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Hi,
I am looking for the Pinching family as follows:
Richard Lloyd Pinching, head, occupation probably Surgeon
Mary Matilda Pinching, wife
William Hamilton Pinching, son aged about 13yrs
According to William's birth cert his father was a surgeon and they were living in 1838 in Marsh Street, Walthamstow.
The earliest I have been able to find any record of William is in 1866 here in NZ. He was a chemist/druggist.
I have found his Mothers death on Free BMD in 1881 but very little else on this family, including brothers or sisters, so any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
kiwi
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Hi kiwi,
1861 RG9/1061 fol.104 p.1 Marsh St, Walthamstow
Richard Lloyd Pinching head mar 52 M.R.C.s. Eng. General b. Prattibreeks (?) Ireland
Mary M. Pinching wife mar 56 England
R.L. Pinching Junr. son unm. 19 Engineers Pupil England
Ann Hamilton serv. wid. 47 Cook England
Ann Cartwright serv. unm 17 Housemaid England
1851 HO107/107/1769 fol.327 p.49 Marsh St, St. Mary', Walthamstow
Richard L. Pinching head mar 41 General Practitioner M.R.C.S. England b. Ireland
Mary M. Pinching wife mar. 45 Midx. London
W.H.G. " son 12 Essex, Walthamstow
H.N. " " 9 "
R.L. " " 8 "
Ellen Penn servant 25 "
1841 HO107/323/20 fol.4 p.3 Marsh St, Walthamstow
Richd. L. Pinching 33 Surgeon No Ireland
Mary " 32 No
William " 2 Yes
James Lepper 20 Asst. (surgeon) No Ireland
+ 3 female servants
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
Wow, that is impressive, thank you so much. Looks like William left before the 1861 census (Walthamstow anyway) will have to see if I can find him here a bit earlier.
It has given me something to work on.
Many thanks,
kiwi
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Hi kiwi,
You may already have this?
Richard Lloyd Pinching
Born 12 March 1843
Baptised 18 october 1843 Walthamstow
Parents were Richard Lloyd Pinchining and Mary Matilda
These were also children of Richard and Matilda
Horatio Nelson
Born 26 June 1841
Bap 18 Aug 1841
William Hamilton Ennis
Born 6 October 1838
Bap 2 November 1838
FHL Film 1564136
Kind Regards,
Frances :)
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Hi Kiwi,
Didn't find William in 1861, but did find Horatio:
1861 RG9/203 fol.38 p.18 Chemist's Shop, 159 Old St, Finsbury, Middlesex
Horatio N. Pinching boarder unm. 19 Auctioneer Walthamstow, Essex
living with Alonzo A. Wildbore, Chemist & Druggist, and family
Barbara
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Hi Barbara and Frances,
Frances: Thank you for the additional information, I didn't have those details for Richard and Horatio ( I had wondered about the initial 'N' ) all helps to fill in the broader picture.
Barbara: Looks like I will have to get out the atlas again and find Finsbury. :D. I found Horatio on the 1881 census, he was back in Walthamstow, Mary Matilda, his Mother,was living with him and his two daughters in Beulah Street but he had progressed from a Auctioneer to a Stockbroker by then.
I imagine William was learning his trade somewhere in the UK too about that time, probably in London somewhere, or maybe with a family colleague/ friend / associate. From what I can see he didn't seem to attend a college and obtain professional qualifications( I'm thinking of his fathers MRCS) but he was certainly accepted here by the NZ Govt as a suitable person to be an"Appointed Vaccinator" and run a chemist/druggist shop. I think I will ask on the 'occupations' part of this board to see if there was such a thing as a 'chemists school' in the 1850/60's or if it was something you 'grew into, by practice' so's to speak. Apprenticeship is the word!
Thank you for your help,
Regards,
kiwi.
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Hi Kiwi,
Further information on the Wildbores as requested:
1861 RG9/203 f.38 p.18 159 Old St (Chemist Shop) Finsbury, St. Lukes, Middx
Alonzo A. Wildbore head mar 33 Chemist & Druggist St. Lukes, Middx
Louisa B " wife mar 30 Christ Church, Surrey
Alonzo L " son 4 St. Lukes Middx
+ Horatio Pinching (details as before)
1861 RG9/203 fol.11 p.28 - 97 Old St, Finsbury, Middlesex
Daniel P Wildbore 63 Fellow of Royal College of Surgeons Middx,Shoreditch
Frances S. " 58 Berks, Windsor
George H. " 30 Middx. St. Lukes
Frances S " 22 " "
1851 HO107/1521 fol 208 p.4 105 Old St, Finsbury, St. Lukes, Middx
Daniel P Wildbore head mar 54 Surgeon & General Practitioner MRCS London b.Middlesex Shoreditch
Frances S Wildbore wife mar 47 Windsor, Berks
George " son unm 19 No occupation St. Lukes, Middlesex
Frances S " dau unm 14 Scholar at home " "
+ 3 servants
1841 HO107/668/6 fol.25 pp.41/42 Old Street, Finsbury, St. Lukes, Middx
Daniel Wm Wildbore 45 Surgeon N (not b. in county)
Frances " 35 Y
Daniel " 17 Y
Meadows " 15 Y
Alonza " 13 Y
George " 11 Y
Frances " 4 Y
Clara " 9 months Y
+ 3 servants
Hope this helps, Barbara :)
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Hi Barbara,
That is simply terrific, thank you.
Regards,
kiwi
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Dear Kiwi
Some time has past since you requested information about the Pinching family, so I hope you get this message. I work in London for the West Norwood Cemetery and have been conducting some surveys on some of our old graves within the site. A part of this survey is to find out if there are any living descendants to some of our older graves and upon Google searching Horatio Nelson Pinching I found this thread. Basically, I think I found (at best) a plot that was owned by HM Pinching and the final resting place for Frances S Pinching, recorded at 1910.
Please get back to me I would love to her from you.
Regards
Steve
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Hi Steve,
Well what a nice surprise. Thank you for getting in touch. I am connected to William Hamilton Ennis Pinching who came out to NZ and settled here. From the postings on Rootschat you will see that they were all given the most fantastic names which made tracing some of them a bit easier.
You may be interested to find that there are still Pinchings in London, one of whom has been in touch with me and generously supplied me with lots of family information.
The Pinching family certainly travelled settling in NZ, Australia and the USA, some served in the British Army in India as well as the British Navy and HM East India Company.
When you have made three postings the PM (private messaging) system will open up to you making the exchange of email addresses easier.
Kind Regards,
Kiwi
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Hi Kiwi,
This thing is so weird. I am actually from NZ as well but working in London. Looking up deceased people linking back 100 years to NZ is somewhat bizzare!
Thanks for your response - I do hope that the other Pinchings of London get in touch with me. I will try and send another msg to enable the private messaging system.
The grave site was damaged in WWII and is located in quite a affluent area of the cemetery. We had some thoughts about restoration, or re-use of the site - but before doing so I do wish to have some form of consent from any living descendants. I will wait - and hopefully hear back from the others.
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Hi Steve,
It's a small world, after your posting I googled the cemetery and was stunned to find it was huge! something like 42 acres, you have a massive job ahead of you*laugh* Are you there on a working holiday or is the move permanent? I did the working holiday thing over 50years ago, stayed in London for a while and travelled around.
I was a bit shocked to see some of the cemetery had been reused, not a pleasant thought, the word restoration sounds much more acceptable.
Do you have a grave photo you could email?
I have permission to give you the London area Pinching email address when the private messaging system opens up to you along with mine. Another Pinching descendant from Horatio Pinching's line is in America, I will ask if he is agreeable for you to contact him.
Kind Regards,
kiwi
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Hi Kiwi
It is a small world - I have been here for 11 years now and have dual citizenship which certainly helps with immigration queues at Heathrow. Probably something you never had to experience 50 years ago! Not so many NZ'ers here now since some changes to the immigration policies here - I certainly could not have come the route I did (Working Holiday then Highly Skilled Migrant then Indefinite leave / citizenship) as the highly skilled visas are incredibly hard for people to get now - its only restricted to healthcare professionals etc... Anyhow I digress...
West Norwood is one of the Magnificent Seven cemeteries of London and has around 70 listed monuments within it - during Victorian times you would have had to be pretty well heeled to be buried in the site. The Friends of West Norwood Cemetery often do tours and talks on the site in what has become a pretty popular place to visit in terms of it's more well known buried 'residents' as well as its architectural merits.
...and YES - West Norwood has had an awful history of re-using graves illegally and it is something that is not forgotten here. You probably read that the cemetery is under a Consistory Court ruling (basically the church court) that has judged that the cemetery be managed under a Scheme of Management Committee that makes all of the key decisions for it until such time that a joint petition is made to the consistory court again by the Scheme of Management (and the council) to resume control back to the Council. One of the conditions of a successful petition will be that the Scheme of Management is satisfied with the Councils LEGAL approach to re-use and / or restoration. And this, in a very short summary is what I am doing now as a pilot. The pilot just so happened to include the Pinching plot.
It would be fantastic if you could give me some details of the living family members to discuss this further.
I of course have a photo of the plot but I suspect it is not what you expect! given bomb damage and years of neglect its merely just the footprint of a brick vault. I tried to attach to this but maybe that will work once I have sent my third post.
I also have with names and burial years of each family member and it appears that the plot was once owned by the 'Weller' and 'Wildbore' family and then taken over by the Pinching's through (I presume) marriage. The list is as follows:
Edward Weller 1844
Clara Matilda Wildbore 1846
Frances Sophia Wildbore 1865
Daniel Peacock Wildbore 1879
Alice Edith Pinching 1879
Frances Sophia Pinching 1910
The 'Frances Sophia' appears to the a handed down name that suggests that the Wildbore and Pinching family were linked at some point. It might be that they were Aunty / Niece but who knows!
I have taken photos of the burial registers with these names in them, again once I have private messaging I can share these these with you. Importantly, on the register is Horatio Nelson Pinching being named as the last known proprietor of the grave (taking over in Feb 1914) - he does not appear to be buried here but Alice and Edith presumably were directly related to him.
Anyway, all interesting stuff. Speak to you soon,
Cheers
Steve
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Hi Steve & Kiwi
You have enough posts to use the personal message system to exchange information such as email addresses, see here
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
There are no facilities to attach photos on the 'completed' or 'look-up request' boards or include them in personal messages.
Exchange email addresses and email the images.
Please be mindful of our 'no living people' here, again the pm system is perfect for this.
Hope this helps.
Dawn
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Hi dawnsh,
We have now exchanged emails through the pm system. It was just a case of getting the 3 posts for Steve.
Kind Regards,
kiwi