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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Boongie Pam on Tuesday 15 August 06 18:39 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I'm trying to locate a few places in Glasgow and coming up to a dead end. I'm trying to find old photos or maps that may show some places.
The first place is Grove Street in Glasgow. I'm pretty sure it no longer exists as nay hits on multimap or Google.
But there was an institute called the Grove Street Institute - does anyone know where this equates to on a map today?
I know this address "73 Grove Street" existed in 1911 as a birth took plsace there as per a birth cert and it still existed in 1924.
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks,
Pam
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Hi Pam, there used to be a Grove street near Parkhead,
off the Gallowgate.
Millie.
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Thanks for that. Is that in Woodside?
I need to double check all the certs to see what parish they are from I think should help find which Grove St it is.
P ;D
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Parkhead and Woodside are different areas ... Woodside is in the North west of the modern City while Parkhead is in the east end.
Grove Street institute image from The Glasgow Story (http://www.theglasgowstory.co.uk/image.php?inum=TGSG00035&t=2&urltp=searchq.php%3Fqsearch%3Dgrove+street%26amp%3Bstart%3D0%26amp%3Bend%3D20%26amp%3Bft%3D8%26amp%3Bl%3Dy)
Grove Street primary - from The Virtual Mitchell Library (http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=wordsearch&s=item&key=Wczo1OiJncm92ZSI7&pg=1)
Grove Street ran off of Garscube Road ..... much of that area of Woodside/Cowcaddens was demolished in the late 60's and early 70's
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Hi there,
This seems to be in a similar vein to this topic on Balnain Street (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,170381.0.html) as the picture posted by Falkyrn was of a building on the corner of Balnain Street and Grove Street.
If you are familiar with the road junctions around Charing Cross in Glasgow where the M8 passes through the city, you will see that a lot of buildings and streets must have been demolished when that was being constructed, and I am guessing that Grove Street/Balnain Street will have been affected by that work.
As for old maps, if you look at http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/index.html For old maps of Glasgow you might be lucky and be able to see where it was. the most modern Glasgow one is 1892-4, so hopefully the area won't have changed between then and 1911.
Cheers,
Clare
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You beat me to it Clare, I was searching for that thread ;D
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If you go to Old Maps (www.old-maps.co.uk) and enter the co-ordinates 258480,666490 you will see Grove Street, just to the left of Garscube Road.
Bervonian.
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Hi there,
Found it on the Old Maps at the NLS - if you look for Gladstone Street and Braid Street, it was kind of between them - right beside the M8. (I also found Balnain Street in the process ;D)
Cheers,
Clare
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Here it is
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Hi Pam,
My old map of Hillhead 1909 shows an 'Inste' on the north side of Grove Street. On Cammy's map, the streets immediately to the east of and parallel to Gardner Street were Kelvin Street on the north side of Grove Street and Scotia Street on the south side. The 'Inste' was just to the east of Kelvin Street and looking straight down Scotia Street. The building between it and the corner of Kelvin Street is marked as a dispensary.
Hope this helps.
David.
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Wow you guys are fantastic!
I haven't been home yet to check parishes but all this info is great!
P ;D
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Hello Pam my name is Adrian Pearce.
My Father & sister and Grand-perents also my step grand-mother also went to there too for a very long time went to Grove Street Institute.
My Great Grand-perents also Grand-perents & step grand-mother went there when they where children all the way up to 1951 when they came out to Australia.
Hi All,
I'm trying to locate a few places in Glasgow and coming up to a dead end. I'm trying to find old photos or maps that may show some places.
The first place is Grove Street in Glasgow. I'm pretty sure it no longer exists as nay hits on multimap or Google.
But there was an institute called the Grove Street Institute - does anyone know where this equates to on a map today?
I know this address "73 Grove Street" existed in 1911 as a birth took plsace there as per a birth cert and it still existed in 1924.
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks,
Pam
:)
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Hi
Everyone I am seeking to put together an image of Grove St, which was indeed in the Cowcadens part of the city and disappeared under the development when the M8 was driven through the city in the late 60,s
I have a composite map I have put together and so far one photograph of the Grove Street Institute. My interest here is that my great-grandmother Mrs Margret O’Donnell (maiden name Burns) who appears on the 1901 census as owning a newsagent and store at number 61 Grove Street.
There is a bit of family mystery surrounding this woman and I would appreciate any info regarding her or Grove street during this period.
Please have a look at the composite map. The first thing I would like to know is, as you will see none of the property is numbered. If you have any indications of the numbering or anything else I may be interested in please post it here. [email removed: please use private message system]
Regards
Tony
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Streets in Glasgow were always numbered from the end nearest the city centre and starting at that end the odd numbers would have been on the left.
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61 grove street is listed in the 1913 valuation rolls as a house (tenement block) 59 and 63 are listed as shops (63 is house/shop)
http://www.theglasgowstory.co.uk/valindex.php
search for Ward 16, p059
to put your map in context the Grove Street Institute was no's 80 - 82
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Tony,
The numbering was odd numbers on the south side and even numbers on the north side, in each case starting at the eastern end at the junction with Garscube Road and finishing at the western end at Gardner Street. I think the highest numbers were 107 and 108. Proceeding west from Garscube Road, the first street intersecting on the the south side is Abercorn Street, and the numbers either side of that intersect were 41 on the ease and 43 on the west. So your number 61 was the tenth property west from the intersect, somewhere before you arrive at the Scotia Street intersect.
Does that help?
David.
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My cousun Derek still goes there and if you want me to find out more for you
please let me know and I will get incontactwith him as he went there in the 60's
Adrian
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I see that someone has a birth record from 73 grove street Glasgow. I have a letter to my great auntie in nz written from this address from her cousin who was a Rennie. Would love more information about the Rennie family as I understand mrs Rennie was nee Stewart
Thanks Joan
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I see that someone has a birth record from 73 grove street Glasgow. I have a letter to my great auntie in nz written from this address from her cousin who was a Rennie. Would love more information about the Rennie family as I understand mrs Rennie was nee Stewart
Thanks Joan
Hi Joan, and welcome to RootsChat.
If you go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, register, and search the index to statutory marriages for a marriage of a female Stewart to a male Rennie, you will get 52 results, so you need some more information to narrow down before you will be able to get the right person.
What was the date of the letter? What was the writer's given name? And was the letter from Mrs Rennie or from one of her children?
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An article about the Institute
http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image/?inum=TGSG00035
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Hi All,
I'm trying to locate a few places in Glasgow and coming up to a dead end. I'm trying to find old photos or maps that may show some places.
The first place is Grove Street in Glasgow. I'm pretty sure it no longer exists as nay hits on multimap or Google.
But there was an institute called the Grove Street Institute - does anyone know where this equates to on a map today?
I know this address "73 Grove Street" existed in 1911 as a birth took plsace there as per a birth cert and it still existed in 1924.
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks,
Pam
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Hi Pam,
I'm new to the site, so I hope I'm doing this correctly. But I wanted to respond directly to your question, as my great great grandparents also lived in 73 Grove Street! They were James and Margaret Miller, and according to the 1871 census, they were living there with their three children (James, Alexander and Adam). I was very interested in your post, particularly as you are talking about the same property!
Regards, Lisa
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Hi Lisa Alexa,
Hey what a coincidence! I'll admit I can't remember who this relates to in my tree, it's before I met my better half so it is definitely my tree ;D
Pam
;D
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Hi, I’ve just joined this site after finding this forum about 73 grove street and I was wondering does anyone know anything about the house? My grandfather, Thomas Smyth, was born on 73 grove street in 1924 to Helen and Patrick Smyth.
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Hi, I’ve just joined this site after finding this forum about 73 grove street and I was wondering does anyone know anything about the house? My grandfather, Thomas Smyth, was born on 73 grove street in 1924 to Helen and Patrick Smyth.
It wasn't a single house but a tenement block (apartment block) withanything up to 12 different households living there.
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Welcome from me too :)
This is an entry for the address 10 years ealier in the 1913-14 valuation rolls. As Falkryn mentions, multi occupancy www.theglasgowstory.com/images/TGSV16060.jpg
Monica
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Some decades later, but there are some photos and comments from people who lived on the street or knew it well http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=7828&st=300
Monica
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https://sites.google.com/site/grovechristiancentre/history
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http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=wordsearch&s=item&key=Wczo1OiJncm92ZSI7&pg=1
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Hi, I’ve just joined this site after finding this forum about 73 grove street and I was wondering does anyone know anything about the house? My grandfather, Thomas Smyth, was born on 73 grove street in 1924 to Helen and Patrick Smyth.
My family lived at 73 Grove street when they married in 1922. Patrick Smyth and Ellen Maguire were witnesses at the marriage. Unfortunately, I don't yet have any more information.
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Welcome to RootsChat, fromthemtous :)
73 Grove Street was multi occupancy. In the 1925 Valuation Rolls, there were 19 tenants at that address. Patrick Smith still showing there that year.
Monica
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SMITH PATRICK Tenant HOUSE 73 GROVE STREET GLASGOW 1925
Don't fret about the spelling of Smith
Don
Like that red sweater Monica.
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That is my mum ;) First birthday for her coming up in a few days since her death...
Monica
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Nice picture Monica she looked a very happy lady you must be proud....
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Very much so to both :)
Monica
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Thank you all! I will need to spend some time navigating this site to find out how it works.
The families I had at 73 Grove street were O’Keeffe, Maguire and Murray. O’Keeffe was from Dublin, but I’ve no idea about Murray’s.
It’s a lovely photograph Monica.
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bongie pam . would be good to talk to you i have a birth cert 73 grove street in 1930
i cant work out how to reply to you on the post etc directly or how to send you a message
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Hi colmcg
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Just make a couple of posts more and then the Private Message service will be open to you. You can reach Boongie Pam via the PM system here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1762
Monica
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ok dont have a lot to say ie posts , to make it to private message status lol
think she (pam) is looking at same address and it existed till 1967 on the map , but im trying to trace on grove street in 1920 and 1930 .
i found some valuation polls but only up till 1914
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not sure how you make it to chat level lol
Hi colmcg
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Just make a couple of posts more and then the Private Message service will be open to you. You can reach Boongie Pam via the PM system here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1762
Monica
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Have you tried checking the VRs on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk ?
It is free to search and see the results of the search. You have to pay via units only if you want to view the actual image.
For the period you are looking at, the VRs on SP go up to currently 1940. They have an on going project with these and have them in 5 year intervals. You just need to search by the street name/place and location, and it will show you everyone at that address.
Monica
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i think thats where i got the address from through scotish records and searching my fathers birth to i beleive there
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Hello lovely people. Apologies I am not often doing family research at the moment. So haven't been on Rootschat much.
@colmcg I had a look back at why I was looking at this location (I can't believe it was 15 years ago) and I think it was connected to a family tree I did for a friend as I can't find any reference in my partners tree or mine. The tree I did for a friend was in this area.
Pam
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hi pam
it was not by any chance bennett was it ?
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hi pam
it was not by any chance bennett was it ?
No that wasn't a name on the tree. Unfortunately the details are on an old laptop I can't access easily.
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I was looking for Grove St and found this post. Ive found a lovely map of the area from 1857 which has Grove St and a lot of the other streets that my Dochertys lived in
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74953123
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Grove street in glasgow was in cowcadens
And was just of balnain street I lived at 67 Grove st till1968when they started demolishing it. It is now known as grovepark square
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Grove street in glasgow was in cowcadens
And was just of balnain street I lived at 67 Grove st till1968when they started demolishing it. It is now known as grovepark square