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Please forgive me if I have posted my request in the wrong place (newbie to site).If site moderator needs to move my post I understand.
Can anyone help me trace my grandmothers details ;
Elizabeth Blackmuir (m/n) born 1898 possibly in North East England she died in 1955 Hebburn on Tyne County Durham.
She had two sisters that I am aware of Mary and Totty Blackmuir, and their father was called George Blackmuir who for a time lodged in Carter Ave Hebburn County Durham.
The only other details that I have is that she married Benjamin Ford 1923/24 and for a good few years they lived in Cuthbert Street Hebburn County Durham.
Any help no matter how small the links would be magic for my research............sincere thank you to anyone who can help.............Summer
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March quarter 1924 Marriage S. Shields volume 10a page 1222
Benjamin Ford
Elizabeth F Blackmur
Births Sep 1897
Blackmur Elizabeth Fowler South Shields 10a 848
1901 census RG13 4742 folio 140
51 Derby Street Jarrow Durham
George Blackmur 49 Yarmouth, Norfolk, Head Widower Mechanic worker (Drill)
Eliza Blackmur 16 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter
Thomasina Blackmur 15 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter
Polly Blackmur 6 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter
Elizabeth Blackmur 4 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter
Births Mar 1885
Blackmur Eliza S.Shields 10a 796a
Births Dec 1886
Blackmur Thomason S. Shields 10a 773
Births Mar 1895
Blackmur Mary Ann S. Shields 10a 879
1891 census RG12 4164 folio 142
107 High Street Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow Durham
George Blackmore 39 Needam, Norfolk, Head Married Driller
Thomason Blackmore 38 Seaton, Northumberland, Wife Married
Eliza Blackmore 6 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter
Thomason Blackmore 4 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter
Minnie Blackmore 2 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter
Mary E Blackmore 7mths Jarrow, Durham, Daughter
Births Dec 1888
BLACKMUR Minnie S. Shields 10a 771
Births Sep 1890
Blackmur Mary Elizabeth S. Shields 10a 854
Deaths Sep 1891
Blackmur Elizabeth 1 S. Shields 10a 431
Deaths Sep 1900
Blackmoor Thomasina 47 S. Shields 10a 455
and possibily
Births Sep 1882
Blackmur George William S. Shields 10a 766a
Deaths Jun 1885
Blackmur George William 2 S. Shields 10a 438
Marriages Jun 1882
Blackmur George Albert South Shields 10a 957
?
PRINGLE Thomas S. Shields 10a 957
1881 census RG11 5025 folio 62
4 Prince Consort Road Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow Durham
Christopher Paxman 33 Peasenhall, Suffolk, Head Married Fireman at papermill
Elizabeth Pheba Paxman 33 London, Middlesex, Wife Married
Christopher Geo. Paxman 9 Statham, Norfolk, Son
Alice Damaris Paxman 7 Dockings, Norfolk, Daughter
Geo. Albert Blackmore 28 Fish Needham, Norfolk, Brother in Law Unmarried Barman
Rosa Blackmore 18 Fish Needham, Norfolk, Sister in law Paper finisher
plus 1 lodger
1881 census RG11 5025 folio 65
3 Clervison Terrace Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow Durham
no parents recorded
Sarah Jane Pringle 20 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter
Thomason Pringle 27 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter
Thomas William Pringle 18 Backworth, Northumberland, Son Apprentice joiner
Robert Wm. Marshall 10 Tynemouth, Northumberland, Grandson
Mary J. Marshall 9 Jarrow, Durham, Granddaughter
Isabella Marshall 7 Jarrow, Durham, Granddaughter
1881 census RG11 5021 folio 65
Telegraph Hotel 116 High Street Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow Durham
Mary Ann Pringle 58 North Shields, Northumberland, Head Married Hotel Keeper
George Pringle 35 Seghill, Northumberland, Son Unmarried Hotel keeper assistant
Eliza T. Pringle 22 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter Hotel Keeper asssistant
I can't see father William Pringle in 1881.
Regards
Valda
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1871 census RG10 1795 folio 32
Sutton Norfolk
George Blackmor 49 Needham, Suffolk, Head Married Farm Bailiff
Elizabeth Blackmor 40 Portsmouth, Hampshire, Wife Married
George Blackmor 19 Needham, Suffolk, Son Sutton Norfolk Malster
Rosa Blackmor 7 Needham, Suffolk, Daughter
Missing 1861
1851 census HO107 1821 folio 172
Street Needham Norfolk
George Blackmur 30 Needham, Norfolk, Head Married Ag lab
Elizabeth Blackmur 28 Portsmouth, Hampshire, Wife
Elizabeth Blackmur 3 Finsbury, Middlesex, Daughter
John David Blackmur 1 Needham, Norfolk, Son
next door
John Blackmur 74 Needham, Norfolk, Head Married Farm 62 acres 2 labourers
Ann Blackmur 62 Westwell, Norfolk, Wife Married
Phebe Patterson 23 Westwell, Norfolk, Daughter Married Servant
plus 1 servant
Marriages Jun 1847
Blackmur George Shoreditch 2 348
Fowler Elizabeth Shoreditch 2 348
Which is where your grandmother's middle name of Fowler came from
Births Mar 1848
BLACKMUR Elizabeth Phoebe Shoreditch 2 475
Births Mar 1850
Blackmur John David Depwade 13 43
Births Jun 1852
BLACKMUR George Albert Depwade 4b 217
Births Mar 1863
BLACKMUR Rosa Depwade 4b 233
1841 census HO107 758/24 folio 9 page 12
Needham Norfolk
John Blackmur 64 Norfolk Farmer
Ann Blackmur 54 Norfolk
George Blackmur 18 Norfolk Servant
Pheaby Blackmur 13 Norfolk
Elizabeth Blackmur 6 Norfolk
John Wheer? 9 Norfolk
Louisa Wheer? 6 Norfolk
next door
Mary Ann Wheer? 28 Norfolk Fruiterer
Mary 12 Wheer? Norfolk
Martha 8 Wheer? Norfolk
Whalter 2 Wheer? Norfolk
Regards
Valda
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1871 census RG10 5115 folio 129
Allotment Preston Northumberland
William Pringle 45 Northland, Ollotment Head Married Grocer
Mary Ann Pringle 47 Northland, Shields Wife Married
Thomasann Pringle 17 Northland, Delavel Daughter
Eliza Pringle 12 Northland, Backworth Daughter
Sarah Pringle 10 Northland, Backworth Daughter
Thomas W Pringle 7 Northland, Backworth Son
1861 census RG9 3847 folio 39
Rivale House Backworth Northumberland
William Pringle 35 Prot Hill, Northumberland, Head Married ? keeper
Mary A Pringle 37 North Shields, Northumberland, Wife Married
George Pringle 14 Seghill, Northumberland, Son
Hannah Pringle 12 Delavall, Northumberland, Daughter
Thomason Pringle 7 Delavall, Northumberland, Daughter
Mary A Pringle 4 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter
Eliza Taylor Pringle 2 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter
Sarah J Pringle 3mths Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter
Births Mar 1861
PRINGLE Sarah Jane Tynemouth 10b 172
Births Jun 1853
Pringle Thomasine Tynemouth 10b 142
1851 census HO107 2412 folio 110
Farmer's Row Seaton Delavel Northumberland
William Pringle 25 Northd, Backwell Married Lead Miner
Mary A Pringle 26 Northd, No Shields Wife
George Pringle 4 Northd, Seghill Son
Hannah Pringle 2 Northd, Seaton Delaval Daughter
Anthony Pringle 28 Northd, Backworth Brother Married Lead Miner
Elisabeth Pringle 26 Thornley, Durham, Sister-in-law Married
Jane Pringle 4 Whitmarsh, Durham, Niece Seaton
Hannah Pringle 2 Whitmarsh, Durham, Niece
Anthony would appear to be Andrew
1841 census HO107 820/12 ED2 page 1
Backworth North pit Northumberland
Andrew Pringle 45 Colliery lab
Hannah Pringle 45
Charles Pringle 20 Colliery lab
Joseph Pringle 20 Northumberland Colliery labourer
Andrew Pringle 15 Northumberland Coal miner
William Pringle 15 Northumberland Coal miner
Mary Ann Pringle 13 Northumberland
George Pringle 7 Northumberland
Hannah Pringle 5 Northumberland
all adult ages (those over 15) rounded down to nearest 5
1851 census HO107 2394 folio 644
Waggoners Row Great Usworth Durham
Andrew Pringle 56 Lumley, Durham, Head Married Banksman
Hanah Pringle 56 Reighton, Durham, Wife Married
George Pringle 16 Backworth, Northumberland, Son
Hanah Pringle 14 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter
PRINGLE, William
Christening Date:4 Sep 1825 Christ Church Tynemouth, Northumberland
Father: Andrew PRINGLE
Mother: Hannah
PRINGLE, Charles
Birth Date: 2 May 1818
Christening Date:18 Jul 1819 Christ Church Tynemouth, Northumberland
Father: Andrew PRINGLE
Mother: Hannah
PRINGLE, Joseph
Christening Date:1 Oct 1820 Christ Church Tynemouth, Northumberland
Father: Andrew PRINGLE
Mother: Hannah
PRINGLE, Andrew Morris
Christening Date:16 Mar 1823 Christ Church Tynemouth, Northumberland
Father: Andrew PRINGLE
Mother: Hannah
Regards
Valda
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Dear Valda......
What can I say but a very sincere Thank You
for all the fantastic information that you have posted.
Truly it must have taken you hours...I have tried a few times to find links on the census returns, but with no luck at all..
When I posted the original request, I thought maybe..just maybe, I may get a few leads......
When I opened the site and saw all the details you had found....ahh!! truly my heart was racing, my head spinning.....
As a Newbie I have to ask ..What is your secret?......
In time I hope that I can help others, the way you have helped me.......truly thank you....ahh!! the (happy)tears have started again..... x Summer
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Dear Valda
I forgot to say yes they are all my relations......the amount of names that have been used time and time again each generation......and they are still being used to this day.
Mega magic hugs...to say thank you again.......Summer
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Summer,
I have written the entries as they appear on the census pages not as they are indexed.
Blackmur in particular gets misindexed and the 1901 census was an opening stumbling block. Plus you had given Blackmuir not Blackmur.
I found the 1924 reference for the marriage on the Ancestry Beta index and that the surname was Blackmur.
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx
and then searched for the birth registration for Elizabeth on FreeBMD so I knew her birth area
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
and then tried again to find the crucial 1901 census entry using Elizabeth Bla* with an age within 5 years of her known age and a birthplace in her case merely the county of Durham and trawled through the possibilities. The asterisk in a search represents letters you are not sure of and is very useful in names that are mispelt and misindexed. The family were indexed as Blacknell which is someway from your original Blackmuir.
Finding Thomason was also not easy as you don't expect to find a marriage indexed for a woman as Thomas (and there were two Thomases indexed to that particular marriage - so which was it - if any)? Pringle again is another surname misindex and harder to spot until you realise it is mostly going to be Pingle. The Pringles were harder than the Blackmurs. William Pringle never gave the same birthplace on any census and neither did Thomason and therefore it helps to have local knowledge of place names when searching which I didn't have, so I was much slower knowing to change from searching from a birthplace of Seaton to a birthplace of Delavel.
To find Thomason's mother's maiden name and search for her on the 1841 census and find her marriage to William, you are probably going to have to get Thomason's birth certificate, or wait for FreeBMD to complete transcribing the marriages for that period.
This shows their coverage so far.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progress.shtml
Regards
Valda
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Dear Vada........wow! It would have taken me years to find out all the links you posted. My grandmothers maiden name spelling was from my late mother.
As it is I have a lovely photo of Elizabeth when she was in hospital a few years before she died, she was beautiful, clear perfect skin, bright sparkly eyes and silver hair......
When her hubby (Benjamin ) re-married after her death, his new wife got rid of lots of the family photos and documents, on that side (shame..) my Aunts and Uncles were not to pleased I can tell you.
So the photo I have of Elizabeth is precious.......
Sincere thank you again, for everything.......Summer x
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Its been a good while since I did any research on my family roots. Only recently as I viewed the many past replies and all the help given, by so many on the site..truly I am forever thankful.
So once more I send a 'Sincere- Thank You' to those who gave me help and advice...truly each and every one of you have hearts of gold. A trillion blessings Summers
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Where the family lived for those baptisms in Tynemouth Christ Church. For William they lived Northumberland Square, Shiremoor, For Andrew Morris and Joseph they lived Murton's Row.
Janis
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Each time I read through the details of my Grandmother and the family members also listed above , my eyes fill up with tears..as I was very young when my Grandmother Elizabeth died, and I only have the one very treasured photograph...Researching 'Family History' is truly so very rewarding..so if any Newbie members read this message..I say start now and never, ever give up seeking your 'Roots'.. blessings Summers