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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Clackmannanshire => Topic started by: kathox on Tuesday 29 August 06 02:48 BST (UK)
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I would love it if someone could help with this...
I am trying to find a marriage for Thomas Robertson and Jean Wallace in Alloa or somewhere else in Clackmannershire. It would be around 1779 as I have found a baptism for their daughter Catherine in Alloa that year.
I think they then moved to Stirling in Stirlingshire before 1781 where the next child was born.
If the marriage was earlier there may be more children also.
Thanks,
Kathox
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Hi Kathox have you tried scotlandspeople it is a pay to view site but can be very helpful.There is also the chance they had an irregular marriage happy hunting
Cheers KateNZ ::)
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KateNZ,
Yes, thankyou for the suggestion, but I exhausted all the info Scotlands people had to offer before making any posts on Rootschat. I was hoping someody with access to parish records might be able to help me further.
Kathox
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Hi again i had quite a lot of ancestors in Clackmannan and Stirling try the Clackmannan library archives libraries[at]clacks.govt.uk.I have been searching for a number of years for my 3x grandparents marriage and have never found it they possibly they had an irregular marriage it can be very frustrating cant it :)
Good Luck KateNZ
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Stirling Library also hold a lot of the records. The staff are very helpful.
I think if they check for you there is a fee for this.
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I have been trying to find a birth record for james Izatt born in 1854 or 1855 mother Elizabeth Izatt maiden also Izatt I think he may be illegitmate any answers out there
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Hi Llewellyn
Welcome to Rootschat!
The only entry that fits on IGI is an actual extract from the Old Parish Registers:
JAMES IZZATT Birth: 25 APR 1854/ Christening: 14 MAY 1854 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
Parents: Father: GEORGE IZZATT Mother: ELIZABETH PATERSON
Have you been able to confirm mother's maiden name through any documents?
Regards.
Monica
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From a parent search with these names (Izzat and Paterson) on IGI there are a number of submitted and actual birth/marriage records for children to this couple. Do you know of any siblings to your James that would help you confirm whether you have the right family?
Monica
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Llewellyn
On the 1861 Census, there are two James Izatt showing, both age 6. Either one could potentially be yours. One is in DUNFERMLINE LANDWARD/FIFE and the other is in RUTHERGLEN, GLASGOW CITY/LANARK.
I also noticed there is a marriage on IGI between a James Izatt and an Elizabeth Izatt, an actual extract from the OPRs:
ELIZABETH IZAT Marriages: Spouse: JAMES IZAT
Marriage: 27 NOV 1843 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland
These are the children showing for this couple, including a James:
1. GEORGE IZATT Birth: 19 FEB 1844/ Christening:14 APR 1844 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland
2. JAMES IZATT Birth: 12 DEC 1858 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
3. WILLIAM IZATT Birth: 02 DEC 1860 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland
4. WILLIAM IZATT Birth: 02 APR 1856 Saline, Fife, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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thank you for your answers elizabeth"s maiden is izatt her mother and father were william and janet izatt. she married a william keddie when James was 6 years old and believe that is why he sometimes referred to william as his fatherbut he was not,. James later married a mary dryburgh and had 12 children one which was my grandfather Richard Izatt. Thank you again
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Llewellyn
Have you viewed the marriage cert. for Elizabeth Izatt and William Keddie in 1863 in Dunfermline, Fife?
Monica
PS You might be able to tell that I still have hopes for the James Izatt & Elizabeth Izatt family. A James Izatt died in Fife in 1861. I am wondering if it might have been a second marriage for your Elizabeth. The marriage cert would show status, i.e. spinster/ widow.
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Llewellyn
The 1871 Census clearly shows just one child for Elizabeth now in the Keddie household. James son with an age of 17 and birth in Clackmannan. The other James and Elizabeth I think are just a 'red herring'....pity!
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I am trying to find the marriage of John Hall and Margaret?..children Francis born abt. 1830 and Robert Bruce born abt. 1833..1841 census has them in Clackmannan..francis came to Canada in 1854 my GrGrGrandfather and brother Robert Bruce went to England, and help would be appreciated
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Hi Shirldeen
Welcome to RootsChat :)
There are actual extracts for the christenings of a Francis and Robert on IGI, although the years look a little earlier than what you have:
FRANCIS HALL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 FEB 1824 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland
ROBERT HALL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 OCT 1826 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland
This looks like the parents' marriage, an actual extract from the OPRs on IGI:
JOHN HALL Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET MCARTHUR
Marriage: 18 FEB 1808 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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I would like to clarify and further amplify Shirldeen's posting. John Hall (b.1797)Clackmannan (d. 17 June 1860), wife Margaret (suspect Thomson)b.1795. They appear together in the 1841 Scotland census with two sons Francis(b.1829) and Rbt Bruce(b.1833). In the 1851 census Francis reappears in Salsburg, Lanarkshire, Scotland lodging with a Marshall family. He immigrated to Canada in 1854. Rbt Bruce reappears in the 1881 British census in Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England with his wife Sarah and two dtrs Mary and Margaret. He was a Master Mariner. Need to cfm John's wife Margaret's family name, date of marriage and her date of death. Finally, it is suspected John and Margaret also had at least one other son, named John. I apologize for this lengthy reply. For Monica - it appears your individuals are not of the right line. Cheers, Golfer. May I suggest that Shirldeen's original posting, and Monica and Golfer's reply's be removed from the Marriage and baptisms/births in Alloa posting as they are unrelated and place them with John Hall - Clackmannanshire. Is it possible to do this?
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I know this is re-opening an old postin, but came across it by accident :D (checking on the Marshall family).
Did anything come up with the death of John Hall c1860 Golfer as can find no info on SP. Am still (like you) unsure of Margaret ? have been looking at it for a number of years. I always seem to come back to three possibilities.
Margaret mcNaughton, Margaret McArthur and Margaret McDiarmid ???
Has anything new evolved...would love to know.
All the best Patvp
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G'day Pat. Same old, same old. I have a copy of John's Scotland death cert showing wife's name Margaret and Francis' Canadian death cert showing his father's name John. However, Margaret WHO? Dates eliminate McArthur, McNaughton, McDiarmid. In my opinion she is Margaret Thomson, yet to be confirmed. For such a small area, Clackmannan sure had plenty of Halls, including John's and Francis'. Cheers, Golfer.
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Hi Golfer - Like you this is driving me mad.... I cannot even find a DEATH for John, let alone anything else ???.
The only reason I sort of plumped for Margaret McDiarmid was because on the 1851 census Margaret is listed as being born in Kinnoull Fifeshire.
Wonder if it may be worth the money to get a copy of Robert Bruce death cert and see what that says..maybe a long shot ;D.
Even having problems with that family aaagh...Sarah (Hood) and Robert had the two daughters Mary and Margaret and yet in the 1901 census there is a daughter-in-law Winifred born 1881 in Sandhurst, Kent..now how is that possible ::).
Am going nuts here..not good for my blood pressure LOL
All the best..Pat
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G'day Pat. I have a copy of John's death cert but it does not show his wife's name. As well his obit from the Alloa Advertiser of 23 June 1860 is short and sweet: "At Clackmannan, on the 17th inst. after a long illness, Mr John Hall; for a long time clerk to the Clackmannan Coal Company" . That's it, darn. The IGI records John Hall b. 15 Aug 1797 Clackmannan married to Margaret Thomson b. 18 Apr 1797 Kinnoul, Perthshire. Whereas, the 1851 Clack census for John Hall includes "Margaret (age 56) born Kinnoul, Perth". Wouldn't it be fair to surmize that my John Hall was married to Margaret THOMSON. About Rbt Bruce and Sarah Hood. They also had a son John James. Ref 1871 census Sunderland RG10/5009 folio 61 page 58, he is shown as age 8 which would make him 18 married in 1881, Winifred 20. She being from Sandhurst, Kent perhaps John James was in military service. Cheers, Golfer.
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Hello All
I have extract of my 3x great grandparents James Morgan married to Catherine Murray in 1790 in Alloa or Clackamann,but have come to full stop cant find anything else out about them what they did who there parents were .can anyone help me with this and no matter how small thank you
Rakker 6
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According to IGI Marriages
James Morgan or Morrison married Katherine Murray 01 Aug 1790 at Alloa, Clackmannanshire.
Will have another look later, maybe worth while checking MORRISON and see what comes up.
Rgards Patvp
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Thank you Patvp
will do there son Andrew Bennett Morgan he died in 1873 and it had James morgan and Catherine morgan nee murray as his parents they were already dead James was a he was Tailor,just thought this might help abit
Rakker6
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Hi Rakker6 - Assume you have his death cert, do you have approx date of birth ?? and where he died..any other info may help, can find no Morgan on IGI and no ANDREW Morgan or Morrison..so every little bit may help. ;D
Regards Patvp
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Hello Patvp1
I got this from Scotlandspeople as follows
Andrew Bennett Morgan died 14/07/1873 age 68
widower of Jane Marshall
44 Pitt Street Bonnington Leith
parents .James Morgan occ Tailor ,deceased
Catherine Murray deceased
informant .James Cowan Morgan Son,present at death
address.3 ?place Bonnington Leith could,nt make the name out of the place
Andrew and Jane did live in Midlothian hope this information helps
Rakker6