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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cornwall Lookup Requests => Cornwall => England => Cornwall Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: junket on Wednesday 16 August 06 17:22 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for the marriage of Christian Yellon. Resident of Back St., in 1841, aged 30, with 2 children, William aged 8 and Joseph aged 6.
I am hoping the YELLON should read YELLAND.
If possible I would also like to have all parish record entries for this family, (if they are the Yelland family).
I am searching for the parents of Joseph Yelland born St Columb Minor, married Ruth Wellington.
I also have a query about another person, a Joseph PEARCE born Wells Somerset, who has a Marriage recorded in the St Columb entries.Vol 5c Page 189. Jun 1/4 1859. My husband's gg grandfather was a Joseph Pearce from Wells District, Somerset, and his wife's name was Mary. We are wondering if this is his marriage and would like more info. if possible please.
I hope you are able to help, and thank you in advance.
junket
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According to freebmd, Page 189 is not yet fully transcribed.
The one name which does appear is Mary Cock.
Pauline
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Hi Pauline
Thank you, any idea why he is listed in St Columb Minor ?
junket
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Hi Junket ;D ;D ;D
Ooh You really have my interest here. Look forward to hearing more from you. Take a look at my website. http://kris.rootschat.net/
My interest stems from Joseph and Ruth's daughter Mary, who married William Flamank of Newquay. Joseph, born 20 May 1835 at St Col Major, was the son of Joseph Yelland baptised 12 Jan 1806 (His parents were Richard and Elizabeth) and Christian Broad (Her parents were John Broad and Elizabeth Hall.)
Joseph Yelland=Christiana Broad 2 Feb 1833 Little Petherick
Joseph married Ruth Wellington (Daughter of William and Ann Lewes) in 1859 in St Agnes where they lived and had 5 Children. By 1881 Ruth declares herself a widow, housekeeper to Francis Woolcock. She married Francis in 1886. Poor old Joseph was not dead at all.....he actually appears to be confined to The Cornwall County Lunatic Asylum, where he dies in 1896 :'( :'( :'(
Look forward to hearing from you..................Kris ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Junket,
I am wondering about this other Pearce you asked about? Firstly with regards to marriages after 1837 the CRO are unable to supply microfiche at this stage, therefore the only option is to purchase the certificate. Other than that the information is available at Records Office but you would need to know the parish where the marriage occurred. Reg districts cover a large area and there are many parishes involved. From these GRO references the St Col listed is the registration district, not necessarily the parish where the event took place.
I did try to see what I could see on this and I wonder where you came by this information? You say Joseph was from Wells and married in St Col, yet when I check June 1/4 1859 for Joseph Pearce or Pearse I can find no record of a Joseph marrying in St Columb.
I do however note a Joseph PEARCE did marry in Wells in that quarter. 5c [979] Now the writing is really bad. To me it looks 979. There are 4 names transcribed for St Col 5c 179 and Joseph in Wells. The 179 for Joseph is a transcription Error and is in Wells not in St Col. Now when I check for a corresponding entry for a Mary in Wells, I do see a Mary Ann FOXWELL at 5c 999. Now bit of an off chance (if you think this is your man) in Wells and not St Columb at all, then just maybe that middle number is a 9 for Joseph's entry also and just not coming up as high as the others.
Out of curiousity it may be interesting to check a Mary Ann FOXWELL in 1851 census and just see if it a match. All very iffy I realise with maybe numbers are not what they look like etc, but I just dont see a Joseph Pearce marrying in St Columb in that quarter at all. I am not very happy with the theory as if I try what I think the numbers are I have 4 names under each, 4 in St Col under 5C 179, 4 in Wells under 5C 979 and 4 names in Wells under 5C 999. First thing to do is to check your records and see exactly what information you have, because I really think a mistake has been made here :-\
Cheers Kris ;D
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Hi kris,
I am sending you my source of information privately
thanks junket :)
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I am descended from John Yelland and Elizabeth Chapman. Their granddaughter Mary born 1741 (daughter of Richard Yelland and Rebecca Thomas) married John Arthur in 1762. I have some dates and places on my tree thus far that may be of interest to you.
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Hi plums,
It appears that like your Yellands, most of the Yellands come from the St Stephen in Brannel area. Unless the other girls with an interest in this man have gotten further than me since we last talked, we have been unable to get our man out of St Columb. There are numerous Richard Yellands about unfortunately. I have been unable to locate the marriage of our Richard and Elizabeth. Would love to hear more if you can shed any light on this man. All we have is a baptism for Joseph 12 Jan 1806 St Columb Major and nothing else at all on his parents Richard and Elizabeth.
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi Kris,
You have probably already seen it, but if you "google" leverton genealogy, you will bring up a site that contains a multitude of Yelland references. Maybe you will find your lead in there.
Plums
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Hi Plums,
Yes I have seen the site you mention. It lays claim to our Joseph as the son of Richard and Grace Gilbert. MMMM ::) I would certainly have to dispute this as I have the microfiche and our Joseph's baptism lists his mother as Elizabeth not Grace. I will admit I can find no likely Richard and Elizabeth. The only one I have found In Cornwall in this era is Richard who married a widow Elizabeth DYER in Roche in 1807. She was substantially older than Richard and they only appear to have only had daughters.
Yes it is true Richard YELLAND married Grace GILBERT some 6 months prior to our Josephs birth in St Columb Major. Though Richard lists as of St Stephens Grace was a local girl. I would very much doubt that the rector who performed the marriage would have so quickly gotten her name wrong. He had been rector of the parish for some 8+ years so I feel he would certainly have had a relationship with the Gilbert family. Grace was baptised as Grace and the baptisms of her children list Grace (not Grace Elizabeth or Elizabeth Grace) Her mother before her was also Grace, so I have no reason to believe Elizabeth has anything to do with her name. Richard and Grace's first Child appears to be Philip born St Columb 20 Feb and baptised Bodmin Wesleyan Circuit 15 Mar 1807 - a family name Grace's brother was Philip. Our Joseph named a son Richard and daughters both Eliza and Betsey, no Grace. If Grace was his mother why not?
Although I have no knowledge at all of Richard and Elizabeth, and boy oh boy have I looked, I am certainly not willing to accept his mother was Grace and somehow they got it wrong without some proof of this. Perhaps the author has some proof of this - you have reminded me I must write and query it when I finish this. ;)
You are lucky Plums. Glad your line is clearcut. Sadly as far as I am concerned, without proof to the contrary, I will not be accepting that our Joseph's mother was Grace therefore for now our Yelland's will have to remain of unknown origin. :'(
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi sorry for not replying sooner, am working on the Praters and forgot to reply.
Have PMd Plums.
junket.
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Hi all,
I'm presuming you have all been here:
http://www.sartorelli.gen.nz/parishregister/ststepheninbrannel.html
MODERATOR COMMENT: Link Corrected
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Wooeeeeee Folks,
I have been talking to Liz from
www.lizandstu.com (http://www.lizandstu.com) New address 2015
I have just received an email from Liz and can't wait to let you know that today she has proved conclusively that Joseph was infact the son of Richard and Grace Gilbert and somehow a mistake was made with his mothers name at the time of his baptism. Liz went to the record office today and found the proof in his asylum papers. Yippeee......This is certainly the highlight of my week, though poor Joseph 22 years in the Asylum :'( ....Well Done Liz ;D :D :D
Joseph was admitted to the asylum on 9 Oct 1874 and died there on 13 Oct 1896. He gives his next of kin as wife Ruth Yelland and in answer to the question of whether his disorder was hereditary he states that he had a paternal uncle who died in the asylum. We then looked for other Yellands who had been in the asylum and found Philip Yelland was admitted in November 1859 and died there in 1860. Philip gives his next of kin as brother JOSEPH YELLAND!
Kris :D
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Yippeee Kris,
Have also beeen in touch and sent an e mail to Mumsiep.................
Ironic, Joseph's g granddaughter, was a nurse in the asylum.
LIz says, she is my 6th cousins once removed
Very exciting isn't it.
Poor old Joseph, naughty Ruth?
junket
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Yes Junket, It is amazing for sure. ;D Small world. A nurse in the Asylum. Wonder if she knew. Well sure Mumsiep will know now, cas I just sent her a quick PM to catch this thread, I knew you would get notification, but she hasn't been part of the thread ;) .... I should be sleeping. Don't think I better ring Barbara my SA research buddy at 4.45 AM. She probably wouldn't really mind actually, she too will be over the moon ;D ......Kris :D
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Liz's Yelland site has now moved to www.lizandstu.com