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Hello,
I am trying to trace a relative, and to see the names etc of other siblings:
Elizabeth Marlow born 1833 Offley, Herts. Could someone please try to find her in the 1841 Census. Her father I think was James or Robert. Sorry to be so vagued.
Many thanks for your help,
Best wishes,
David
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1841 - in Offley Parish itself ..
HO107/445/12
Registration district - Hitchin
Folio 33
Page 8
all born in county ... no street address given.
Robert Marlow 58 Ag Labourer
Aves Marlow 47
James Marlow 28
Mary Marlow 18
Jane Marlow 14
George Marlow 10
Elizabeth Marlow 8
Eliza Marlow 5
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1841 lists Hannah, Elizabeth, Mary and Sarah as daughters of James and Susan all born Herts
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Hello KEM,
Do you have the ages of the people ?
Many thanks,
David
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Parents both 45, Mary 15, Sarah and Hannah 10 and Elizabeth 5 I'm sure you know that 1841 rounded to nearest 5
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erm .... have you seen the first reply - Elizabeth aged 8 ... father Robert
I'm sure you know that 1841 rounded to nearest 5
only true for adults over 15
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In my experience it varies
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The IGI has.
Eliza b 01 MAY 1836 Offley - parents Robert & Avis
Elizabeth b 10 FEB 1833 Offley - Parents James & Susannah.
James and Susan/nah as parents seem the better bet if you are fairly certain that your Elizabeth was born in 1833.
HO107/445/12 - 11
Offley
Herts
MARLOW (All born Herts)
James, 45, Ag Lab
Susan, 45
Mary, 15
Sarah, 10
Hannah, 10
Elizabeth, 5
Rick :)
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spooky - the 2 girls ages as enumerated put them with the other parents !
Elizabeth aged 8 - viz b1833 - Robert and Aves
Elizabeth aged 5 - viz b1836 - James and Susannah
Ref 1841 age rounding-down - yes its the exceptions that prove the rule so as to speak - I frequently see adults with exact ages ...
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Hello,
The confusion arose, because I had James Marlow as her father, and I have a relative who I met through GenesReunited that has Robert. ???
May have to get the birth and marriage certificates.
Thanks all for looking, :)
David
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David
Sadly, civil registration only began in 1837, so you will only be able to check the baptismal records. This would be well worth doing as there seems to be a lot of confusion about this and the 1833 Elizabeth is member submitted.
There is also this member submitted entry.
Elizabeth b 10 MAR 1833 Offley - Parents Robert and Avis.
Rick :)
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Thanks Rick,
But I should be able to confirm the fathers name for Elizabeth Marlow in her marriage certificate with James Norris, which was about 1854.
Best wishes,
David
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Note that the Robert & Aves Family have an Eliza AND an Elizabeth ... in the 1841 census
Its Eliza with the 1836 Dob ..
ELIZA MARLOW
Christening: 01 MAY 1836 Offley
Her Parents are:
Father: ROBERT MARLOW and Mother: AVIS
The 2 actual Elizabeths in Marlow IGI are SUBMITTED - not ORIGINAL records, so somebody else has made a similar mistake ...
all things considered, I'd go with the Census ...
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confirm the fathers name for Elizabeth Marlow in her marriage certificate
good plan, that will lay the ghost !
I see that Rick has confirmed the IGI member submitted status for Elizabeth, its surprising that the IGI doesnt have the originals - according to the Hugh Wallis site, the baptism batches are there for the years in question ....
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IGI has marriage of an Elizabeth Marlow to James Norris 4th Jan 1851 at North Mimms, Herts. Marriage listed on freeBMD as March 1851 Hitchen Vol 6 p 695
Hope that helps as i wasn't sure if you knew
Karen
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Thanks Rick,
But I should be able to confirm the fathers name for Elizabeth Marlow in her marriage certificate with James Norris, which was about 1854.
Best wishes,
David
Hi David
Curious! I have found these marriages on BVRI.
NORRIS, James to Elizabeth MARLOW married 4 Jan 1851, North Mimms, Herts
Husband's Father: John NORRIS
Wife's Father: Robert MARLOW
NORRIS, James to Elizabeth MARLOW married 4 Jan 1851, Kimpton, Herts
Husband's Father: John NORRIS
Wife's Father: Robert MARLOW
They would appear to be the same couple who married twice on the same day! Once in North Mimms and once in Kimpton. Very odd!!!
Rick :)
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Hello Rick,
Many thanks, you have saved me £7 :D as I had just obtained the information Mar 1851 Hitchin 6 695.
Looks like my relative was right and I was wrong.
You have been a great help.
Best wishes,
David
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David
It might be worth getting the certificate anyway as there is something iffy about the identical marriages in 2 different locations!!!! I would double check the complete GRO indexes though, just in case there are 2 marriages! Though I agree that it would seem to confirm that Robert was your Elizabeth's father.
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=8965&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0
I have had a quick look at the 51, and the daughter of James and Susannah is at home in Offley with her parents on census night. As the marriage took place in January and the census was taken in March, this would seem to be a double confirmation. Your Elizabeth should be living with James as his wife in 51. I cannot seem to find them however.
Rick :)