can add to this i would really appreciate it.
CHEERS KIDSNANA
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Hi Kidsnana
I have Liverpool Jones but not these :(
I think I have them for you in 1871
RG10/3791 folio 71 pg 3
9 Ct 1 House Ben Johnson Street, Islington, Liverpool
Robert Jones; head; mar; 40; ropemaker
Hannah do; wife; mar; 31
Thomas do; son; 9; scholar
Edward do; son; 7; scholar
John H do; son; 1
All born Liverpool
Also in the house is John Miller; brother; unm; 20; labourer; Liverpool
Why his name is Miller is a good question ???
Regards
SandraC
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FOUND THE SAME FAMILY AS SANDRA, BUT SHE POSTED QUICKER!
1871:
RG10/3791; Folio 71; Page 43
9 Crt 1H Ben Johnson St, Liverpool
Robert Jones - Head - 40 - Rope Maker - b. Liverpool
Hannah Jones - Wife - 31 - b. Liverpool
Thomas Jones - Son - 9 - Scholar - b. Liverpool
Edward Jones - Son - 7 - Scholar - b. Liverpool
John H Jones - Son - 1 - b. Liverpool
John Miller - Brother - 20 - Labourer - b. Liverpool
If this is the same family (Edward's age fits), there's a marriage on Free BMD, confirmed by Lancashire BMD:
Marriages Jun 1861
JONES Robert
MILLER Hannah
Liverpool 8b 261
However, that doesn't fit very well with Thomas Finch, father-in-law, unless f-in-law is used in the old sense of "stepfather"...? Will see if I can find a better match... ???
Rambler
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Hi I think this is them in 1891:
RG12 Piece 2966 Folio 63 Page 14
46 Reading Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool
Robert Jones Head 60 General Labourer b. Liverpool
Ann Jones Wife 52 b. Liverpool
Joseph Jones Son Single 17 General Labourer b. Liverpool
Jane Jones Daur 15 b. Liverpool
Joanne :)
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Hi again
I reckon that Finch is a slight red herring with regards as to whether or not he is Hannah's father. If you take the 1871 census info from Rambler it gives a brother, John Miller aged 20 living them. Suppose that it should have said brother in law and not brother, making Hannah a Miller before her marriage; re the marriage that Rambler also found.
If this is correct then here they are in 1861:
RG09 Piece 2668 Folio 58 Page 20
5 Court Denison Street, Liverpool.
Thomas Miller Head 45 Boatman b. Layton, Lancashire
Jane Miller Wife 50 Boatman's Wife b. Ireland
Hannah Miller Daur. Unmarried 21 b. Liverpool
John Miller Son 10 Scholar b. Liverpool
From the IGI:
Thomas Jones b. 30 Jan 1862 c. 9 Mar 1862 St. Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire
Parents= Robert Jones and Hannah
Sibling:
Edward Jones b. 24 Jan 1864 c. 14 Feb 1864 St. Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire
These may also belong to this family too:
Isabella Jones b. 10 Aug 1863 c. 18 Jul 1864 St. Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire to Robert Jones and Ann.
Robert John Jones b. 9 Dec 1862 c. 27 Jan 1863 St. Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire to Robert Jones and Ann.
Robert Bertram Jones b. 9 Oct 1862 c. 12 Feb 1863 St Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire to Robert Jones and Anna.
I'll see what else I can find for you.
Joanne ;)
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Hi
The 1861 that Joanne has found [well done ;)] I have same family in 1851
HO 107/2177 folio 478 pg 17
59 ?? St, St Martin's Liverpool
Thomas Miller; head; mar; 35; mariner; Leyton with Warbrick
Jane do; wife; mar; 40; Leyton with Warbrick
Hannah do; dau; 11; Liverpool
John do; son; 7 or 1 mo; Liverpool
I'll have another go at the street name!
SandraC
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Could be Hornby or Hamby Street ???
SandraC
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Miller in 1841
HO 107/562/9 folio 48 pg 17
Finney Lane, Liverpool St Thomas'
Thomas Miller; 25; mariner
Jean do; 25
Hannah do; 1 1/2
All born in county - ages of adults rounded down to nearest 5
Regards
SandraC
PS is it me, or is he at home a lot for a mariner ;D
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IGI has:
Hannah Miller daughter of Thomas Miller & Jane
baptised St Peter's Liverpool on 28/10/1839
Also possible :-\
Thomas Miller & Jane Fulton
marriage at St Nicholas, Liverpool on 4/2/1839
No Finch anywhere in sight ???
Regards
SandraC
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I've been looking everywhere for Thomas Finch - no joy whatsoever.. :(
There's a possible candidate in 1841 (a plumber & glazier) with wife Ann and 5 kids, but no child to match Robert Jones, so no proof it's the right guy.
I'm reasonably sure the Miller connection is the right one, but don't like loose ends! (Plus I have a Finch connection in Lancashire, although mine is Manchester, not Wigan.)
Rambler
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Back again
No news on Finch but .. .. ..
1861 census, RG 9/2395 folio 25 pg 44
9 Ct 1 House Ben Johnson Street, Islington, Liverpool
John Jones; head; mar; ropemaker
Jane do; wife; 61
Robert do; son; unm; 35; dock labourer
Edward do; son; unm; 25; twine spinner
Jane do; dau; unm; 19
Hellen Smith; visitor; 3
All born Liverpool
Also, next door
Catherine Jones; serv; 17; domestic servant; Liverpool
Seems a bit of a coincidence to have the same address & the rope making connection ;D
Would need checking with a lookup on the marriage of Robert & Hannah.
Regards
SandraC
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Hi Sandra C Manchester Rambler and Black Pearl,
Talk about SHOCK AND AWE !!!!!!!!.I am absolutely speechless,and anyone that knows me will find that hard to believe.LOL You have just found a whole family for me.i cant take it all in it is just to much.I only ever knew my grandma Jane,and a few of my mothers sisters.It was as though no one else existed.I will spend a couple of hours taking this all in and then decide the next step.I am just so thrilled,i don't know how to thank you.
best wishes to you Joyce Kidsnana
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Hi Kids Nana,
Am new to this research but am interested in your Robert & Hannah Jones.
My great grandfather on my Mum's side was Joseph Jones b 1874, the son of Robert Jones & Hannah Finch. Am actually stuck as only info on the Finch side is that Hannah's dad was Thomas and lived with the family in Cazneau Street in 1881 ( born Wigan).
And as for the Jones's...... so many in the Liverpool area and not sure of their original place of birth.
I would welcome any more info you may have.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
So nice to hear from you but unfortunately I never did find anything about the Finch connection.My Hannah was definitely a Miller I have their marriage cert.Please keep in touch and let me know what you find things are not always what they seem they kept a lot of secrets and told a lot of untruths in the day.Good luck and let me know what you find out.
Best wishes and Merry Christmas,Joyce
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Hi there hoping someone my see this im working on my family tree so did my dna to help withe the jones name and the name finch and miĺler has popped up . Please get intouch x