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Evening people
I have searched the usual freebmd website to find my ancester Thomas (Philip) Hancock. I have found him on several census, his marriage in 1879 to Harriet Good but I cannot find his birth. (If indeed it was registered)
The different census make his birth year circa 1859 and stated that his was born in portsmouth/portsea.
Many thanks in advance.
Tracy
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Hi Tracy
FreeBMD is not complete, but an ongoing project. You need to search the complete GRO indexes before you can say for certain that it might not be registered. This can be found on
http://www.ancestry.co.uk
It is free to search - choose the complete images not the partial records, which are merely a copy of the FreeBMD site.
Nell
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Thanks Little Nell
A bit confused....and after your expertise advice...
I went back onto freebmd website and in fact ended up finding a Thomas Phillips Hancock - Jun 1858. I downloaded the actual document to check the GRO details are correct but it was not to clear if it was page 338 or 358 (2b is the vol) on the original.
I thought I would do a cross reference and see if it was on Ancestry. Nothing is listed under the Q2 June 1858 vol 2b pg 338 or 358 district Portsea on Ancestry - which makes me more confused. If it is on freebmd should it not be on Ancestry? Is there another way of checking - without having to visit the Family Records Centre in London?
Kind regards
Tracy
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Hi,I was just reading your posting.I found it on FreeBMD by listing Portsea as birthplace and it says June 1858,vol 2b,page 358.Rather than order through GRO you can contact Portsmouth Records Office and they normally send certificates out faster than GRO London.Good luck.
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Many thanks Ch3eky
Tracy
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THOMAS PHILIP HANCOCK
Christening: 11 SEP 1859 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother: MARIA
Siblings
ANN ELIZABETH HANCOCK Birth: 29 JAN 1857
Christening: 11 SEP 1859 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
JAMES EDWARD HANCOCK Christening: 21 MAY 1865 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
EMILY MARIA HANCOCK Christening: 23 DEC 1866 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
JULIA EMMA HANCOCK Christening: 05 APR 1868 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
THOMAS HANCOCK
MARIA ANN STICKLAND
Marriage: 05 JUL 1856 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Husband Age at Marriage: 21
Wife Age at Marriage: 20
The birth registration for Thomas Phillips Hancock is on Ancestry in the GRO index for June quarter Portsea volume 2b, but the page numbering isn't clear - it is either 358 or 338.
Portsmouth registry office address is
Location Portsmouth
Address
Milldam House
Burnaby Road
Portsmouth
PO1 3AF
Tel +44 (0)23 9282 9041
Credit and Debit cards are accepted
Regards
Valda
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Dear Valda
Many many thanks.
See this website is excellent with all the experts on it able to help individuals out. I was searching and searching not able to find anything - including the wedding between Thomas and Maria.
Its very much appreciated to you all for helping out. :D
Tracy
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1861 census RG9 640 folio 70
7 Witton Place Portsea Hampshire
Thomas Hancock 25 Portsea, Hampshire, Head Married Rope Makers Labourer
Maria Hancock 24 Portsea, Hampshire, Wife Married
Ann E Hancock 4 Portsea, Hampshire, Daughter
Thomas P Hancock 2 Portsea, Hampshire, Son
George W Hancock 1 Portsea, Hampshire, Son
1871 ensus RG10 1138 folio 69
8 Lord Street Portsea Hampshire
Thomas Hancock 35 Landport, Portsmouth Head Married Labourer Dockyard
Maria Hancock 34 Landport, Portsmouth Wife Married Staymaker
Thomas P Hancock 12 Landport, Portsmouth Son
Jane A Hancock 9 Landport, Portsmouth Daughter
Ellen L Hancock 8 Landport, Portsmouth Daughter
Emily M Hancock 4 Landport, Portsmouth Daughter
Julia E Hancock 3 Landport, Portsmouth Daughter
Fanny Hancock 9mths Landport, Portsmouth Daughter
You will need to check this 1851 census entry against the details Thomas junior gives on his marriage for his father.
1851 census HO107 1659 folio 376
Swanmore Place Portsea Hampshire
Thos Hancock 42 Portsea, Hampshire, Head Married Cabinet maker
Mary Hancock 35 Farlington, Hampshire, Wife Married
Thos Hancock 15 Landport, Hampshire, Son
Walter Hancock 2? or 12 Landport, Hampshire, Son
Harriett Hancock 5 Landport, Hampshire, Daughter
Henry Hancock 3 Landport, Hampshire, Son
Willm Hancock 11mths Landport, Hampshire, Son
James Smith 25 Landport, Hampshire, Wife's Brother Married Sawyer
Margaret Smith 25 Landport, Hampshire, Wife's Sister-in-law Married
HARRIET HANCOCK
Birth: 26 FEB 1845
Christening: 25 AUG 1850 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother: MARY
HENRY HANCOCK
Birth: 16 AUG 1847
Christening: 25 AUG 1850 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire,
Father: THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother: MARY
WILLIAM HANCOCK
Christening: 25 AUG 1850 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother: MARY
a possible second marriage for Thomas but this would mean either James Smith was Mary's half brother or Mary was a widow on her marriage. If it is the correct marriage you will have the details of Thomas senior's father.
THOMAS HANCOCK
MARY FORD
Marriage: 12 MAY 1844 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
WALTER HANCOCK
Christening: 16 MAY 1841 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire,
Father: THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother: JANE
THOMAS HANCOCK
Christening: 06 SEP 1835 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother: JANE
GEORGE HANCOCK
Christening: 18 AUG 1833 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother: JANE
THOMAS HANCOCK
JANE PARSONS
Marriage: 12 FEB 1832 Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire
Not the easiest census entry to find
1841 census HO107 414/7 folio 34 page 23
Crasswell Street Portsea Town Hampshire
Thomas Hencoch 30 Hampshire Cabinet maker
Jane Hencoch 30 Hampshire
Thomas Hencoch 6 Hampshire
Wallter Hencoch 1mth Hampshire
Thomas senior's second marriage should help confirm the details of his father to be sure of the baptism entry
THOMAS HANCOCK
Birth: 21 MAY 1808
Christening: 20 NOV 1808 Saint John, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother: ANN
possible siblings
GEORGE HANCOCK
Christening: 15 JUN 1800 Saint John, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother: ANN
HARRIOT HANCOCK
Birth: 09 AUG 1805
Christening: 17 NOV 1805 Saint John, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother: ANN
Regards
Valda
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1841 census HO107 415/3 folio 37 page 2
Military Row Portsea Town Hampshire
George Stickland 25 Labourer
Elizabeth Stickland 25 Hampshire
Maria Stickland 5 Hampshire
George Stickland 3 Hampshire
1851 census HO107 1659 folio 170
26 St Vincent Street Portsea Hampshire
George Stickland 35 Pool, Dorset, Head Married Pattern Maker
Elizabeth Stickland 39 Portsea, Hampshire, Wife Married
Maria Stickland 15 Portsea, Hampshire, Daughter
George Stickland 13 Portsea, Hampshire, Son
John Stickland 9 Portsea, Hampshire, Son
Susannah Thompson 49 Blakney, Norfolk, Visitor Widow
Elizabeth Stickland 17 Portsea, Hampshire, Visitor
possible marriage
GEORGE STICKLAND
ELIZABETH YOUNG
Marriage: 07 JUL 1831 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
MARIA ANN STICKLAND
Christening: 25 JUN 1837 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: GEORGE STICKLAND
Mother: ELIZABETH
JOHN STICKLAND
Christening: 11 SEP 1831 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: GEORGE STICKLAND
Mother: ELIZABETH
ELIZABETH STICKLAND
Birth: 01 JUN 1833
Christening: 04 JUN 1837 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: GEORGE STICKLAND
Mother: ELIZABETH
but also
ELIZABETH HUNTLEY STICKLAND
Christening: 12 OCT 1828 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father: GEORGE STICKLAND
Mother: ELIZABETH
Deaths Mar 1864
Stickland George Portsea 2b 316
There seem quite a few potential George Strickland baptisms in Poole
Regards
Valda
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Excellent Valda.
Apologies for taking so long to thank you. ;D