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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: Ronin on Tuesday 29 August 06 10:25 BST (UK)
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Dear all,
I have a photograph of the man named above dated 1946. His age is given as 47. I believe he is related to a Ralph Harold Carter (who lived around Birmingham) in some way or a Robert Arthur Carter from Canada.
The photograph was taken in Australia and there are other documents suggesting that he lived there over this period and probably beyond.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start looking for information?
Ronin
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Sorry for the confusion,
I am after
Wilfred Harrid Carter also transcribed as Wilfred Harold Carter.
Thanks,
Ronin
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Hi Ronin
What other documents? What are the dates specifically on them?
'Transcribed 'on what?
Lots of R. Chatters will be keen to help, but we really need more details Please.
Sue
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Hi Ronin
Which State are we talking about? Is there any background in the photo to help identify the place? If so, are you able to post on to the message board.
We can check electoral rolls etc but need an approximate location.
Genni
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Thanks Sparrett,
I have a definite Robert Arthur Carter marrying a Ellen Lavinia Tudor (Aka Nellie Tudor). They had two children, Treasel in 1885 (Toronto) and Ralph Harold Carter in 1887 (Birmingham). This is all from other boards on here over the last couple of weeks.
I have traced Treasel's family to the present day and think that Ralph Harold (Aka William Ralph Carter I think) might have been killed in WW1 (Info via A2A) but this has yet to be confirmed.
Over the weekend I was informed of a number of photographs. One in particular shows a "Wilfred Harrid (Could be Harold) Carter on a motorbike in 1946 saying he is 47 years old. There are also two letters mentioning Carter marked Australian addresses. I am getting further details tomorrow.
Thanks,
Ronin
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Hello again,
this may muddy the waters!
The photograph dated Sept 1946 does not mention an age but does say "Wilfred Ralph(!) Carter at Brastone or Broustone or Bradstone Street in Aukland dated September 1946".
A further photograph says "Me at 16"(?) very blurred at ... New South Wales June 17th 1921
Other undated pictures mention Wilfred at 5 months.
This is everything so far....
Ronin
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Hi Ronin'
Auckland is in NEW ZEALAND
Iwould suggest that you immediately put a notice on the New Zealand board of RootsChat asking for help identifying the street name and asking for death [or other event] look up.
As this seems to be his last known place, you may be able to work back from there to Aust.
I do not immediately see any 'events' under that name in the bmd's for NEW SOUTH WALES.
Other contributeos might do better.
Sue
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Thanks Sparrett,
I have been to New Zealand so my geography is not that bad! :)
The Aukland is a transcribed typo (I will attend to that living relative later!)
The address iin question is
Katourala (?)
Branstone Street (Or Broustone or Braistone)
Luragindi (Or Lauagindi)
South Brisham
Queensland
Australia
(This is on the back of the Wilfred Ralph Carter - Sept 1946 Photograph
The New South Wales picture says
Taken at M anly(??) or auly?
New South Wales January 17th 1921
And it shows two people on a beach
If you have any further thoughts I would be very interested.
Thanks,
Ronin
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Hi Ronin
There is a Bramston Street, Tarragindi. This is a suburb in Brisbane's South.
Do you have the pictures? Are you able to copy and paste them on the board.
The 1921 photo is more than likely Manly, Sydney.
Cheers
Genni
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There is a Wifred Ralph son of Ralph, who served in WWII
CARTER WILFRED RALPH Born 1918 Brisbane Next of Kin Ralph Carter
Search as a guest from here
http://www.naa.gov.au/the_collection/recordsearch.html
Trish
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You're welcome.
I haven't been to NZ, but was able to place the poorly spelt spot despite your posting it on the Australian Board!!!
Only trying to help Mate.
Sue
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Hello there
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.asp?ServiceID=A&VeteranID=63265
you will find a bit more detail
of wilfred carter
he was from tarragindi
so well spotted Genni
regards jenn
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Many thanks to you all, this is excellent.
It is all coming together and the Tarragindi is obviously "Luragindi" with smudged ink.
Does anyone know how to find out if Bramstone street still exists as I guess the house name is "Katourala" or somesuch!
Thanks,
Ronin
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Me again already!
Where would one find emigration records for this type of record (His father Ralph particularly) or local details of the town mentioned?
Thanks again.
Ronin
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Hi Ronin,
Tarragindi is a nice old leafy suburb in the southern suburbs of Brisbane. There is a bit of a blurb on it here:
http://www.ourbrisbane.com/living/suburbs/tarragindi/history/
There is a link in the first para on that page to a local history project - might be worth contacting them about the house you're interested in.
Prue
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Hi there,
I just looked up my Brisbane refedex (A to Z) and Bramston Street is still there. (Map 180 C 17) Sorry can't help with the house name though. In those days there were not usually house numbers, but they often had names. Even if the house still exists the name may no longer be there. :(
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If they immigrated through Brisbane pre 1920, the state archives may have some information. There is an email address under "contact us" - I think they will do minor checks for you. They don't seem to be in the online lists (only to 1884)
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au
Trish
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Hello again,
calling all experts...
As Wilfred was born on 31st December 1918, he may still be alive. If he is, is there a national Directory in Australia (Like the Kelly's in the U.K. or the electoral role which I might investigate?).
Also, at the risk of sounding uninformed(!), why might his record show him being discharged from the army in 1941 at the tender age of only 33? Surely he would have been needed around this time?
Lastly, he was last posted with "The Northern Command Signals" but the only reference on the Internet to this group is based in York in Britain during WWII. Does anyone have any further suggestions?
Many thanks again,
Ronin
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Hello there
Well he may very well have been invalided out.
You could try the white pages on line.http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/resSearch.do
this is a carter in tarragindi not the same street though
Electoral Rolls aren't on line
may be we might find his fathers Ralph? death
what is his parents names and his a birth year.
you could also get his service record the the NAA
it may give you more clues it will at least tell you why he left the service so early.
You could also try war graves commission if he has died he would have been entitled to a plaque from war graves so they may have his details on file I got my grandad burial place this way.
just mulling over suggestions
regards jenn
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There is a Wilfred Henry Carter buried at Mt Gravatt 1965 aged 48.
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD::pc=PC_899 - almost the correct age?
The birth index for Wilfred would be available on microfiche - should give his mother's name. I think the Federal electrol Rolls are available at the archives in most Australian states - not online as far as I know.
Trish
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Hi
Electoral rolls are available at State Libraries. Prior to 1991 they were in indexed in areas and then alphabetically after 1991 they are indexed alphabetically.
Cheers
Genni
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Hi Genni
The NAA in Brisbane are right behind the current location of the state library (family history section). They also have the electoral rolls - being very much less crowded than the state library I have been known to drop in there occasionally. It is also much easier to park there ;D . The State library is moving back to rebuilt home soon - rumour has it there will be even less space - ahhhhhhhhhhhh - I must ask someone!
Trish
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Thanks you all so much,
I now need to find out why he might have dropped his father's name 'Ralph' and replaced it with Henry (Harry). All indications would suggest that this did happen as the "Harry" connection was a starting point from some family documentation (Unless there were twins!!) How intriguing.
I shall have to plan a trip to Australia!
If this is the chap, might he be listed as a father in any Australian online archives which I might interrogate? To find a living relative would be splendid!
Ronin
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Hello there Ronin
please be cautious with all of this info it is not verified
and the gentlemen who is buried as wilfred henry carter
may very well be just that and no relation to your guy at all
he is buried in a grave with another person
his name is Stanley Arthur John PAce-Garforth died 2/11/1965 aged 56 wilfred carter having died on the 29/10/65
which could mean? paupers grave? or good mates or relation?
regards jenn
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Thanks Tropicalj
I wouldn't dare commit this info to my tree yet but it does give me an impetus to root around my own family archives armed with these 'teasers'.
I'm still relatively new to this but the site and all the people on it are great for ideas and help.
I will be cautious and thanks for your thoughts. :) :)
Best regards,
Ronin
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Hi Ronin,
I will most likely be going to the Qld State Archives sometime next week. They have electoral rolls there also.
If you would like me to look up anything for you, let me know specifically what ie. dates, names etc.
I'm fairly new to family history too, but am happy to try some lookups for you.