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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: Dizzy Escape on Thursday 04 November 04 12:20 GMT (UK)
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I have a great great grandfather called Charles Lot Cheeseman (b. 1839), a coachman/groom who lived in Rusthall and married (1) Emma HAMLYN from Paddington in 1864 and, after her death, Clara VERRALL also from Rusthall in 1871, the daughter of Henry VERRALL, labourer. Charles Lot's father was Charles CHEESEMAN, labourer. Charles Lot's son was also a Charles Lot (b.1867), a butler to the Marquis of Sygo and later steward to Hoare's Bank in London, who in 1895 married Emily Louisa PIKE, daughter of Henry Pike (gardener) and Louisa, nee PLANK of Norwood in Surrey. Charles and Emily's son was Charles Henry (known as Don) Cheeseman (b. 1899), my grandfather, who was principal double bass player in the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. Does this tie into anyone else's research?
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Greetings Dizzy, :)
Not sure if I'll be of any help at all. I do have Cheeseman in my family, from the Kent area. Mainly around Bromley, Dartford etc I think. Not 100% sure as I don't have to much information but may be able to shed a bit of light possibly.
Regards
Lin
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Thank you for this - and sorry for being so slow to reply (I've been away from this machine). It would be lovely to know if there's a connection. The trouble is, there are a lot of Cheesemans in Kent! My Cheesemans originated (or at least spent most of the 18th and 19th centuries) in Berkshire and it was Charles Lot Cheeseman who moved to Rusthall. Let me know if your subsequent researches indicate any possible link. Best wishes, Emma
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hi , just seen you r message. i used to live in Rusthall and i went to school with a Clare Cheeseman born about 1966
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Greetings Emma, :)
My turn to apologise now for late reply. I didn't receive notification of your reply!! :'(
Oh yes you are so right there are a lot of Cheeseman's in Kent. For our Cheeseman branch one of them married into the ODD family.
My branch of Cheeseman are distantly related but I am in touch with someone connected closer and I'm sure they'd be willing to answer any queries if you have them and they have the answer!!
Lin
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Thanks for this. I'm not getting notifications either! :'(
I suspect my Cheesemans are Berkshire based back as far as the mid eighteenth century, but I can't help wondering if they came from Kent prior to that. I haven't had any luck in the Berkshire Record Office. It's hard to prove migrations!
All best, Emma
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Greetings Emma :)
I'll ask my Cheeseman "cousin" very distant if they know anything of a Berkshire connection. Watch this space!! Well not all the time obviously as I don't know who long a reply will take and you'll have better things to do than watching a space :D
Lin
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Thanks, Lin, and thank you also Misha, above, who went to school with a Cheeseman in Rusthall! How interesting! Yes, do let me know if a Berkshire-Kent Cheeseman connection can be made. By the way, Holbein painted a portrait of Henry VIII's falconer who was called Robert Cheseman. The picture is now in the Hague. It looks just like my grandfather in 16th century fancy dress! However, Robert Cheseman was the son, I think, of a Kent J.P.
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Greetings Emma, :)
I've asked my Cheeseman "cousin" . Just waiting on a reply.
You never know in this game you may find you are distantly related to Robert Cheseman. There is the Kent connection don't forgetLOL
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Lin,Dizzy,
My Binstead/steed trawls have found some connection to Cheeseman,at one time this name is said to have covered 75% of Kent,does your local phone book show many now?Binsteed is my main interest,seem's to have been a big swing to the 'Stead variety!
Regard's,Goggy. ;)
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Hi Goggy
There is an electoral register search c2002? (and telephone) online http://www.b4u.co.uk/
The current BT white pages http://www2.bt.com/edq_resnamesearch?namespace=coexistence
Casalguidi
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Casalguidi,
thank you for the the refs,have saved same,for now!
Regards,Goggy. ;)
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Greetings Goggy, :)
I don't know about phone books for my CHEESEMAN connection in Kent. I'm up in the Midlands. I have a distant cousin branch in Sidcup. Any help
Lin
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Hello, all!
I've come across many CHEESEMAN, ODD, and WELLS/WELLES mentions in the Westerham, Kent, parish records. Post here if it would be of any help to you.
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Shathaway,
Your ODD connections would be very usueful and maybe your CHEESEMAN.
My WELLS are in Thanet area of Kent
Lin
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I didn't have much time today and only made it through Westerham parish records through 1830 (the register dates from 1716 to 1870), but I did find some information. I'll have another go soon.
Baptisms
William, son of John & Sophia ODD, 11 Mar 1821, labourer
James, son of John & Sophia ODD, May 3, 1822
Sarah, dau of John & Sophia ODD, ? Mar 1826, labourer
Charles, son of Thomas & Betsy ODD, 1 or 9 Jan 1826, labourer
Emma, dau of John & Sophia ODD, ? Apr 1826
Eliza, dau of Thomas & Elizabeth ODD, 25 Feb 1827, labourer
Thomas, son of Thomas & Elizabeth ODD, 25 July 1830, labourer
Marriages
John ODD, bachelor, Sophia King, by banns 16 Apr 1820 (wit: Thomas Odd and George Jewell)
Burials
Sarah ODD, dau of William and Sarah, Westerham, 6 Sep 1819 10 yrs
John CHEESEMAN, Poorhouse, Westerham, 23 Jan 1820, 76
William ODD, son of John & Sophia, 7 June 1821, infant
Sarah CHEESEMAN, 26 Jan 1823, widow, 69
James ODD, son of William & Sophia, 20 Jan 1826, 3
Thomas ODD, 10? Oct 1830, infant (Thos. & Elizabeth's son? I'll check again.)
Hope this helps!
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Greetings Shathaway, :)
Thanks for this. Will have a look see and compare with what I have.
Where do you and your branch fit in?
Lin
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To my knowledge, I have no CHEESEMAN in my line.
I just have access to the Westerham parish records and am happy to look for other folks. I noticed this discussion about CHEESEMAN and recalled seeing quite a few. I also have access to the 1841 census for Westerham and think that's where I saw most of the CHEESEMAN entries I recall.
I'm looking for LUFF, HEARNE (and variants), and possibly WELLER in Westerham, Feltham, Middx, and Egham, Surrey, so far.
Hope it helps, Lin!
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Well the Odd connections look promising could be a connection, just checking on a few bits.
Lin
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shathaway,there is a armful of Luff's in East Meon,on the Hampshire form.
Seen a few in other Sthn Counties too.As I'm a trawler I dont keep vert good record's,cant type fast enuff!
Regard's Goggy. :)
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Thanks, Goggy, I'll have a look and expand my horizons!
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G'Day
I am interested in this Cheeseman thread.
my 2x great grandfather was Edward F Cheeseman
b Canturbury ? Kent c 1836 son of William Cheeseman
I think he had a brother Charles F b 1842 and sister
Catherine b 1845. I would welcome contact from anyone researching Cheeseman's in Kent holing to possibly link up somewhere in the ancestral lines at
some point.
regards
Michael Cheeseman
email address removed by moderator
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Hello. I'm afraid my Cheesemans are really Berkshire Cheesemans. My Charles Lot Cheeseman was born in Beenham, Berks, in 1839, and only moved to Rusthall in Kent because of his work (he was a coachman). I have traced the family back a further three generations in Berkshire to a Daniel Cheeseman who died in 1779. I don't know where they came from before that. Of course, Cheeseman is very much a Kentish name, but mine don't seem to link in with the main body of Cheeseman research there! Good luck with yours! Emma
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I knew some Luff's in Surrey. Do you know whereabouts yours were?
Lin
Thanks, Goggy, I'll have a look and expand my horizons!
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Greetings Michael,
The CHEESEMAN connection in my family is they married into the ODD/ODDBOY family and lived around Westerham, Bromley and Sidcup in Kent.
Lin
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Thanks for this. I'm not getting notifications either! :'(
I suspect my Cheesemans are Berkshire based back as far as the mid eighteenth century, but I can't help wondering if they came from Kent prior to that. I haven't had any luck in the Berkshire Record Office. It's hard to prove migrations!
All best, Emma
Hi Emma,
The majority of my Cheeseman family are from Surrey, having originated (it seems) in Frimley before moving to the Chobham Bisley Woking area. One branch did move to the Easthampstead area of Berkshire around the 1800s though and I would be interested in hearing from you or anyone else if there is any connection with these Cheesemans.
Despite extensicve searching I have not found any connection between the Cheesemans of Surrey and Kent. In fact there are Cheesemans in the Egham and Dorking areas of Surrey who so far appear to be not connected in any way as well.
All the best,
Adam
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This the church where most of my Cheeseman family were connected with.
St. Michael the Archangel, Warfield, Berkshire.
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Ah, I'm afraid my Berkshire Cheesemans much further west in Beenham and West Ilsley.
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Hi, saw your post and wondered if you could help me. I have an ancestor, James Cheeseman b 1792 d 1856 who lived in Camberwall/St Giles Peckham. He married a Rebecca Wale from Maidenhead and they had at least one daughter, Phoebe who married William Sawyer. Phoebe's daughter Phoebe, migrated to Australia. I'm wondering if my Cheesemans might be related to yours? Be really grateful if you (or anyone else reading this) could help. Cheers!
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Hello, again - see my reply on the Devon forum! I do hope you make progress with these Cheesemans, even thought they don't seem to be connected with my lot.
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Hi - sorry to be so green, but how do I get to the Devon Forum? Thanks!
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Hi - found out - thank you! - I'll get better I promise :)
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I have Cheesman's in Charing and the surrounding area.