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Allright from the West (Wet?) Midlands :D,
I'm new at this lark and am getting frustrated ???
I'm researching my GreatGrandmother Caroline Jane LANDRY.
She married my GreatGrandfather James GANDY in Salford 1875 8d/150-Q1.
In 1901 she is shown as aged 46 b. Cornwall, N.K. (Not Known?) and living in Bolton RG13/3614/9/110.
In 1891 she is shown as aged 34 b. Cornwall, Truro and living in New Cross, Manchester RG12/3233/32/42/6098343 next-door-but-one to what would seem to be double relatives Joseph LANDRY (40) (b. Cornwall) and his family which includes his widowed mother Jane LANDRY (75) (b. Cornwall) and his wife (36) who was b. Mary Jane GANDY.
In 1881 she is shown (by Ancestry.co.uk) as aged 27 b. PESVAIL, Cornwall and living in Hapton, nr Burnley, Lancs RG11/4159/92/42/1341997.
So, firstly, can anyone throw any light on the PESVAIL bit? I can find no trace of it and presume it to have been wrongly transcribed. Could it perhaps be Pen.... something, which sounds more Cornish?
Then, secondly, how do I work out what year Caroline was born? Her age seems to fluctuate (which I know is a woman thing - but that doesn't help me). I am loathe to waste money ordering birth certs when the basic info has not been confirmed - I have been caught out that way before.
Regards,
Alhal
PS - Love Cornwall - shame it's such a long drive from the Midlands - can anyone do anything about that?
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Welcome to Rootschat! :)
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
Birth Caroline Jane Landry
Dec quarter 1855 Redruth 5c 236
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1871
Jane Landrey head wid 52 Laundress b, Pelynt Cornwall
Ann Landrey daughter 21 invalid b. Sheviock
Richard E son 17 farm lab b. Sheviock
Caroline daughter16 laundress b. Sheviock
William haines lodger 23 smiths lab
William Nichols lodger wid 58 ag lab
Living Villiage Seveock Sheviock Cornwall
Source RG10
Folio 5
Page 3
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There is a Pestreath Cove near Redruth, and Redruth is probably the reg district, but I can find no pesvail.
Mike.
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Carolines mother Jane was born Pelynt Cornwall so that might solve your problem! :)
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There is this 1861 census entry:
RG9/1584 83 20
Camborne, Cornwall
Bray
Willm Landry, head, 44, Copper Miner, b. Lostwithiel?
Jane, wfe, 45, b. do.
Willm H, son, 16, Mine Labourer, b. Feock?
Steph, son, 14, In Dresser, b. do.
Elizth A, dau, 11, b. Gwenap
Joseph, son, 8, scholar, b. do.
Caroline J, dau, 6, scholar, b. Feock
Mary, dau, 2, b. Camborne
Rebeca, dau, 2 weeks, b. do.
But if born Dec 1855 she would be only 5 :-\
oops - the 1871 looks better, I think
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Hm. I wonder now.
This is the 1861 entry for the Sheviock family:
RG9/1524 5 4
Sheviock, Cornwall
Jane Landry, head, 41, wid, Laundress, b. Pelept?
Margratt, dau, 19, Laundress, b. Sheviock
Emiline, dau, 14, b. do.
Ann Jane, dau, 11, scholar, b. do.
John C, son, 9, scholar, b. do.
Richard E, son, 7, scholar, b. do.
Mary C, dau, 6, scholar, b. do.
Either Caroline is not at home or she is in fact Mary Caroline...
Going back to 1851, I see the father is called Edward. I think the 1875 marriage cert would certainly be very interesting to see...
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I'm struggling to find them in 1871*. I see the Joseph married to Mary J gives his birthplace as Gwenap on the 1901 census.
*Edit - here they are:
1871
RG10/2325 75 28 & 29
Camborne Cornwall
Jane Laundry, mother, wid, 52, b. Lostwithiel
Willm H, son, 26, Surface Lab at Mine, b. Feock
Stepn, son, 24, Tin Miner, b. Feock
Caroline J, dau, 15, Surface Lab at Mine, b. Gwennap
Joseph, son, 18, b. do.
Mary, dau, 13, b. Feock
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Welcome Alhal, Could Pesvail actually be Busveal, which is about one mile south east from Redruth? I looked for towns around Redruth at www.multimap.com
Good luck with your search. Irene
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http://www.familysearch.org
Birth Caroline Jane Landry
25 Nov 1855 Feock Cornwall
Parents William Landry/ Jane
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Many thanks to irret, saddler, Tati & ozchook for your help.
My gut feeling (IBS ? :D) is that the 1861 Cramborne data id the set to fly with - it shows Caroline Jane's correct forenames & also mother Jane & brother Joseph who ended up as her Lancashire neighbours in 1891.
The 1871 Cramborne data shows her as being born in Gwennap - within a whisker of Busveal, which could conceivably have been wrongly transcribed as Pesvail.
My info from familysearch.org was that she was not born on 25 Nov 1855 but that she was christened then. Also that William & Jane Landry had another daughter with the same forenames who was born on 18 April 1850 and christened on 9 Sep 1850. If this is the same parents, could it be that this child died before my Caroline Jane was born and so she "replaced" her?
It's not easy this genealogy lark, is it. Places of birth and ages seem to be changed on a whim.
We seem to have dredged up 3 different spellings of this surname - Landry, Landrey & Laundry. Could there be any more?
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Yes - it seems very likely that they would name another daughter the same as a deceased one.
You were asking for alternative spellings... Here they are in 1851 ;D
HO107/1914 148 18
Gwennap, Cornwall
William Landary, head, 34, Husbandman, b. Duloe?
Jane, wife, 34, b. do.
William H, son, 4, scholar, b. Feock
Stephen, son, 3, b. do.
Caroline J, dau, 11 mo, b. Feock
Elizabeth A, dau, 11mo, b. do.
Seems Caroline J number 1 was a twin... She was registered as Caroline Jane Landery by the way.
I guess the whole family moved to Lancashire at some point. There is a death for a Stephen Landry age 27 registered in Barton upon Irwell June quarter 1874.
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Sorry - not all of them moved:
William H in 1881 (I suppose)
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=1957235
This looks like mother Jane in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=9985134
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If you follow Joseph to confirm his birthplace you get from the 1881 and 1901 censuses.
1881 census RG11 3820 folio 90
21 Heaton's House Rumworth Lancashire
Joseph Landry 30 Giviney, Cornwall, Head Married Fireman at cotton factory
Mary J. Landry 26 Manchester, Lancashire, Wife Married
William H. Gandy 5 Manchester, Lancashire, Nephew
plus 1 boarder
Marriages Mar 1876
Gandy Mary Jane Manchester 8d 205
Landry Joseph Manchester 8d 205
1901 census RG13 3747 folio 77
7 Gray Street Manchester Lancashire
Joseph Landry 48 Gwennap, Cornwall, Head Married Engineer saw mill
Mary J Landry 46 Manchester, Lancashire, Wife Married
James W Landry 19 Bolton, Lancashire, Son Fireman saw mill
This birthplace for Joseph confirms the two earlier censuses in Camborne.
1851 census HO107 1914 folio 148
Gwennap Cornwall
William Landary 34 Duloe, Cornwall, Head Married Husbandman
Jane Landary 34 Duloe, Cornwall, Wife Married
William Landary 4 Feock, Cornwall
Stephen Landary 3 Feock, Cornwall
Caroline J Landary 11mths Gwennap, Cornwall
Elizabeth A Landary 11mths Gwennap, Cornwall
Births Jun 1850
Landery Caroline Jane Redruth 9 272
Landery Elizabeth Ann Redruth 9 272
possible marriage
Marriages Dec 1843
Landery William Truro 9 360
Libby Jane Truro 9 360
as a p.s from my experience with historical records it is men's ages that are the moveable feast. In general woman are much more likely to be more exact about their age. I wouldn't know about modern times. I have no idea whether the stereotype about women's ages is correct.
I once listened to an archivist from The National Archives give a talk and say exactly the same thing.
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Tati & Valda for those extra pieces of information.
Trying to get backwards to my antecedants is getting messier. I now seem to have an inordinate number of alternative spellings of the Landry surname -Landary; Lander; Landery; Landra; Landray; Landre; Landree; Landrew; Landrey; Landri; Lantry; Laudrey; Laundery; Laundrey; Laundrie; Laundry; Laundrye; Lawndrie; Lindrey or even Landor.
I think I'll spend some time on the Gandy branch for the time being.
Thanks to everyone for being most helpful
Alhal
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Hello Alhal,
Five years long enough? ;D
Radio silence from you for ever so long. You there? I replied today to your post in
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,218883.msg1338249.html#msg1338249
The Gandy branch you say. My daughter is getting married next summer in Nova Scotia. I tried to engage Bruce Gandy http://www.brucegandymusic.com/ to pipe at her wedding but he'll be competing at the World Masters and the World Pipe Band Championships in Scotland. That's okay, he recommended another piper, who I have engaged.
Hope to hear some *static* from you soon,
Ann
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I'm Ann Landrey, I'm 61 years old, very much alive in Toronto Canada and new to rootschat. Having a bit of fun before my eyes cross.
Sheviock, absolutely. I cannot thank Fred Hancock, Sheviock OPC, enough.
1871
Jane Landrey head wid 52 Laundress b, Pelynt Cornwall
Ann Landrey daughter 21 invalid b. Sheviock
Richard E son 17 farm lab b. Sheviock
Caroline daughter16 laundress b. Sheviock
William haines lodger 23 smiths lab
William Nichols lodger wid 58 ag lab
Living Villiage Seveock Sheviock Cornwall
Source RG10
Folio 5
Page 3