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I am trying to find the marriage of William Ellams born 1771. I only know that he was married to someone called Mary. I don't know exactly where he was born but most of the children were born in Helsby, Cheshire. Hope you can help.
Jill.
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There is a marriage indexed at St Mary Gt Budworth dated 10/10/1824 to a Mary Besswick. At first glance it seems a little late to be your William Ellams, but it is the only one. So cannot be sure as their are two William and Mary's together in 1841 census. Yours in Helsby and the others in Runcorn the Runcorn William Ellams seems a more likely candidate for an 1824 wedding.
Looking at the Helsbey 1841 census it shows William as being aged 70/75 and Mary 55/60 with a set of twins aged 4, who were their parents?
The 1841 census does not show relationships so could Mary have been a sister/sister in law or other relative ? The 1851 shows her as a widow,with one of the twins (Joseph) as her grandson.
all a bit confusing.
peterbennett
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Hi,
As Mary does seem quite a bit younger than William, do you think the William + Mary marriage could be a second marriage?
Pallots Marriage Index has,
William ELLAMS
Ellen LIGHTFOOT
1794 Frodsham, Cheshire
Regards
Daisy
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Hi Peter,
Sorry for delay in replying, apart from being away for a few days, I couldn't find your reply, I'm probaby being a little dim here as I only managed to find it through 'search'. I haven't got the hang of this site yet.
Re William & Mary Ellams: As you said, on 1841 census it shows Joseph 1837. He is the son of Ellen Ellams (dau. of William & Mary). He was born illigitimately. Ellen b. 1817 married 8 years later to John Lockett.
Mary Ellams b.1837 also mentioned on same census is a mystery so far, I can't find anything on her.
I have a copy of William's Will which mentions Mary, his wife. Also a daughter named Mary, but surely it couldn't be Mary 1837 as that would mean wife, Mary, was 55 when pregnant.
I haven't managed to find a William Ellams of Runcorn.
I would dearly love to find siblings of William but no-can-do without his birth or marriage certs. Is there any way you can help please?
Jill.
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Hi Daisy,
Sorry for delay in replying been away and on return got confused with the use of this site.
I'm beginning to think the same as you, but why is there no reference to his marriage to Mary?
I have been in touch with other Lightfoot researchers but no one seems to know of William Ellams and Ellen Lightfoot.
He was getting on a bit if it was a first-time marriage, maybe he was very very fussy.
Jill.
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Hi, Can't help with this one but couldn't resist buttingin as I have Ellams in my tree. My sister married an Ellams from Liverpool. There aren't many of them about, Good Luck.
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Hi,
I have William in my tree as well, Wife Mary??? with 4 children starting with Ellen 1817 who married John Lockett complete with son Joseph.
My tree is at
http://wainwrights.familytreeguide.com/tree_index.php
if you want to check out the families. any additions gratefully accepted.
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Yes, we have the same William and Mary Ellams. I had a glance at your tree and notice you have quite a few Ellamses in it, but just like me, you haven't managed to get beyond William and Mary, they are my main line, and my brick wall at the moment, so if you ever get beyond William and Mary please let me know.
I have quite a few more Ellams names for you to add to your site. Do I log onto your site or what to pass them on?
Regards,
Jil.
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Hi Liverpool Lass,
Thanks for your email. I came across Ellams in Liverpool who was born in Ince, Cheshire. All the christian names were the same as my Ellams but I couldn't find a link. Do yours include the Orrell lfamily?
Jill.
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Frodsham Parish Register has the following entries:
William ELLAMS m Ellin HANDLEY by Banns 28 Mar 1780
William ELLAMS bach m Ellen LIGHTFOOT sp. 30 Jan 1794 by licence
Baptism:
Ellen LIGHTFOOT dau of John and Ellen of Netherton, 24 Mar 1771
Lots of Lightfoots at Frodsham.
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Thank you for your email. I know about those people you mentioned but I don't know if they are anything to do with my ancestors, as my William Ellams was married to Mary ? who was born in Alvanley near Helsby.
I can't help wondering though, I notice you have written bachelor next to William who married Ellen Lightfoot but not the William who married Ellin Handley, that could mean it was a second marriage couldn't it?
Jill.
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I think that it's just the information that was recorded at that time. You would need to check the image to make sure, but I think that it's more likely it would be recorded if either of the parties had been married before.
Jean
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william ellams bapt 2nd july 1775 st james ince cheshire.father listed as william ellams no mother listed.
regards
alli
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Do you know where I would get the image from?
Jill.
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Hi Alli,
How would I know he was the right one, there are several?
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Hi Jill,
Short answer is that you won't know if he is the right one, but he is a possibility. Do you know when your William died? There is a will on the CRO website for a William Ellams 1844 Helsby, could this possibly be his father? It might give you some clues....
You can order online at http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/Recordoffice/Wills/Search.htm - I think they are £3.50 a copy plus postage.
Edit: Hmm, now I look it's probably your William - still it might help you with children etc.
Jean
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Yep, It is my William. I already have his Will and have followed up the children mentioned in it and learned a lot about them, but not about William and his wife, Mary. It gets so frustrating. I have looked for their births and marriage at the RO, and for their gravestone(s) but no luck. Still, they'll keep me going through the winter, I'm not one for giving up. Thank you for your assistance Jean, really kind of you.
Jill.