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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: E. HOEY on Friday 05 November 04 10:09 GMT (UK)
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Hello my name is Eddy,
Can anyone help.My ggf Edward Jackman, came over to Liverpool in the late 1870s,with his wife Mary (nee) Byrne. Have his marriage cert, he was married in the catholic church of St Michael's Gorey Wexford,in 1875, he was 23, born circa 1852.I am wondering if he may have been baptised there as well. I know he had two brother's James,born C 1850, and Thomas, born C 1855, they also came over to Liverpool.Their father's name was Nicholas,(occ) shoemaker. Is there anyone who could please look up St Michael's, church records for me.
Does anyone have access to the 1901 census for Wexford who could possibly look the Jackman family for me.Or any kind of information would be gratefully appreciated.
Yours sincerely E.Hoey
Walton Liverpool
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Hi,
Part of the wexford 1901 census is available online on the leitrim rosscommon website
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/index.shtml
Hope this helps
Kate
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1901 census..
Jackman Patrick head aged 29 R.C. Shoemaker
'' Catherine wife '' 27 '' Housewife
'' Nicholas son 3
'' Michael son 1
Hope this helps.
guaire
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Hi
I have just noticed this. I have connections with this family (having spent a couple of days with one of the branches this week ;) ) One of my Jackman cousins-in-law is doing a history of the family. If you send me details via a PM, I might be able to help.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget.
Sorry for the delay in replying.
I cannot embellish on what I have already stated
I have been in touch with St Michaels (Gorey) but
have not been replied to. Pity.
Thank you for replying Gadget.
I may get the break through I am looking
for one day.
Yours respectfully
Eddy.
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Eddy
I'm sure those names ring a bell.
Now do you know where Gorey is? I'm sure my cousins took me to the church there when I was over.
I must check - I'll e-mail them to find out about it.
Gadget
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Eddy
Please PM me with your e-mail, I'll then get in touch with my cousins. They have info on all the Jackmans in that part of the world and might be able to help.
You might even be a distant cousin of mine ;D
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
Gorey is in County Wexford
Boy that was a quick reply. Ha Ha
Any kind of info on the Jackman family
would be great.
Cheers Gadget
Eddy
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Yes, Eddy but Wexford's kind of a big county and I can't find Gorey on my pretty decent map of that area and it is quite important to know.
Do let me have your e-mail via a PM.
Gadget
You won't believe this - went to send an e-mail to my cousin and there was one from her asking about our side of the family - weird or coincidence ???
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Hi Eddy
Heard from my cousin :)
Thet think they know of descendants who still live in the area. I'll get back to you as soon as Ihave more info.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
I have emailed you privately,but don't know if
it got through.
Anyway I look forward to you replying to me soon
and hope that they are related to me.
As you say we might be related to.
Cheers Gadget
Eddy
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I'll let you know as soon as I hear the full details - don't worry about that. The Jackman's are in-laws of mine really - my cousin married into the family.
Apparently, they originated in Scotland many years ago. There are many half forgotten stories about the Dukes(?) of Leinster and land that I am trying to grasp for.
I'll be in touch.
Gadget :)
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Hi Gadget
Thank you for your reply.
I shall await your information.
Cheers Gadget.
Eddy.
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Gadget,
I have done a lot of research into my Jackmans (also known as Chapmans) in the south of Co. Wexford and would love to correspond with your relatives so we can be of help to each other.
Can this be arranged?
Eileen
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Gadget,
Is it possible to make contact with your Jackman cousins yet?
Eileen
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From 'The Wexford War Dead' to be published in NOvember;
JACKMAN, JAMES. Rank: Rifleman. Regiment or Service: Rifle Brigade. Unit; 16th Bn. Date of Death: 03-September-1916. Service No: S/14487. Born in Wexford, Co Wexford. Enlisted in Bargoed, Glam while living in Clohamon, Co Wexford. Killed in Action. Grave or Memorial Reference: He has no known grave but is listed on Pier and Face 16B and 16C on the Thiepval Memorial in France.
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I am looking for any information on the Jackman family from Gorey in Wexford.
Thomas Jackman is MY G/G Grandfather B 1857 Wife Georgina his brother is a Edward Jackman B 1853 married a Mary Byrne? B 1856
Would be grateful of any info on them or how to find there birth records in Ireland.
God Bless Monica Jackman-Jones
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1881 census Liverpool, Mount Pleaseant, District 9
Jackman Edward; head, 28, labour in Sugar, Gorey
Mary; wife, 25, Gorey
Nicholas; son, 4, Liverpool
Margaret Ann; dtr, Liverpool
Thomas; bro, 26, labour in Sugar, Gorey
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1881 census Surrey Farnham District 9
Jackman John; head, 40, tailor master, Wexford
Esther; wife, 33, Surrey
Henry J; son, 12, Surrey
Emily; dtr, 7, Surrey
Gertrude; dtr, 5, Surrey
Frank; son, 2, Surrey
Samuel J; son 1, Surrey
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Warrington, District 4
Jackman Ellen; servant, 13, Wexford;
(Pike family)
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Jackman James; Rifle Brigade, 16th Batt. d. 3/9/1916 France, b. Wexford
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Hello all, i have been researching my Jackman family also, i can trace them around co. kilkenny in the 1800's but i am sure they are all related with Wexford being next door and a likely place to land, i know a few of the Jackmans that are living in Wexford at the moment and they all seem to be from the Hugginstown, Thomastown and Bennettsbridge areas of Kilkenny, i too have heard of a Scotland link but also of devon/cornwall and the Isle of Wight! i wonder if we could get all these names together and find a link, most numerous christian names in my branch are William, Walter and John.
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Hi, I've been hesitating over whether to start a new thread or post on this one in the hope that previous posters might get notifications of a new post. I'll try here and start a new thread if nobody answers.
So i've just established that my g grandma was Ellen Jackman, born Wexford around 1868/69. I've got her birth year and birthplace from the 1901 and 1911 English censuses by which time she's living with my g granddad (John Dolan from Kings) in Salford. They were married in Salford in 1897 and I'm waiting on a copy of the marriage certificate.
The only record I can find of an Ellen Jackman born Wexford around that time is one born 1868 to Patrick Jackman and Anne Kenselah.
There's also an Ellen Jackman from Wexford who turns up age 13 living as a servant with a family in Warrington, Cheshire in 1881.
I've got nothing to prove one way or another whether these are the same Ellen Jackman as mine but I'd be intrigued to hear if Ellen, Patrick or Anne crop up in any of the genealogies you guys have, or if anyone could suggest a reason (I'm thinking the death of one or both parents) why a 13 year old girl should find herself in service so far from home..
Any help much appreciated.
Mike
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She would be finished school by then so in employment??
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...my g grandma was Ellen Jackman, born Wexford around 1868/69. I've got her birth year and birthplace from the 1901 and 1911 English censuses by which time she's living with my g granddad (John Dolan from Kings) in Salford. They were married in Salford in 1897 and I'm waiting on a copy of the marriage certificate.
The only record I can find of an Ellen Jackman born Wexford around that time is one born 1868 to Patrick Jackman and Anne Kenselah.
There's also an Ellen Jackman from Wexford who turns up age 13 living as a servant with a family in Warrington, Cheshire in 1881.
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Hi Mike,
She seems to have been a servant in 1881 and 1891. I agree her reason for working at that age would be because she had left school.
I have been researching Jackmans and Chapmans (interchangeable name due to how it is pronounced in Wexford) of Wexford for decades and agree that the only record that has shown up so far for an Ellen born around 1868 is the one to Patrick and Anne Kenselagh. No other children have shown up (so far) for this couple which might mean they left Wexford - so perhaps went to the Manchester area. Though at that time Irish people could be found more readily in Liverpool.
Certainly the most obvious next step is to get her marriage record, which hopefully should show her father's name. When you have that do start a new topic with his name in the header. Then I'll let you know if I have any more information on him. If it shows as Patrick, then I'd strongly suggest you get a photocopy of the 1868 birth certificate from the GRO as it will show more detail.
Good hunting.
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I should have asked you for her children's names. If she followed the Irish naming pattern (which many did in Wexford) than can give a clue. In particular you will be looking for the name of her second son.
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Margaret 1864
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F52W-HFP
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Thanks for all the replies, and for the great aunt (if I've got that right) assuming Patrick and Anne prove to be Ellen's parents.
Ellen's children were John (my Granddad), Annie, Thomas and Peter in that order but she also lost a child at some point and I'm not sure where in the line he or she would have been.
Hatslip, you say Ellen seems to have been a servant in 1881 and 1891. Is there an 1891 record I've missed?
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Replying to my own question I've found her in 1891 (Ancestry has Ellen as Ellin and Wexford as Wixford!). She's a 'General Servant Domestic' and is now in Broughton which is the part of Salford my Granddad was born so I think I can be pretty certain this is her.
I can understand her having to find work at 13. I'm struggling with the fact she may have come over to England at such a young age on her own though. Was that common does anyone know? I guess if I can establish for definite who her parents were then I could look for their death records to find out when and where they died.
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I've now found something else potentially interesting (to me at least). Until receiving my Granddad's birth certificate this week I'd always believed Ellen's maiden name was Reddington as that was what my Dad had told me (he died a few months ago so I'm not able to clarify any of this with him).
What I've found is that in the 1881 census there's a Mary A Reddington living with her husband John and her mother, Ann Jackman in Widnes which is just down the road from Warrington where Ellen is living. All are Irish.
If dathai or anyone else is able to provide anything (i.e. a birth record for Mary A Jackman - I don't seem to be able to get records which give parents' names) which might reveal this Ann Jackman to be the former Anne Kenselah then that would help explain why my Dad was so wrong about his grandma's maiden name and would also mean that at least Ellen didn't have to come to England on her own.
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From the 1911 English census Mary A is Mary Ann and she's from Wexford, born around 1858.
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for reference 1881 so born circa 1858/9
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQ6B-HSX
due to her age she could'nt be long married so a possible marriage in England as there does not seem to be one registered in Ireland.
also 2 possible deaths for Patrick Jackman between 1868 and 1881
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRRG-43B 1870 New Ross
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTMP-M4M 1878 Wexford
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Thanks, dasai. The second of those deaths looks the best bet as if it was the first one he'd have had Ellen around the age of 70 which whilst not impossible I suppose, seems a bit unlikely!
I also realise now I'm not going to find a birth record for Mary Ann am I as births weren't registered before 1864.
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Here are the Wexford Parish microfilms for marriages and births incase you do eventually find out what parish they were born in if right family.
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=wexford
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Not sure if this is good news or bad news for you Mike. I actually have that 1878 death certificate. Mainly because of the appearance of the name Ellen Donohue which ties to my Jackman/Chapman line.
Details: 18 april 1878, Green Street, Wexford; Patrick Jackman, married, 50 years, carpenter, Pneumonia with Diarrhoea 6 days, certified, Ellen Donohoe present at death, Patrick Square.
However I also have this cert:
Details: 12 oct 1878, Newtown, Margaret Jackman, married, 57 years, carpenter's wife, Bronchitis 2 months, certified, Ellen Donohoe present at death, Allen Street, Wexford.
Were they husband and wife? Well, Margaret is a similar age, but not noted as a widow. The occupation is suggestive. Her different address (of the dead people, not witness) might reflect a number of situations. The same person registering the deaths does seem to tie them together though. But her name is not Anne.
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Thanks for the replies again. I guess it was too good to be true that I had not only names but a narrative to account for their movements. The 2 certificates do seem to clearly link Patrick and Margaret together although there could of course have been a Jackman family carpentry business..
I need to do a bit more work today than I did yesterday so I'll mull this over again later.
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This is quite possibly a case of me simply wanting the Patrick who died 1878 to be mine but I've looked at Jackman births in Wexford leading up to 1878 in order to see whether any children were born to a Margaret & Patrick Jackman. The only Margaret Jackman I can find having children during the 1860s & '70s is one married to a Nicholas Jackman.
With any luck Ellen will have given her father's occupation for her marriage certificate.
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The name Nicholas in the Jackman/Chapman families tended to be mainly in the Fethard lines. (Still is, in fact). In the mid 1800s there were lots of different lines of Jackmans/Chapmans in Co. Wexford. Chapman and Jackman mainly across the south, Jackman mainly in the Enniscorthy area, Protestant Chapman in the Gorey area. But pretty widespread overall.
Looking forward to details from the marriage cert.
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So I've got the marriage certificate and the father of the bride is... Patrick Jackman (deceased), profession carpenter. It seems that Jackman Bros. Carpentry might not have been so fanciful a suggestion after all!
On your death certificate, Hatslip, do you know why there are two addresses given, Green Street and Patrick Square? And who is the Ellen Donohoe who links your certificates?
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It is a little unusual to have two addresses. The first one was under the date and I take it to refer to the address of the dead person, the second is in the box for the person who was present at the death.
I don't know that this Ellen Donohue is related in any way to the Jackmans, but I got the certificates just in case. I have an Ellen Donohue who lived in Wexford town, maiden name, Roche. Her sister was married to a Jackman/Chapman (not in town).