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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Topic started by: laffoley on Tuesday 01 August 06 10:54 BST (UK)
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My research is for Laffoley and Steen familys, both from Jersey, thanks
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Hi -
From the information you have given me (personal message) I can confirm the following details:
Josue Laffoley married Marie Le Brocq (of St Peter, Jersey) 23 Jan 1763 in St Peter's parish church (That's where I was married ... about 223 years later!).
They had a son Josue Laffoley, bap. 21 Aug 1768.
Marie Le Brocq was buried 15/7/1773.
Josue Laffoley b. 1768 married Jeanne Collas on 20 Oct 1791 at St Peter.
They had a son Josue Laffoley, bap. 8 Jan 1795.
Jeanne Collas wife of Josue Laffoley was buried in St Peter on 25/5/1839 aged 82 years (i.e. b.1757).
Josue Laffoley bap. 1795 married Rachel D'Auvergne in St Peter,
and their children included:
Marie bap. 10 jan 1818 in St Peter
Elise bap. 30 July 1821 "
Josue bap. 6 July 1823
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Moyse Laffoley married Caterine daughter of Jean de la Rocque on 22 April 1674, in St Peter.
Their children baptised at St Peter included:
Moyse bap. 14/3/1674 (Godfather Jean de la Rocque)
? bap. 23/3/1678
Jean bap. 24/6/1683 (I)
Marie bap. 20/2/1685 (I)
Marie bap. 22/1/1692 (II)
Josue bap. 15/7/1694 ...... *
Jean bap. 3/7/1698 (II)
Moise bap. 2/3/1700
(* this Josue would have been too old, I think, to be the one that married Marie Le Brocq in 1763).
Caterine, widow of Moise Laffoley, was buried in St Peter on 23 Aug 1709.
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Some additional St Peter burials which may turn out to be relevant:
- Marie, wife of Moyse Laffoley bur. 27/5/1743
- Rachel Le Breton, wife of Josue Laffoley, bur. 23/2/1762 .... is this the first wife of the original JL, before he re-married to Marie Le Brocq??)
- Josue Laffoley bur. 24/4/1764 ... is this the missing link - a Josue between the Moyse tree and the later Josue ??)
- Jean son of Josue Laffoley, bur. 19/9/1835 aged 4 and a half months.
I hope some of this is useful.
Mike
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Hi -
You have said: "...my grandmother was one Ada Steen, born 1873, St. Owens . 1881 census has them at Portinfer Rd St Owens. "
Her birth reference (St Helier Registrar's index) is -
period 5.4.1872 - 15.8.1879 page 51.
You can get a copy of the certificate, quoting the above reference, from -
The Superintendent Registrar,
!0 Royal Square, St Helier, Jersey, JE2 4WA
Certificates cost £10 each plus postage (UK 50p; Europe £1; and elsewhere £2)
I also looked up the censuses for this family (you have the 1881):
1871
St Ouen, Vinchelez Road:
STEEN Ann Head marr. 41 grocer born: St Ouen
LE BLANCQ Edward John son unmarr. 12 scholar St Ouen
" Elias Gideon son unmarr. 11 scholar St Ouen
STEEN Florence daur unmarr. 1 - St Ouen
There is only one other Steen family in St Ouen in 1871, but we know this is the right one because Florence is there. In the 1881 census, Ada's and Florence's mother wais named 'Nancy' - but could this be a transcription error or a nick name?
.. so it looks like she was previously married to a Mr Le Blancq, then re-married a Mr Steen between about 1860-1870. Where was Mr Steen in 1871?
1861 census fills in the picture a bit more...
St Ouen, Vinchelez -
LE BLANCQ
Anne wife marr. 30 St Mary [surprising - it is supposed to be St Ouen!]
Anne daug 12 scholar St Mary
Edward John son 2 - "
Elie Gideon son 1 - "
... so, this ties in with the first marriage to Mr Le Blancq - but where was he in 1861?
and in 1851 census, St Ouen, Portinfer Road
LE GRESLEY Jean head widower 75 Farmer, retired master mariner St Ouen
LE BLANCQ Edward Grandson 25 Seaman St Ouen
" Ann Granddaughter 21 - St Ouen
" Ann G.granddaughter 2 - St Ouen
LE MARQUAND Rachel ?relationship Widow 77 annuitant
So, here we have Ann [described as g.daughter] with her possible husband Edward [described as g.son], living with his or her grandfather. A bit more research is needed to find out which!
As Edward Le Blancq is a seaman - that may explain why he was not at home in 1861.
The daughter Ann is missing in 1871 and 1881 - so need to see if she is anywhere else. I note there is an Ann Steen in St Helier, a friend, staying with another household but she is reported as aged 42 - mistranscription of 32?
and in 1841 census there are a number of possibilities (linking Le Gresley with Le Blancq) -
Vingtaine de Vinchelez -
Elizabeth Le Gresley 60 Ag Lab Y
Edouard Le Blanc 14 Carpenter Ap Y
John 12 Carpenter Y
Mary Ann Hennesey 15 F.S. I
Vingtaine of Leoville -
Elizabeth Le Maistre 40 Ind Y
Marie Le Blancq 50 J. W. Y
Rachel Le Gresley 15 do Y
Grand Cuillette -
Esther Le Gresley 60 Marchant Y
Mary Le Blancq 35 Ind Y
Philip Le Blancq 1 Y
... have a look through http://members.shaw.ca/jerseymaid/ouens.html
I would think the first couple of entries above look interesting possibilities...
Mike
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Mike, I think you may be onto something!
I heard from Diane of NZ that a date stone attached to the present d'Auvergne house at St. Peter has MLF 1696 on it. I quote "they think it was taken from another building on the site."
So if Moyse's building stones were recycled into the house known as d'auvergne inhabited by a LAFFOLEY family 100 years later there probably is a familial connection - and not just an architechural one.
Thank you for sharing what you know.
Ken in California
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What date during the year was the one for census taking?
I just found Ada STEEN on 1891 census, living on her own means as a vistor at the William W. LAFOLLEY house in St. Peter.
Also living at the house are William's widowed 74-y-o aunt Mary, 76 y-o widowed cousin Elizabeth, and Philip D., 28 y-o brother whom Ada will marry on 3 Apr 1891.
Was the day of censing consistent for each census?
Ken
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Ken
Out of interest have a look at:
http://www.societe-jersiaise.org/alexgle/stonejsy501-600.html
Can't seem to see a picture!
Stewart
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I've just found something else in "Joan Stevens, Old Jersey Houses, Volume II" for what it is worth.
AUVERGNE
A dated stone has now been seen with MLF 1696. This is likely to be Moyse Le Affole or Laffoley, a name occuring in seigneurial court rolls in this neighbourhood. It has been suggested that the carved stone in the roadside wall is a chamfer stop, decorated with a building flying a pennant, similiar to that at The Elms, but other interpretations are possible.
The 1891 Census was undertaken 5/6 April.
Stewart
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So I guess the marriage date I was given is wrong.
It's unlikely she would be named by her maiden name, noted as being single, a visitor, and living on her own means two or three days after her marriage.
Thank you for the census date info.
Ken
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Oh dear, my fault, the certificate is in French Trois Aoiel Aoul ??1891, It is August not April , sorry
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MIke, If I never thanked you before, please accept these belated heartfelt wishes of gratitude! I have no problem accepting contributions nor acknowledging my my sources. Thank you!
Ken in California
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Are there records of some sort that would suggest the names of parents of Moyse LAFFOLEY?
I presume he was born about 1650 probably near St. Peters, but I haven't anything regarding his family and/or his parents.
What did these folks do for a living - farming and fishing? The small number of acres I have seen on the censuses and so forth, make me think it must have been tough to have enough income to feed a family comfortably. (I am most familiar with hundreds of acres in Western USA.)
Ken in California
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Hi Ken
The St Peter baptism index goes back to 1626 but there are no Laffoley's before 1671.
Stewart
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Thank you, Stewart.
As soon as I get LAFFOLEYs back that far, I will look elsewhere.
Ken in California