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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: KevH on Saturday 30 October 04 19:59 BST (UK)
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Hi :)
Can anyone give me any information for the following famlies.
Rollins,South,Wheeler,Bartlet (bartlett) Burt,Cooper,Baker, Willis.
I understand that the South family were carriers of some sort around the Fawley area.
William Henry Rollins would have been my Great Grandfather.
He married Annie South in 1890 I dont know if Annie died or they devorced but William remarried a Lillian Whitmore.
I look forward to hear from you.
KevH
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1891 England Census
Viewing records 1-3 of 3 matches for:
Rollins with Fawley
Rollins, Emma J 22 Fawley, Hampshire Daughter Fawley Hampshire
Rollins, John J 10 Fawley, Hampshire Son Fawley Hampshire
Rollins, Monie 53 Ealing, Hampshire Head Fawley Hampshire
South with Fawley
South, Dorothy R 1 Fawley, Hampshire Daughter Fawley Hampshire
South, Ellen Mary 28 Fawley, Hampshire Wife Fawley Hampshire
South, George 38 Fawley, Hampshire Head St Mary Hampshire
South, Jesse 27 Fawley, Hampshire Head Fawley Hampshire
South, William H 1.12 Fawley, Hampshire Son Fawley Hampshire
Wheeler & Fawley 71 matches (too Many- give name/ages)
Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County .
Bartlett, Emily 50 Hythe, Hampshire Wife Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, Frank 21 Tisbury, Wiltshire Son Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, Fred 19 Tisbury, Wiltshire Son Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, George 15 Hythe, Hampshire Son Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, James 17 Hythe, Hampshire Grandson Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, John 75 Dibden, Hampshire Head Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, Kate 13 Eberton, Dorset Daughter Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, Louisa 13 Hythe, Hampshire Daughter Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, Louisa 16 Tisbury, Wiltshire Daughter Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, Margaret May 11 Hythe, Hampshire Daughter Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, Mary 66 Dibden, Hampshire Wife Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, Mary 56 Ringwood, Hampshire Wife Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, Samuel 8 Hythe, Hampshire Son Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, Sarah 23 Hythe, Hampshire Daughter Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, William 49 Hythe, Hampshire Head Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, William 19 Hythe, Hampshire Son Fawley Hampshire
Bartlett, William 61 Marnell, Dorset Head Fawley Hampshire
Burt, Emma 70 Fawley, Hampshire Sister Fawley Hampshire
Burt, Harry 42 Fawley, Hampshire Nephew Fawley Hampshire
Cooper, Charles 71 Fawley, Hampshire Pauper Eling Hampshire
Cooper, Charles 47 Fawley, Hampshire Head Battersea London
Cooper, David 52 Fawley, Hampshire Head St Mary Extra Hampshire
Cooper, Elizabeth T 63 Fawley, Hampshire Wife St Mary Hampshire
Cooper, Ellen 53 Fawley, Hampshire Head Fawley Hampshire
Cooper, Emma 54 Fawley, Buckinghamshire Wife Woolwich London
Cooper, Francis 52 Fawley, Hampshire Head Eling Hampshire
Cooper, George 64 Fawley, Hampshire Head St Mary Extra Hampshire
Cooper, Henry 60 Dibden, Hampshire Head Fawley Hampshire
Cooper, James 60 Fawley, Hampshire Head St Mary Hampshire
Cooper, Martha 59 st ??, Southampton Wife Fawley Hampshire
Cooper, William 75 Fawley, Hampshire Father-in-law Fawley Hampshire
Baker & Fawley 67 matches
Willis, Annie 50 Fawley, Berkshire Wife Swindon Wiltshire
Willis, Florence E 23 Fawley, Hampshire Wife Selsey Sussex
Willis, Harriet 25 Fawley, Hampshire Sister Fawley Hampshire
Willis, Harry Mullett 3.12 Fawley, Hampshire Nephew Fawley Hampshire
Willis, Henry 20 Fawley, Hampshire Boarder Fawley Hampshire
Willis, James 64 Fawley, Hampshire Head St Mary Hampshire
Willis, Jane Anna 21 Fawley, Hampshire Wife Fawley Hampshire
Willis, John 86 Fawley, Hampshire Father-in-law Boldre Hampshire
Willis, Lenna 9 Fawley, Essex Daughter Rayne Essex
Willis, Oliver H 49 Fawley, Hampshire Head Islington London
Willis, Richard 50 Fawley, Hampshire Head St Mary Hampshire
Willis, Richard 17 Fawley, Hampshire Boarder St Mary Hampshire
Willis, Thomas 66 Fawley, Hampshire Head Fawley Hampshire
Willis, Thomas Rupert 2.12 Fawley, Hampshire Son Fawley Hampshire
Willis, Tom 23 Fawley, Hampshire Head Fawley Hampshire
Willis, William 15 Fawley, Hampshire Boarder St Mary Hampshire
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Hi Pauline.
Thanks for your reply :).
The rest of the information i need is before 1891 i believe so i dont know if you can help ?
But if you can i would be gratefull.
Thanks Kevin
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You would need to identify which indididuals you wish to trace beofre more advice can be usefully given
Pauline
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It's some while since you posted your message.
There are now quite a few transcribed Fawley records on the Hampahire OPC site;
http://www.knightroots.co.uk/
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I've done quite a bit of work on the Willis families of Fawley and neighbouring parishes, back to the 17th century. Happy to try to answer any questions if KevH comes back to this thread, or if anyone else is interested.
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Hi Richard, my ancestors lived in Fawley in the 1770s. Have you come across Thomas Rassell, Mary Withers or Mary Flight? Thomas was a Salt Duty Officer at Fawley who fathered these two Marys' children in 1771. I'm not aware of any Willis connection though.
Heather
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I've come across Thomas and Mary RASSEL. They lived in Ower in the 1770s, which is a small hamlet north of Calshot in Fawley parish, and where part of the WILLIS clan lived. I have record of baptisms for four children: Mary (1776), Ann (1777), Sarah (1780) and Hannah (1781). Probably the daughter Mary was buried 22 Jun 1777 in Beaulieu. You say he was a salt duty officer, which means he probably came from outside the area. I see the HGS index has a baptism for Thomas the illegitimate son of Thomas MASEL and Mary FLIGHT in 1771. MASEL may be a misreading of RASSEL. Thomas MASEL has another illegitimate child that year too: Betty daughter of Thomas MASEL and Molly WILTON. Possibly WILTON is a misreading of WITHERS, as WILTON is not a local surname while WITHERS is. I know for experience the Fawley baptism register in the 1760s and '70s is badly faded and particularly difficult to read, so misreadings of this sort is quite common in transcripts for this period. Have you looked at the register yourself?
I have a Mary FLIGHT marrying James BANKS in 1784 in Fawley. James is a distantly related to me. The surname FLIGHT seem to be common in Fawley in the first half of the 18th century and then die out. I've not looked at the family in much detail, but there are at least two Marys of a suitable age to be James's wife and/or the mother of Thomas's illegitimate child: one born 1744, the other 1750. I have no record of either dying young.
Do you know whether Mary WITHERS was from Fawley originally? Her marriage to Thomas was at Portsmouth in 1773. For that matter, are you sure the woman he married is the woman he had an illegitimate daughter with two years previously? I've come across a few WITHERS in my research, though more in Dibden or Eling than Fawley, but I can't find a Mary or Molly of a suitable age to be Thomas's wife.
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Wow! What a detailed reply, thank you for taking the time to respond so fully!
I'm descended from Thomas Flight (later Rassell) born 1771, son of Mary Flight and Thomas Rassell - I have a copy of the bastardy bond regarding a male child [obtained from Hampshire County Record Office]. There were two bastardy bonds within a month of each other, this one and another regarding Mary Withers and Thomas Rassell. Both bonds name Thomas Rassell, salt duty officer at Fawley and also his own father (another Thomas Rassell just to add to the confusion!) who was a salt duty officer at Hayling Island, therefore I surmise Thomas from Fawley was probably under 21 and his father would have been liable to pay if his son defaulted.
Thomas from Fawley married Mary Withers 16.06.1773 and had three daughters with her that I'm aware of: Betty (Elizabeth) born before 20.02.1771 which is the date of the second bastardy bond mentioned above regarding a female child, Mary Ann b. 17.03.1776 at Fawley who later married Thomas Tulk and Harriet b.1787 (so 21 years later which seems odd) who later married Robert Bowie Nelson. These three daughters are named in Thomas's will with Betty named as his natural daughter so therefore I surmise the female child of the 2nd bastardy bond.
I found the will of Thomas Rassell named in both bastardy bonds and here's the wording:
"after the Decease of my beloved wife Mary Rassell I give and bequeath unto my three Daughters (that is to say) I give unto my Natural Daughter Betty Rassell one third part of share of my Freehold messuage or tenement situate lying and being in Duncan Street in the Parish and County aforesaid. I give and bequeath unto my Daughter Mary Ann Tucks the Wife of Thomas Tucks [later amended to read Tulk and there was a Corn Factors partnership dissolved betweeen Rassell and Tulk in 1815 recorded in the local newspaper] one other third part of share of my Freehold Messuage or tenement situate lying and being in Duncan Street in the Parish and County aforesaid. I give and bequeath unto my Daughter Harriet Rassell one other third part of share of my Freehold messuage or tenement situate lying and being in Duncan Street in Parish and County aforesaid and after the Decease of my wife Mary Rassell all the rest residue and remainder of my household goods and chattels of every kind and denomination and wheresoever I give unto my three daughters heretofore mentioned"
I guess that his son Thomas referred to in the first bastardy bond who was born a Flight assumed the name Rassell at some point as his father only produced female children with Mary Withers. He gave the middle name Flight to his first three children and until some kind soul on Rootschat pointed out the bastardy bonds in Hampshire CRO I was mystified why they would have that name.
I don't think I have looked at the register you mentioned but considering I've been researching for many years and still haven't got all my notes properly in order there's a chance I may have done!
Unfortunately I don't have any information about Mary Withers as I've not researched her, being more interested in Mary Flight as she's my ancestor.
Thanks again for all your information and my apologies for the rambling nature of my reply!
Kind regards, Heather
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I think that Annie Rollins' death was recorded Dec 1887 Q at South Stoneham - the union workhouse at West End village was also used for medical care for poorer patients from the area.
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Thanks, Heather, for all that extra information. I expect you've got the dates of the Fawley baptisms, but in case not:
* Thomas, illegitimate son of Thomas MASEL [sic] and Mary FLIGHT, on 6 Jan 1771.
* Betty, illegitimate daughter of Thomas MASEL [sic] and Mary WILTON [sic], on 28 Jan 1771.
* Mary, daughter of Thomas and Mary RASEL of Ower, privately on 17 Mar 1776, received on 7 Jun 1776.
* Ann, daughter of Thomas and Mary RASEL of Ower, privately on 2 Nov 1777, received on 1 Feb 1778.
* Sarah, daughter of Thomas and Mary RASSEL of Ower, privately on 9 Jan 1780, received on 25 Jan 1780.
* Hannah, daughter of Thomas and Mary RASSELWALTHMAN [sic] of Ower, received on 4 Nov 1781.
Thomas, Betty and Mary you know about. I guess Ann, Sarah and Hannah died before Thomas (the father) wrote his will. I can't see burials in Fawley, but maybe they died elsewhere. I can't help with a baptism for Harriet. However I do have one burial that I find hard to explain. A Mary RASELL of Fawley was buried on 22 Jun 1777 in Beaulieu. If this wasn't Thomas and Mary's daughter, who was it? It can't have been the mother as two or three more children followed. Do you have any ideas? I wonder if it's possible that their daughter Mary did die in 1777 and that they had a later daughter of the same name. Do you have an age for Thomas TULK's wife Mary that might help us determine this? The marriage was in 1808 which would easily allow her to me born later than 1777. However there's a Thomas and Mary TULK living on Britain St, Portsea on the 1841 census, both given as aged 60-65 which is consistent with a 1777 baptism, if it's them.
To return to Mary FLIGHT, do you have any indication of her age? There are two possible baptisms in Fawley, and none in the nearby parishes:
* 10 Jun 1744, daughter of William junior and Mary FLIGHT; received in church on 3 Jul 1744.
* 10 Feb 1749/50, daughter of "Farmer" FLIGHT; had twin sister Martha.
There's a burial at Fawley of a Mary FLIGHT on 25 Feb 1768 which could be one of these children, but more likely is the mother of the first. I'm not sure who "Farmer" FLIGHT is. It could be William junior, in which case the first Mary presumably died; or it could have been William senior, who I suspect was William junior's father and who had recently taken a much younger second wife, Sarah Wright; or it could have been someone else entirely. But at the moment my guess is that "Farmer" FLIGHT is the father of William junior, and therefore the younger of the two girls named Mary baptised in the 1740s was the aunt of the older one.
There are two marriages for a Mary FLIGHT. One is at Lymington to George WARE on 13 Nov 1783; the other is at Fawley to James BANKS on 17 Aug 1784. I cannot say which marriage goes with which Mary FLIGHT baptism; nor do I know which of these women was the mother of your ancestor, Thomas FLIGHT / RASSELL, but presumably one of them was. George and Mary WARE had two children, George (born 8 Sept 1787) and Mary (born 10 Aug 1790), but either of the children baptised in Fawley would potentially still have been of child-bearing age by then, so we're none the wiser. So far as I'm aware James and Mary BANKS did not have children, and I suspect James died a few months after the marriage, so that doesn't help untangle which Mary FLIGHT is which either.
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Thanks Richard! I didn't have all those baptisms, very helpful :)
As for Mary Rasell buried in Beaulieu I don't know the answer but there were a lot of Rassell variants around Hampshire /West Sussex around that time - she could be from another branch to mine. There's a website for a Rassell Family Tree available to view online that I haven't yet managed to connect to my ancestors, so perhaps she is one of the Mary births that appears or of course she could have married into the name. I'm also in touch with someone who has researched the Rasell name and variants in great detail, they reckon the elder Thomas Rassell on the bonds was born 1701 in Chichester, married 1729 in Chichester and died 1790 in Fawley.
I think the Thomas and Mary Tulk living in Britain Street in 1841 are right. I have a newspaper advertisement dated 19.06.1821 when Thomas Rassell (born 1771) is selling up his house and contents at 49 St George's Square Portsea to move to London. It's full of delicious detail of his furnishings and mentions that the house sale includes a tenement adjoining in Britain Street that was in occupation by a Mr. Crips at that time. It seems likely Thomas's half sister Mary Ann and Thomas Tulk were living in this street for several years.
I don't know how old Mary Flight would have been, but I guess I assumed that as Thomas (salt duty at Fawley) appears to be a minor in the bastardy bond, if my assumption that his father also being named is for that reason is correct, then I imagined both Marys in the bonds would also have been young but I have no proof. It's probably not relevant but there's no history of twins in our family so perhaps the Mary with twin sister Martha isn't a good candidate??
It's all very interesting but difficult to unravel to say the least!
Thank you for your help
Kind regards, Heather