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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: The Gardener on Monday 14 August 06 14:45 BST (UK)
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does anyone know anything about the family of Rev John Cadvan Davies, born Llangadfan 1846 died Oswestry 1923.
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The 1851 Census has a John Davies born Llangadfan in 1846 -
52 Llethymedw?, Llangadfan
Edward DAVIES bc1813 Llangadfan Sawyer
Margaret DAVIES bc1812 Llangadfan Sawyer's Wife
Emma MORGAN (listed as daughter - may be Margaret's from a previous marriage) bc1835 Llangadfan Scholar
Edward DAVIES bc1836 Llangadfan Scholar
John DAVIES bc1846 Llangadfan
David DAVIES bc1848 Llangadfan
Margaret DAVIES bc1850 Llangadfan
HO107/2499
Folio 198
Page 14
Stephen :)
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In 1861 -
Glanmartha?
Edward LLOYD DAVIES bc1813 Llangadfan
Margret LLOYD DAVIES bc1812 Llangadfan
John DAVIES bc1846 Llangadfan
David DAVIES bc1849 Llangadfan
Margred DAVIES bc1850 Llangadfan
Daret DAVIES bc1851 Llangadfan
Richard DAVIES bc1854 Llangadfan
Jane Elizabeth DAVIES bc1856 Llangadfan
Hugh DAVIES bc1859 Llangadfan
RG9/4260
Folio 4
Page 4
Stephen :)
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In 1881 (sorry, can't do any other census at the moment - I did the other two at the local library, where they have free Ancestry access) -
(information from familysearch.org)
Hendre Isa, Llanymowddwy, Merioneth, Wales
John DAVIES b1846 Llangadfan, Montgomery Farmer & Labourer
Elizabeth DAVIES b1848 Llangadfan, Montgomery Farmer's Wife
Ann DAVIES b1870 Llangadfan, Montgomery Scholar
Elizabeth DAVIES b1872 Llangadfan, Montgomery Scholar
Margaret DAVIES b1875 Llangadfan, Montgomery Scholar
RG11/5544
Folio 48
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Stephen :)
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Hi
There is another possible candidate, but no John Cadvan Davies.
RG9/4260/f11/p18 Address Allt, all surnames Davies
David, h, m, 52, farmer 39 acres emp 1, MGY Llangadfan
Jane, w, m, 51, MGY Garbeitho
David, s, u, wheelwright, MGY Garbeitho
John, s, u, 14, scholar, MGY Llangadfan
Could John have adopted the name Cadvan when he became a Rev? Derived from Llangadfan - the church of Cadvan (Welsh Cadfan). Cadvan was a King of Gwynedd 6th/7th Century.
Cheers Dave
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Hello
I have found the Rev. & family in 1891 (Liverpool) & 1901 (Caernarfon), as follows:-
1891, living at 21 Gt. Mersey St., Kirkdale, Liverpool
John C. Davies (43) Wesleyan Minister, b. Llangadfan, Mgy
Mary A. Davies (29) Wife, b. Leeswood, Flints
M.J.B. Davies (13) Dau., b. Cefnmawr, Denbs.
M.C. Davies (12) Dau., b. do.
Ada H. Davies (6) Dau., b. Dolgelly, Mer.
M.O. Davies (5) Dau., b. do
1901, living at Bathafarn House, Llanbeblig, Caerns.
John Cadvan Davies (54) Wesleyan Minister, b. Llangadfan
Mary A. Davies (34??) Wife, b. Coedllai, Flints.
Buddug Davies (23) Dau., b. Cefnmawr
Morfudd Davies (22) Dau., b. do
Ada H. Davies (16) Dau., b. Dolgelly
Olwen Davies (15) Dau., b. do
North Wales BMD shows the following birth registrations in respect of the 2 younger children:
Ada Hefin Davies b. 1884 and Margaret Olwen Davies b. 1885
both registered at Barmouth, sub district to Dolgellau
I have not been able to find the family in 1881, thus far.
However, in 1871,
Living at Prince of Wales Terrace, Penygroes, Llanllyfni, Caerns.
John Davies (24) Lodger, Wesleyan Minister, b. Llangadfan
There is something odd about the wife's (Mary A Davies) age, particularly in the 1901 census when she would obviously not be the mother of the 2 elder children. Possibly an error, as the 1891 census would be just about feasible.
On the other hand, perhaps she is a second wife.
Best wishses
Stan
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nice one Stan - thanks
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Just had another look at the 1901 image and Mary's age is in fact 39, which makes more sense. Sorry about that.
Stan.
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Cadvan was a well known Wesleyan minister,hymn writer and Eisteddfod poet (as Cadfan) ; he was Archdruid in 1923. There is an entry in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography, online on the National Library of Wales site. His parents are given there as David and Jane. His autobiography is in Welsh. As a Wesleyan minister at that time he changed circuits every three years.
Tegai
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Further to my previous reply, I have now been able to see Cadvan's autobiographical notes in Welsh (Eurgrawn 1917).
b.1 Oct.1846 on small farm Yr Allt,Llangadfan.
grandfather on mother's side Edward Ifan, son of Maes Garthbeibio ; grandmother Coed-cae Llanbrynmair ; after marr.lived at Bron Haul,Garthbeibio.
grandfather on father's side David Davies,joiner,built Melin y Graig (Mill) on banks of River Twrch. He died young leaving his widow Dorothy with 6 children. Cadvan's father also apprenticed as joiner and in 1845 took a lease on some mountain land in Llangadfan and built a house, granary etc.
Cadvan m. 1st Maggie Jones, dau. of Hugh Jones,Ty'nypwll,Dinas Mawddwy,23 Aug.1876 in the Independent Chapel,Dinas Mawddwy.
2nd Mary Ada Evans,dau.of Meschach Evans,Manchester House,Coedllai (Leeswood) on 15 Aug.1882 in Wesleyan Chapel Mold.
The curious feature is that, after writing of wife 1 and the two children, she suddenly disappears and wife 2 arrives. The denominational periodical carries no obituary for her, as one would normally expect. If I remember, I'll ask around.
Tegai
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Hello Tegai, I'm using this contact to clear things up re my email saying that a "Tegai" had a message for me about John Thomas, Cwm, Dyserth. I was surprised to see this email because it's a long time since I've used rootschat before. My username then was "Iori"
I can see from your other messages that you are familiar with Wesleyan matters.
Family lore has it that there were two brothers, of whom John Thomas Cwm was one, who had something to do with the founding of Pendref Chapel, Mold and that one of these brothers had baptised my Uncle Bob, my mother's brother. I would love to find out more about them
Iowerth(username Helior)
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Thanks for clearing up the mystery.
All I have been able to find about John Thomas is that he was a blaenor at Pendref, and that he died in Mold before 1913. He may have been involved with the substantial interior work of 1876, or the building of a schoolroom in 1896. Pendref itself had been built in 1828, superseding a previous chapel of 1803/1822. There would almost certainly be an obituary in Yr Eurgrawn or Y Gwyliedydd but hunting it down would be a substantial undertaking without knowing the year of death.
I feel it is extremely unlikely that he christened your uncle. It is now, with the shortage of ministers, not all that unusual for a lay person to perform a baptism, but very rare then.
Tegai