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Title: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: PCF on Wednesday 16 August 06 22:09 BST (UK)
I wonder if anyone can help me? I am trying to locate the family of the artist Robert Mallett (1867-1950). I have seen your postings in this website and thought that you may be able to help me. I am the Editor of a series of catalogues called Oil Paintings in Public Ownership and we are currently working on our Norfolk volume (our project involves cataloguing all oil paintings held in public ownership in the UK on a county by county basis, (Norfolk will be our 10th catalogue - please visit www.thepcf.org.uk for further information). At Norwich Castle Museum there is a painting by Robert Mallett In a Wood, Taverham and I would like to obtain copyright permission from the artist's family so that we can reproduce the artist's paintings in our catalogues.  Would anyone happen to know who the copyright holder for this artist's work is? I would be very grateful for any leads that anyone may be able to provide.
 
We are an Arts Charity and are based at the National Gallery, London. All of the proceeds we gain from catalogue sales go towards painting restoration and gallery education.

Should you have any further questions, please do let me know. Thank you in advance for evryone's help.

With best wishes,

Sonia Roe
Editor, The Public Catalogue Foundation
St Vincent House
30 Orange Street
London WC2H 7HH
Tel (+44) 020 7747 5938
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: teddybear1843 on Wednesday 16 August 06 22:45 BST (UK)
Hi

Have you not contacted the Castle Museum?  That would seem to be the obvious first place!

Teddy
 ;)
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: PCF on Wednesday 16 August 06 22:48 BST (UK)
Unfortunately they do not have any information on this particular artist.
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: Arranroots on Thursday 17 August 06 10:12 BST (UK)
Hi Sonia

Thanks for you PM: I have sent you some contact info (courtesy of Google!) of living MALLETTs by PM - no idea whether they are related, but it might be worth a try!

I think my best suggestion at the moment would be to look for an obituary in The Times - although thinking about it, a will would be extremely helpful!

I see that there are MALLETT researchers who list Robert on GR, maybe someone with access could help you to contact them, or you could consider joining?

This is a fascinating piece of research and I wish you well - let's hope Rootschatters can come up trumps!

Anyone know a MALLETT from Norfolk??  ;D

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)

Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: johnP-bedford on Thursday 17 August 06 20:26 BST (UK)
there's this posting ..

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,76341.msg316520.html

mentions a Robert Mallett b 1867
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: aldee on Friday 18 August 06 13:09 BST (UK)
Hi . my grandfathers half brother was named Robert Mallett . He was born in Reedham , Norfolk in 1868 , and moved to County Durham , he appears in the 1901 census , aged 33 , a  coal-miner living in the ecclesiastical parish of Tanfield St Margaret with a wife and three children .
 I have been unable to contact any of his granchildren .keep trying ,yours Daphne .
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: PCF on Friday 18 August 06 13:11 BST (UK)
That's very interesting - the painting is called 'In a Wood, Taverham'. I'm not sure if this will help. Thanks for your reply.
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: jacques on Saturday 09 September 06 23:37 BST (UK)
Yes I have a Mallett born Norfolk.
namely Caroline born c1875 at Terrington, she married Solomon Bye 1897 at Wisbech Cambridgeshire.
Her possible parents Farmer Mallett born c1841 at Spalding. and Mother Mary ??  and grandparents Farmer Mallett born c 1811 at Whissonelt Norfolk and Susannah ??
Appreciate any information.
Many Thanks  Pam (Cambs)
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: The Front Man on Thursday 15 March 12 00:32 GMT (UK)
The Robert Mallett referred to here was my G grandfather.  I have a number of his paintings and would like to know more about him, his ancestry and more about his descendants as it was a very hard thing to extract from my late grandmother.

He had an issue with alcohol and this is probably why no one wanted to talk about him very much!
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: Arranroots on Thursday 15 March 12 16:57 GMT (UK)
Hi The Front Man

Welcome to Rootschat!  :)

The original poster hasn't been online since 2007, so we will have to hope that their email address is still the same and they will then receive a notification about your post.

Meanwhile, have a look around and feel free to post your own requests for help. If you make a new post that is related to the MALLETT family, perhaps you could link to this thread to save duplication.

Kind regards, Arranroots  ;)
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: aldee on Friday 16 March 12 15:07 GMT (UK)
Hi , thank you for getting in touch after so long . I do not believe my great uncle is the same Robert Mallet as the artist , however I could be wrong . I see another Robert Mallett was born in 1868 he was baptised in St James Pockthorpe , Norwich . my relative was born in Reedham also 1868 , but I can  only trace his last whereabouts  in the 1911 census as living in Stanley , Co Durham , unemployed . thanking you aldee  ???
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: j barnes on Thursday 22 March 12 09:44 GMT (UK)
Hello
Robert Mallett was my fathers uncle. I have a few of his paintings
Regards J Mallett.
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: The Front Man on Thursday 22 March 12 22:41 GMT (UK)
What was his name?

His line of Robert Mallett descendents is mine... if that makes any sense at all.  It then makes you my second cousin once removed.

Do you still live in the UK and Norfolk area?

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Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: aldee on Friday 23 March 12 13:32 GMT (UK)
hi , I eventually went onto free bmd , and found that the Robert Mallett , born in Reedham (1868)  , died in 1930 , he was still living in Co Durham where he had moved too in his younger years , and he had become a miner .
thank you for contacting me , it has lit the flame for genealogy again  :)
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: Carolyn58 on Sunday 06 October 19 15:19 BST (UK)
Hello,  I am completely new to this forum and not sure how it all works but I have registered and am responding to your post due to the following reasons :  My mother has a painting which belonged to my father and has been treasured through the years as a family heirloom.  The story always being that it was painted by a relative of my father.  On recent enquiry my mother confirmed that the artist was my father’s, mother’s uncle.  I tried to decipher the signature which was ‘Something’ Mallett. The first initial was not clear to me so I tried to look up any artist by the name of Mallett from that period.  I came across Robert Mallet and on closer inspection of some of his paintings displayed online, there was a very close resemblance to the painting and the signature on the picture hanging on my mother’s wall.  Please see attached.  I am now fairly convinced that the painting is an original oil on canvass by Robert Mallett. We believe the title was of Costessyey Mill in Norfolk. There may be evidence of this on the back of the painting but we cannot verify this yet,  as the painting was reframed during the 1970’s by a reputable restorers in Leicester and has a backing sheet covering the original.  Naturally, I don’t want to interfere with this unless it is necessary or helpful to any further investigation. 
I am not sure what to do from this point in view of proving provenance or authenticity.  Perhaps you could advise me on how to proceed.  I am happy to answer any further questions if I am able to and look forward to hearing from you in this respect.  Regards, Carolyn Williams.
P.s.  I am having difficulty attaching a photo of the painting in question, but will try and add this in a separate post.
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: Treetotal on Sunday 06 October 19 16:21 BST (UK)
Hi Carolyn and welcome to Rootschat, I'm afraid this is a very old post and many of the posters haven't been on Rootschat for 7 years or more so you are unlikely to get a response, however, If their email addresses are still current then you may get a reply.
Carol
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: sarah on Sunday 06 October 19 19:09 BST (UK)
Hello Carolyn,

When you reply to a topic it will automatically send out an email notification to the posters to let them know of your reply, some members do not log in if they have had not had any further replies, fingers crossed that they pick up on your new reply.

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: Annette7 on Sunday 06 October 19 22:51 BST (UK)
Carolyn58 - when I googled Robert Mallett artist it brought up very little except he lived 1867-1950.

Investigating this shows this Robert Mallett was a Shoemaker by occupation died 1950 Norwich, so his painting was presumably a hobby.

He was born 5/11/1867 in Hackney, London, bp.5/12/1868 Norwich, son of Robert Mallett (also a shoemaker) and wife Caroline Elizabeth.  His father was bc.1833 Norwich, but mother Caroline born in London - Robert Mallett married Caroline Elizabeth Daniel 22/4/1861 Hoxton, London.  By 1871 Robert had taken his family back to Norwich.

Robert b.1867 married Julia Elizabeth Lock in Dec.qtr.1894 Norwich - they had 6 children:

Annie Gertrude b.Sept.qtr.1897, died Sept.qtr.1897 Norwich
Gertrude Annie b.Sept.qtr.1898
Robert Henry b.Dec.qtr.1900
Frederick George b.Mar.qtr.1904
Elsie May b.Mar.qtr.1906
Hilda Julia b.Dec.qtr.1910.

Gertrude Annie Mallett married William George Shreeve 1927 Norwich
Robert Henry Mallett married Doris Winifred Martin 1924 Norwich
Frederick George Mallett married May Syder 1927 Norwich
Elsie May Mallett married Charles Winsdale 1932 Norwich
Hilda Julia Mallett married Leonard Thomas Green 1936 Norwich.

Does your 'father's mother's uncle' fit with this scenario?

Annette
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: barryd on Monday 07 October 19 03:18 BST (UK)
The Stanley, County Durham Mallett (Mallel) seems to NOT to be  the painter. Census 1891 has him as a 23 year old bachelor living 7 Townley Street, Havannah which is another name for West Stanley. Occupation Railway Laborer (spelled the American way). He was baptized 12 February 1868, Reedham, Norfolk, illegitimate son of Susan Mallett.
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: j barnes on Monday 07 October 19 06:45 BST (UK)
Hi Carolyn. I’m a bit puzzled by your reference to London. I’m not saying that it’s not true. It’s just that I don’t know much about my family’s history beyond my great grandfather, John Mallett. Robert’s father may have been my great grandfather’s brother.
My great grandfather, John Mallett was born in Norwich and lived there all of his life. He was a builder. That’s why I’m surprised by your research. It’s all very interesting. How did you discover those facts? Unfortunately all those people that may have known have died. All the paintings by R Mallett that I have seen have been of woodland and landscape around Norwich. Best wishes John Mallett
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: j barnes on Monday 07 October 19 07:04 BST (UK)
A Robot Mallett paint
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: The Front Man on Monday 07 October 19 07:34 BST (UK)
Hi Carolyn
My Great Grandfather was the Robert Mallett in this post and my Grandfather is Robert Henry Mallett mentioned in a previous post.

I have a number of the paintings and would like to apquire more.

Would be happy to chat with you about this. If you Google Robert Mallett Tasmania you will find me very easily. I am a small business advocate.
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: sarah on Monday 07 October 19 15:42 BST (UK)
Just to let you know what PCF (Sonia Row) has blocked further notification of replies to this topic, so our notification was returned back to us.

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: The Front Man on Tuesday 08 October 19 03:23 BST (UK)
Why has this happened?

"Just to let you know what PCF (Sonia Row) has blocked further notification of replies to this topic, so our notification was returned back to us.

Regards
Sarah"

Thanks

Robert
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 08 October 19 09:36 BST (UK)
Hi Robert,

All members can turn notification on or off per topic, so if someone wishes not to be notified further they can click on the un-notify button. Sonia in this case has received an email notification from us and she has then selected to stop all emails from RootsChat so when we try to notify her they are returned to us with a message to say that they are blocked.

It could be that she simply is no longer working for the company. ?

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: chempat on Thursday 10 October 19 00:05 BST (UK)
Link to PCF website no longer works, believe it is now:

https://artuk.org/
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: Carolyn58 on Thursday 10 October 19 17:55 BST (UK)
Reply to j Barnes
Thanks for your response to my post.  It wasn’t actually me who made any reference to London.  I have no information on Robert Mallett other than what I have read on this forum.  However, the more I have read and followed links and images of paintings by Robert Mallett, I am convinced that the painting in my mother’s possession is a genuine and original work by Robert Mallett.  I am not sure where to go from here or how to research any more information on relatives, past or present, that I might have a connection to.
I would appreciate any more advise you might have, thank you.
Regards, Carolyn.
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: Guy Etchells on Thursday 10 October 19 18:50 BST (UK)
Hello,  I am completely new to this forum and not sure how it all works but I have registered and am responding to your post due to the following reasons :  My mother has a painting which belonged to my father and has been treasured through the years as a family heirloom.  The story always being that it was painted by a relative of my father.  On recent enquiry my mother confirmed that the artist was my father’s, mother’s uncle.  I tried to decipher the signature which was ‘Something’ Mallett. The first initial was not clear to me so I tried to look up any artist by the name of Mallett from that period.  I came across Robert Mallet and on closer inspection of some of his paintings displayed online, there was a very close resemblance to the painting and the signature on the picture hanging on my mother’s wall.  Please see attached.  I am now fairly convinced that the painting is an original oil on canvass by Robert Mallett. We believe the title was of Costessyey Mill in Norfolk. There may be evidence of this on the back of the painting but we cannot verify this yet,  as the painting was reframed during the 1970’s by a reputable restorers in Leicester and has a backing sheet covering the original.  Naturally, I don’t want to interfere with this unless it is necessary or helpful to any further investigation. 
I am not sure what to do from this point in view of proving provenance or authenticity.  Perhaps you could advise me on how to proceed.  I am happy to answer any further questions if I am able to and look forward to hearing from you in this respect.  Regards, Carolyn Williams.
P.s.  I am having difficulty attaching a photo of the painting in question, but will try and add this in a separate post.

Hello Carolyn, you mention the painting was "reframed during the 1970’s by a reputable restorers in Leicester". I would try to contact them as they may have noted in their records if there was any information on the back of the painting before taking any other course of action.
Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: Robert MALLETT Copyright Ownership
Post by: Carolyn58 on Friday 11 October 19 10:11 BST (UK)
Thanks Guy, that’s a good idea.  I’ll follow that up.
Regards Carolyn.