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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: Jimbo of Canada on Wednesday 02 August 06 17:56 BST (UK)
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I am searching for info on my great grandfather, WILLIAM MCGILL b. 1848, his father William McGill b. Greenock c. 1822, his wife Ann (no maiden name) and a baby brother (name unknown) born in 1851 in Greenock.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jim
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Have you tried the IGI batch index - just type in the surname
Have sent you a PM - I can only find 1 william mcgill in the 1881 census for Greenock
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyRenfrew.htm#PageTitle
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The I.G.I. lists the marriage of William McGill and Mary McFie on 30 May 1812 in the West or Old Parish, Greenock.
In addition to their son William (bap. 7 Jul 1822, West or Old Parish), they had:
Elizabeth bap. 31 Oct 1815
Mary bap. 13 Jul 1818
They were also baptised West or Old Parish.
Isles.
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Thank you very much for this new info.
I had info that my great great grandfather was born approx. 1822. I didn't know he had 2 sisters and I didn't have his parents names.
I am still trying to find William's (1848) brother's name. Apparently he was 10 days old at the time of the 1851 census but not named.
William (1848) emigrated to Ontario Canada sometime between 1851 and 1871 ( I don't know if he came by himself when older,or with his parents and brother) and married Mary Weir Nolan in 1888. I have all the info on him personally,over here but almost nothing of him in Greenock.
The William McGill on the 1881 census may be a relative down the line somewhere but he is not my William as he was living in Ontario as of 1871.
Again, thank you both for your help,
Jim
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Update on William McGill:
My great grandfather William McGill b. 1848 in Tipperary Ireland and his 2 brothers: P. or D. McGill b. 1851 Greenock, (10 days before the 1851 census was taken), and I. or J. McGill b. 1854 Greenock, were listed on the 1861 Greenock census at a "ragged school". Only initials were used. Apparently there father, William McGill b.1822, was in a poorhouse at the same time on the census. Their mother, Ann McGill (maiden name unknown, possibly Dowden) was not on the 1861 census. I wonder if she had died at or soon after the birth of their last son or was in a poorhouse as well.
Is their any way to find out the actual names and birthdates of the 2 brothers and Ann not knowing their actual names?
Is it possible to find a poor relief application for William McGill probably made sometime between 1854 and 1861?
I know that William (1848) emigrated to Canada sometime between 1870 and 1871 as he is listed on the 1871 census in Lanark County, Ontario.
What i don't know is:
Did his brothers come with him or stay behind and what happened to them ?
What happened to his father William ?
What was Ann's maiden name and did she die and if so, when and where?
If anyone can help with this it would be very appreciated.
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As far as I know thr poor relief records (for Greenock) were lost at some point in time - this was confirmed by the historian of the Watt Library
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weemary,
Thank you for the info. This would probably be the only way I could get the answers to my questions so I guess I may be out of luck trying to find the boys names.
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Hi Jimbo
Have you tried contacting the Watt Library and checking what records are kept, if any, for the Greenock Industrial School?
From another site, with a similar query:
I contacted the James Watt Library in Greenock, who gave me the following information taken from the Greenock Post Office Directory of 1891 and is the entry is headed
Greenock Ragged School Association:
It is the object of the Association to reclaim the neglected and destitute children of Greenock by affording them the benefit of a good common and Christian education, and training them to the habilts of regular industry so as to enable them to earn an honest livliehood and fit them for the duties of life.
The plan upon which the school is conducted is as follows: The children receive an allowance of food for their daily support; are instructed in reading, writing and arithmetic; trained to industry by employing them daily in such work as is suited to their years; and taught the truths of the Gospel, making the children receive suitable religious teaching.
Contact: www.scottishrecordsassociation.org/summaries_003.htm
Regards.
Monica
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had awee look at this thread jim and wondered if this is any good to you?
1841 census; harvey lane, greenock, st thomas
william...age 52...labourer
mary....age 60
1851 census; 7 harvey lane, greenock
mary...head...age 70...lodging house keeper...born islay
elizabeth...dau...age 43...washerwoman...born greenock
william mcadam...age 12...app nailmaker
helen mcadam...no age given
elizabeth mcgill married archibald mcadam 31/1/1837
also, wonder if this is yours
1861 census; 10 shaw street, greenock
ann...head...age 44...dealer in rags...born ireland
i was thinking that was her due to the 1851 census
1851 census; charles street, greenock
william...head...age 29...labourer...born greenock
ann...wife...age 23...born galloway, ireland
william...son...age 2...born tipperery, ireland
baby young...son...age 10 days...born greenock(no doubt in the house)
searched the greenock poorhouse of 1851 and no ann
no mary and no elizabeth mcadam/mcgill on the 1861 census
Joe
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Hi Monica And Joe,
Thanks for the help, as this is a real Brickwall.
I will try to contact the Watt Library and find out if they have poor relief applications for the period 1851 to 1861.
On the 1851 census it is showing Elizabeth as 43 but she was apparently born around Oct. 31, 1815.
Also, Where is Archibald at the time of the census?
On the 1861 census, Ann is 44 but on the 1851 census she is 23 and William is 29 as he was born in 1822. William is in a poorhouse on the 1861 census and the 3 boys are in a ragged school at the same time.
It's William's poor relief application I really need to get all the relevant info on him, Ann and the 3 boys.
I have a copy of the 1851 census for William and Mary and the 2 boys thanks to the Paisley Town Council.
Since Elizabeth doesn't appear on the 1861 census of Greenock , I wonder if she had moved away or emigrated to possibly Canada possibly giving the reason young William moves to Canada Then again, where is Archibald?
Also, where is William and Mary's daughter Mary who was bapt. July 13, 1818 ?
It looks like William Sr. has died by 1851 if Mary is now the head of the family. I haven't been able to find Mary on the 1861 census either so she may have died as well by now. Therefore it is possible they may be buried in a Greenock cemetery. This could be another search in the making.
Isn't genealogy fun?
Jim
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Jim the Watt library has all the BMD taken from the newspaper - they have all been indexed from 1843 onwards - if your family's births or burials appeared in the newspaper it would have been indexed
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Now that is great to know. I wonder if they do lookups for the BMD's of William's boys and Ann.
Thanks again,
Jim
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Looking for info on the parents names and BMD's of William McGill b. 1793, Greenock who was married to Mary McFie b. c.1781.
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0mj9/
Hi Jim
click on the relevant name link and it will take you to the BMD's as they appeared in the Greenock Telegraph
hope it helps, although there are quite a few McGills on there, not all families had the money to put BMD's in the paper,
Elaine
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Thanks Elaine,
This is a great site for info. Nothing shows on my William or Mary though. I'm keeping this site in my favourites for future reference.
Jim
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ssj/
Jim
Have you looked through the Directories
Elaine
doesn't seem to working at the minute but I will keep trying
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Thanks again Elaine, still no luck.
Jim
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Hi Elaine .... Remember me ... I had an account here under the name Pearlfisher , but could not remember how to access it , changed email and all that .... Still can't work out how to make a post ... ha ha ha
I asked some time ago about finding out anything about my grandfather Joseph McCormick ... Since then I have some more information .... His father I think I said before was Daniel McCormick married to Catherine ward in Dumbarton in the catholic chapel in 1897 .... They had 7 children
DANIEL BORN 1897/8
JAMES BORN 1899/1900
DAVID BORN 1905/6
JOSEPH BORN 28TH JUNE 1906 IN SCOTSTOWN RENFREW
SAHRA BORN 1908/9
AND
TWINS
JOHN AND THOMAS BORN 1910/11
Not very good at all this stuff still ... but would love to find out if my father has any living relatives still and whatever happened to his estranged father that he only saw once in 1954 when he said he was a proffesional golf caddy ....Any help would be great ... Thank you Steve
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I do remember Steve :)
to make a new post just click on the Blue button that says New Topic
it opens up a window like this one,
in the subject box put something that relates to what you are searching for
and write your message, click post, if you want to receive replies click on the
notify button, then when anyone replies you will get an email telling you there has
been a reply,
I will look through some stuff see what I find.
Elaine
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Hmmmm .... Going wrong somewhere cant even see the blue button .... Can you pm me any info till I work this out ? Ta
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Steve
you need one more post to receive pm, :P
Elaine
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I can reply ok ... Just cant work out how to get in and make a post of my own ... :) Steve
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PM sent Steve
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My McGill's from Greenock:
Great Grandmother: Julia McGill, DOB: 23 Sept 1877 to Archibald McGill & Annie McGill (nee Galbraith), Julia was sent to Canada in 25 Jun 1885 (age 6) as part of the Home Child Program/Slavery she died 26 March 1967inBurnaby, British Columbia, Canada her Brother my,
Great Granduncle: Angus McGill, DOB:12 Jul 1878 also sent to Canada under the same program
19 May 1885 (age 6), Angus was KIA at Vimy Ridge 31 Mar 1917 as part of the 47th Battalion
They had brothers and sisters named:
Archibald F: DOB; 10 Feb 1851, DOD:27 Dec 1943 in Los Angeles, Calf, USA
John: DOB; 9 Feb 1857, DOD; 22 Dec 1925,
Mary: DOB; 1 May 1859,
Flora: DOB; 31 Dec 1861,
Duncan: DOB; 27 Mar 1864,
James: DOB approx 1865,
Euphemia Campbell: DOB;28 Sep 1868, DOD; 24 Aug 1954in Troon, West Scotland,
Catherine: DOB;29 Jul 1871
Any conections??????