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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Huntingdonshire => England => Huntingdonshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: johnP-bedford on Monday 21 August 06 22:52 BST (UK)
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Hi, I'm looking for any info on christening & parents & siblings of Robert Allen, born around 1815 at Brampton, Hunts.
I have him on all census from 1841, he married Sarah Taylor in Middlesex in 1834 & moved back to Hemingford Abbotts for 1851.
Thanks in advance for looking
Regards John
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Hi John
Connected at last, but still no telephone
Brampton is one of those parishes where the only place you can get at the parish register is Huntingdon records office. They've not been filmed by the LDS.
I believe they have been indexed at Huntingdon though - they did a look up for me a year ago at a very reasonable price, although you're rather closer to Huntingdon than I am
All the best
David
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Just had a very speedy response (next day) from Hunts RO to my email request for a marriage in Brampton. They have the transcribed and original registers there, and their charges are very reasonable.
Regards,
Gill
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thanks for that - seems like I need to plan for a visit - I have other Hunts ancestors to look up as well - better check opening times
John
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After visit to Hunts record office - yes Brampton BMD fully transcribed ...
Possible my Robert Allen chr 26 July 1813, son of John & Susannah Allen , Mason.
A number of other children christened to John & Susannah between 1807 & 1825.
Most likely marriage John Allen of Brampton to Susannah Brasgurdel of Huntingdon St John at Huntingdon on Feb 18 1806.
The 1851 census has a Susannah Allen, b 1782 Easton, Hunts, widow living in Brampton with children John 1821 & Emma 1815
Cannot find the family on 1841 - can anybody out there find them ?
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Hi John
I see from the 1851 census that John b 1821 was a bricklayer. In 1841 there is this rather odd household in Brampton
John Allen 20 Bricklayer
Eunice 15
Bridget Peters 10 (very difficult to read the age)
All born in county.
Not having any luck with Susanna or Emma so far.
Barbara
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Thanks Barbara, That made me do some more research.
This most likely is son John, as I have a baptism of a Unice on 26 July 1824 also a child of John & Susannah Allen, Bricklayer.
The Bridget Peters b 1831 I have found on 1851 being niece of James Lucas & Bridget (ne Allen) age 59, plus nephew George Allen age 30. On 1841 James & Bridget Lucas are in Brampton together with George Allen & James Peters & Amos Peters.
On 1851 this Amos Peters is with Susannah Allen being her nephew.
The Bridget Allen (wife of James Lucas) has a christening on 22 July 1792 at Brampton, daughter of Matthew & Bridget Allen, labourer
Regards John
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I have also a John Allen chr Nov 4 1781 to parents Matthew & Bridget Allen, labourer. With the Bridget / Amos Peters niece / nephew appearing in common households suggests John Allen (who married Susannah) & Bridget Allen (who married James Lucas) may well be brother & sister.
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Hi, John
I don't suppose you have among your Allens a Thomas Quincey Allen born c1819, married in 1840 to Elizabeth Fairey/Fairy/Farey. He died aged 21 in 1842 and was buried 19.04.1842 in Conington. Both marriage and death were registered under Huntingdon.
Just a thought.
Gill :)
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Hello Gillg, You suppose right - if he turns up I'll let you know
Regards John
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Thanks, John.
I'm also interested in your Susannah Brasgurdel, not just because of her wonderful surname, but because you have her as born in Easton, and it's not a surname I've come across in Easton researches for my Fairey family there.
Regards,
Gill
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Hi there,
As John discovered I am also descended from Robert ALLEN's parents, John and Susannah ALLEN via their youngest daughter, Eunice.
Other family members are also researching this ALLEN line and have made the following comments to your posts. [All information is sourced from Brampton Parish Registers unless otherwise stated].
"1. Robert Allen, son of John and Susannah (Brasgurdel/Bracegirdle), bapt 26 July, 1813 at Brampton.
Siblings, all bapt in Brampton were:
William, bapt 27 July, 1807, married Ann Heffer/Hepher in Needingworth, 1829;
Robert, bapt 25 Dec 1808 [prob. buried 20 Aug, 1811]
Matthew, bapt 13 Jan, 1811, married (i) ? (ii) Alice Smith, 8 Aug 1839, St.
Mary's, Haggerston, Middx;
Rhoda, bapt Herodias 24 July 1815, married George Ashbridge, 11 Oct 1837 at Alconbury;
Thomas, bapt 11 May 1817, married Mary Ann(e) Carter, 1846;
John, bapt 24 July 1820, married Charlotte Allen (sic), 12 Jan 1853;
Eunice, Bapt 26 July, 1824, married George Allen (the son of John's brother, William), 16 May, 1853.
2. 1841 Census: John ALLEN died on 8 Dec, 1840 so was not alive. His widow Susannah was with their son Matthew ALLEN , his wife and daughter, both Alice, and his brother Thomas, in Worship St. Shoreditch on the census [HO 107/709/9 folio 14 p20].
3. 1851 Census: John and Eunice ALLEN were brother and sister (both married others in 1853). Bridget Peters was their cousin, daughter of their aunt Eunice (nee Allen) and James Peters. Eunice died in 1836 and the children were with various other family members.
I think 'Emma' is an enumerator's transcription error for Eunice - this is the only place I have seen the name "Emma ALLEN" and I cannot find Eunice anywhere else on this census.
4. Susannah Brasgurdel/Brasgirdle/Bracegirdle was possibly the daughter of William Bracegirdle and Elizabeth Hainsworth, who were married at Easton in 1774."
We hope this will be helpful!
Cheers
Wendy
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Thanks Wendy - very helpful
Did Robert's father John Allen who died Dec 1840 do so in Huntindonshire or Middlesex. As his mother & 2 brothers are there in 1841, it explains why Robert married local girl Sarah Taylor of Shoreditch in 1834.
Also noticed Bridget Peters married George Warren in Mar 1853 on same vol/page as John Allen & Charlotte Allen.
Now going back a generation using info from Brampton PR, you may know this - if so could you please confirm.
Matthew Allen of Alconbury, married Bridget Woodley of Buckden, on Dec 12 1780, they had ... christenings at Brampton
John Allen 4 Nov 1781
Mathew Allen 25 July 1785
Bridget Allen 22 July 1792
William Allen 22 June 1795 -- buried 20 July 1795
Eunice Allen 24 July 1796 -- buried 27 Jan 1797
William Allen 25 June 1798
Eunice Allen 15 June 1800
Rhoda Allen 25 Dec 1803 -- buried 14 May 1804
note mother Bridget Allen buried 25 Dec 1803 age 47 (so born abt 1756)
.... & father Matthew Allen buried 4 March 1833 age 73 (so born abt 1760)
A Matthew Allen, widower married Ann Bird widow on 14 Feb 1804
Most times Matthew is described as a labourer, but on the burials of wife Bridget & final daughter Rhoda he is a woodman.
Regards John
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Hello John, i too am researching that same family ,robert is my 4x grandfather someone was kind enough to send me the link to this post as this is where i have got to in my research, so where do you fit in i am so curious. thank you carrij
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Hello carrij, & welcome to RootsChat :)
I just had to go & look at my tree ... here is the simple/direct line.
Robert Allen b 1813 Brampton married Sarah Taylor on 24/8/1834 at Shoreditch.
They had daughter Alice Allen, b 1855 Hemingford Abbots, Hunts.
Alice married Thomas Bishop, b 1857 Hemingford Grey, on 18/07/1882 at Hem Abbots
They had daughter Mabel Allen Bishop b 1887 Bedford
She went on to be 2nd wife to my grandfather Frederick Partridge, married on 17/06/1918
My father Kenneth was born 1920 in Bedford & I was born in 1947.
I have details of other children to each of these marriages if you are interested.
Regards John
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HI john, that was a fast reply :) thank you for the welcome i am still trying to find my feet so to speak as i am pretty new to this family research stuff, i had not got that far yet so yes please any info you have would be great thank you. I have just sent my aunt the good news as we have both been looking for roberts parents so i am sure she will be thrilled, and any tips you want to give me on searches will be greatly appreciated , are you researching all the allen family or just certain members ? do yu have marriage certificate for robert and sarah the reason i ask is that i do if you do not have it i shall gladly send it to you, and if you are doing the whole allen line i have some war records on one and other stuff too not alot but it all helps .
take care carrij
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Carrie
The children of John Allen & Sarah Bracegirdle are as laid out on Wendy (SpinnersChase) posting above.
Children of Robert Allen & Sarah Ann Taylor are as follows :-
Robert - chr 23/08/1835 Stepney
Matthew John -chr 13/09/1837 Whitechapel
Ann - chr 09/02/1840 Stepney
Thomas - b 1843 Stepney
Mary - b 1845 Shoreditch
William - b 1847 Shoreditch, chr age 16 21/06/1863 Hemingford Abbots
Sarah Ann - b 1849 Hemingford Abbots, died 1858
George - b 1853 Hemingford Abbots
Alice - b 25/06/1855 Hemingford Abbots
Walter Charles - b 1858 Hemingford Abbots
Before I give more details, let me know which of these Allen's you descend from & I will give you that first, rather than list the lot now.
I have not investigated all these Allens, just those that were identifiable from census & BMD entries. When I went to Hunts record office I did write down every Allen I found baptised, married & buried from the Brampton PR (1790-1820) just in case.
Regards John
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hello john thomas born 1843 was my great great grandfather but i am doing all the allens. I have the wedding certificate for thomas b 1843 robert is the father but it is witnessed by sarah's father and a mary as the allen witness you would'nt happen to know who that mary is would you ? Any info on the allens of brampton would be wonderfull thank, am wondering if you could give me a little help re parishes etc , i read somewhere that bramton may have been called something else in the 1700's do you know what it was called please ? And do you know where i can find a list of churches that were in brampton in the 16/1700's thank you . Carrij
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Hi Carriej
Forgive me for butting in John. The best starting place to look for information on parishes is on www.genuki.com
There's no mention on there of an alternative name. Each parish had just the one established church at that time - St Mary Magdelene in the case of Brampton (although a larger town could have a number of parishes - but there was just the one in Brampton).
Regards
David
(the same one as last night on the other message board)
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Hi David thank you so much for your help . carrij
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Carrie, Sorry I do not have any info on your Thomas Allen. I am assuming witness 'Sarah's father' indicates Thomas's wife was named Sarah. The witness 'Mary' if named Allen could be Thomas's sister ?
Regards John
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Ok I am widening the net a bit ....
We've established that Robert Allen is son of John Allen & Susannah Bracegirdel. I am pretty sure John is son of Matthew Allen of Alconbury, who married Bridget Woodley of Buckden, on Dec 12 1780.
... and I'm sure that these had another son William chr 25 June 1798.
I'm now looking for a marriage of William to a Maria ?
They had George in 1820, James 1822 & William 1825
Can someone please find the marriage of William & Maria
Thanks John
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Hi John
There's a William and Mary Redhead in 1818 in Elton, but that's a bit of a hike from Alconbury.
Where was George baptised? Do you have them in censuses?
Regards
David
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Hello David
George (5/MAY/1820) & other children of William & Maria Allen, Bricklayer were baptised in Brampton. George married his cousin Eunice Allen in June 1853, (Eunice born 1824 daughter of John & Susannah Bracegurdel).
On 1851 George is nephew in household of James Lucas & wife Bridget b 1792
- who most likely is sister to William & John.
Cheers John
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Hi John,
I was in Conington over the weekend and there are lots of Allens in the churchyard all buried side by side. I've posted some background info on another topic
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,100207.0.html
hope it helps in some way
Best wishes
Tony
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Hello Tony, Thanks for the information; however I have not yet found a link from my Allens of Brampton to any at Conington. I see on the map Conington is a few miles up the A1 from Brampton so perhaps not linked at all - who knows. Perhaps if you noted their names & dates & let me know I'll have a look in Hunts Record office when I go in December (if not sooner)
Regards John
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Hello to all,
I found this thread whilst Googling for information on the Allen family of Brampton. Not sure if it is of interest to anyone, but Robert Allen, whom this thread began with, had a brother John (also mentioned previously). This John married Charlotte Allen, from a completey seperate set of Allens as far as I can tell. This other set of Allens are the ancestors of my own family and I have an ever-growing tree containing Charlotte's brother Thomas, and many generations from him directly down to me! If anyone is interested in sharing info in this area, please post and let me know :)
~VMS~
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Hello VMS & welcome to RootsChat
For the record, my paternal grandfather married Mabel Bishop, daughter of Thomas Bishop & Alice Allen b 1855. Alice was daughter of Robert Allen & Sarah.
I know Robert had brother John b 1820 but I haven't looked into what happened to him.
Regards John
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Hi everyone, not sure if I'm doing this right, so here goes. I am also researching the ALLEN family from Brampton, I stem from Christian ALLEN daughter of John ALLEN and Rachel BROWN who marr. Henry TRAVELL. I go back as far as John ALLEN and Mary JACKSON, then Thomas and Christian.
I am frustrated that I can't find a birth nor parents for Rachel BROWN, so any help or ideas would be appreciated with this one.
I was lucky enough to have a lady look up some records in Brampton for me a couple of years ago but I am curious to know which ALLEN family that a John ALLEN that married my Charlotte ALLEN comes from.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Best wishes,
Maree :)
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Hello Maree and welcome to Rootschat.
When did John marry Charlotte roughly please?
Barbara
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Hello Maree and welcome to Rootschat.
When did John marry Charlotte roughly please?
Barbara
Hi Barbara, I have 1853 with a ?
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Hello Maree
Looking at the censuses I would say that John is the son of Susanna and is the one discussed right at the beginning of this thread.
He has the occupation of bricklayer in 1841 and 1851 and also in 1861 when he is with wife Charlotte - assuming I have the correct couple :)
Barbara
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Hello Maree & Barbara
The John Allen baptised 24/07/1820 was son of John Allen & Susannah Bracegurdel. He married Charlotte Allen on 12/01/1853. She was baptised 16/6/1816 at Brampton, daughter of John Allen & Rachel Brown.
Regards
John
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Thanks for confirming that John - the names seemed familiar.
I have a distant connection to the Allen family as Jane Allen b Brampton 1839 married in to my Purser family.
Barbara
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Hello Maree
Looking at the censuses I would say that John is the son of Susanna and is the one discussed right at the beginning of this thread.
He has the occupation of bricklayer in 1841 and 1851 and also in 1861 when he is with wife Charlotte - assuming I have the correct couple :)
Barbara
Hi Barbara,
Thank you for the census info - it gets confusing with so many ALLEN's.
Maree
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Thanks for confirming that John - the names seemed familiar.
I have a distant connection to the Allen family as Jane Allen b Brampton 1839 married in to my Purser family.
Barbara
I just checked, I have a connection to Jane Allen who marr. Purser, she is my 1st cousin, x4.
Cheers
Maree
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Thank you John,
I had no idea who John's parents were - I have Charlotte's Will but it only mentions her side of the family and who her sister's married - that was the only way I knew I was on the right track. With so many Allen's and then my Allen marrying into Allen I was totally confused. I stem from Charlotte's sister, Christian.
Cheers
Maree
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Maree
I am amazed! I have found very few even distant connections with my Purser family.............do tell me more :)
Jane married George 13 August 1863 in Brampton and they had 3 children. The last one was born at about the same time as George died in 1867.
Jane remarried in 1876 to William Upex.
My ancestor Lucy Purser (my 3 x great grandmother) was George's sister. She married and lived in London but was obviously visiting Brampton in 1874 as her baby son died there on 23 July 1874 and was buried there.
It was finding the baby's death certificate that gave me the clues to Lucy's origins. Jane Purser registered the baby's death.
Barbara
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Maree
I am amazed! I have found very few even distant connections with my Purser family.............do tell me more :)
Jane married George 13 August 1863 in Brampton and they had 3 children. The last one was born at about the same time as George died in 1867.
Jane remarried in 1876 to William Upex.
My ancestor Lucy Purser (my 3 x great grandmother) was George's sister. She married and lived in London but was obviously visiting Brampton in 1874 as her baby son died there on 23 July 1874 and was buried there.
It was finding the baby's death certificate that gave me the clues to Lucy's origins. Jane Purser registered the baby's death.
Barbara
Hi Barbara,
I have Jane Allen, daughter of Thomas Allen and Sarah Newman marrying George Purser in 1863.
Jane and George Purser had three children that I know of: Mary Ann Purser; George Purser (1865) and John Allen Purser (1867).
Regards
Maree
:)
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robert allen b 1812 brampton is my g grandfather my grand father william b1847 shoreditch married phoebe andrews my fath william allen b1874 islington i was born 1929 half sister gladys elizabeth allen b1902 best wi
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am direct decendant of robert allen b1812 his son william b1847 b shoreditch my g father my father william allen b1974 islington is was born 1929 have half sister gladys elizabeth allen b1902 d 1986 have names of all siblings back to john allen b1787 keep in touch andrew ;)
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Hello Andrew .... & welcome to RootsChat
I guess you're the Andrew Allen who contacted me on Genes Reunited.
If you read through this topic you will find info on the Allen family. However I will summarise my link to your family. My grandfather's 2nd wife Mabel Bishop b 1887 was daughter of Thomas Bishop & Alice Allen. Alice b 1855 in Hemingford Abbots is daughter of your Robert Allen & Sarah Taylor. Robert baptised 1813 Brampton is son of John Allen & Susannah Bracegirdel. John baptised 1781 Brampton is son of Matthew Allen & Bridget Woodley. Matthew may have been born 1759 Alconbury but I have no definite details.
Regards John