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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: Kevwood on Sunday 30 July 06 20:55 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I have been told by a relative about a link to Jamaica through my SALMON branch of the tree, and i have some copies of old wills.
The main ones were John, William and Thomas Stokes Salmon.
They were involved in the slave trade there from the late 1700s to 1850ish, owning a plantation called Fullerswood in St.Elizabeth.
I am wondering if anyone knows about Jamican church records etc as their BMD records didn't start til 1870.
I have googled all the things i can think of , so to save people trying that i thought i would mention it.
Anyone with experience of finding these records or inside knowledge your help will be very much appreciated.
Thanks,
Kev. ;D
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Have you seen this Kev ??
OTHER PLACES of INTEREST
Ashton Pen -
Once owned by the Burlton family with Mount Charles HBJ1840
once owned by Earl family, HBJ1915
1915: 365 acres
1998: now a smart Greathouse hotel just outside Black River.
From Government Gazette, 1813, Ashton Pen, part of Longwood Pen,
300 acres in district of Santa Cruz, and binding upon Emmaus Pen,
for sale for £2000 in 2 parts, or 1500 down.
Fellowship property owned by Jno S. Cooper 1915 HBJ1915
Font Hill, in St Elizabeth & Westmoreland, named from Font Hill Manor,,
was owned by Sir William Beckford, Lord Mayor of London, an absentee
landlord of sugar plantations in Jamaica in the 18th Century. DPNJ.
This was a big Estate in the SW corner of St Elizabeth owned by the
Beckford family until they went bust in 1821, when it passed from the
family. Octavius M. described at his burial in 1840 as a Planter,
resident at Font Hill. A Samuel M married Camilla Beckford, both of
Font Hill, in 1850.
In April 2002, the Font Hill estate is a research forestry plantation
owned by Petrol Company of Jamaica: the original greathouse has
disappeared.
Fullerswood (Salmon):
"Jamaica Surveyed" by BW Higman describes a plantation called
Fullerswood which in 1860 was owned by John Salmon: it is on the
East bank of the Estuary of the Black River in St Elizabeth: this
John Salmon was probably the Executor of Francis M.'s will.
Seen in April 2002, but now a relatively modern house of little
interest: could be seen to have been originally an attractive entrance.
http://www.antonymaitland.com/jamgenrl.htm
Annie
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Yes, seen it thanks.
John Salmon is referred to as the Honourable John Salmon in some things and seems to be executor to lots of wills.
I am amazed i can't find anything directly about the family they seem to be quite influencial.
Thank anyway ;D
Kev.
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Hi Kev,
Have you checked on Cyndi's List? There seem to be some Jamaican and general Carribean resources listed here:
http://www.cyndislist.com/hispanic.htm
Prue
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Cheers Prue,
found this straight away, same John Salmon as above:
The Hon. John Salmon, Custos of St. Elizabeth and last President of the Privy and Legislative Councils of Jamaica from 1856 to 1865, was a leading Sugar Planter and Penkeeper. He owned no less than five Sugar and Cattle Estates in St. Elizabeth parish, namely Fullerswood, Vauxhall, Maggotty, Middlesex and The Kepp, and was one of the largest Landed Proprietors in Jamaica, owning several thousand acres. He resided at Fullerswood Great House, near Black River, and raised fine Thoroughbred Racehorses on his Estate. He married Emily Margaret Senior, daughter of Bernard Martin Senior, Esq. of Salt Spring Estate, St. Elizabeth. Mr. Senior was the Author of the book "Jamaica as It Was, As It is and As It Maybe", one of the few first-hand accounts of the Slave Rebellion of 1831-1832 ever published.
My Salmons are earlier but related somehow.
Kev. ;D
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Hi Kev,
Excellent! I particularly like the name "Maggotty" ??? ;D
I noticed that on FamilySearch there are lots of SALMON/SALOMON in the Carribean. Many of them are of French origin (they have very French given names).
You will surely turn up something...if they were landowners, slave owners and local magistrates/parliamentarians/whatever, there will be records somewhere.
Have you tried the National Archives?
Prue
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I haven't tried the NA yet Prue.
The three wills i got today are John Salmon from 1700 and William and Thomas Stokes Salmon from 1795, but they are very long and very hard to read. Also they all have the same bloody names!!! i leave to my nephew Thomas Stokes Salmon son of my brother william blah blah , i also leave blah blah to William son of my my brother Thomas Stokes Salmon!!!!! Which ones are which is gonna be a nightmare.
Kev.
oh yeah and Maggoty is a great name ;D ;D
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Hi Kev,
Damn those ancestors and their unimaginative naming conventions!!! ;D
Good luck reading the wills, and looking for more info. If we can help, give us a yell.
If I hadn't already named my house "Ungainly Manor", I might have considered "Maggotty" :D
Prue
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I don't know anything but you could try a LDS library search to see what records they have ..............
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0oo/
Casalguidi
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http://www.jamaicanfamilysearch.com/
Annie :)
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I came across this .... the same John Salmon you found .... but I didn't note the resource - I'll have to go back and find it !! :) :)
John Salmon and his wife Emily Margaret Senior according to their son's marriage certificate John was a Sugar Planter. Edward Vidal Salmon was born 1854 at St Elizabeth - not known when they left Jamaica, but Edward married 31.10.1892 Winton Queensland Australia, Ida Emily Tompson Bode, they had at least 2 sons, Jack and Dudley
;D
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'Ere,'Ere,Ere!
Let's not forget that there are a few Salomon/Salmon's in Ireland.The Frenchified mob were probably in disguise!
That should do your head in Kev?
;) ;DGoggy.
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Thanks Cas, tried it and nothing
Annie, been to that site and considering subscribing, hoping that maybe someone has and can let me know if its worth it.
Thanks for your help ;D
Goggy, pack that in!! :P can you imagine the accent on an irish, jamaican frenchman!!
Kev.
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In the latest series of Who Do You Think You Are from BBC TV - the British/Welsh athlete Colin Jackson traces his family history in Jamaica.
There are several references to sources and research places, I think the main Record office for Jamaica was The Islands RO.
You may be able to find more on the web site
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/
Best wishes,
SM ...
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Thanks SM
I watched that one and thought it was very good.
I am trying to convince the wife to come on a trip to Jamaica so i can have a look in the records office, it seems to be harder than i thought it would be!!
Kev. ;D
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While we are on about Jamaican genealogy, has anyone seen anything about the Channer family - George Channer I think it was - who had a plantation in Black River Jamaica in about 1807 when he married a Mary Weller.
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It's well worth paying $8 (US) for a one month subscription to http://www.jamaicanfamilysearch.com/ They have masses of useful stuff - BMD's, directories, newspapers, inscriptions etc. I just did a search on that site for Salmon and came up with hits in 260 separate document databases (only 10 for Channer though).
Don't be put off by the slightly cumbersome subscription process - it is a good service.
I just got this email from Patricia on the latest updates to the site:
"New pages have been added at jamaicanfamilysearch.com.
1. The List of Proprietors and Properties from the 1821 Almanac. This continues the "filling in" process of putting all these lists online.
2. Inventories and Appraisals of the personal estate and rights of selected deceased individuals for 1747-1879. Inventories include the names of the deceased, their administrators or executors, the appraisers, and the names of hundreds of slaves and of persons who were indebted to the deceased for goods purchased, services rendered, or notes issued.
3. Roman Catholic burials 1814-1818 in Kingston. This completes a gap in the transcriptions from Volume 4 (which contained nearly 600 pages).
4. The wills of 7 individuals who lived in Jamaica, from wills in the National Archives in England. They include Duncan Campbell and Alexander McCallum.
5. Excerpts from letters written by Duncan Campbell 1766 to 1797.
6. A photograph of the memorial in the Lucea churchyard to the children of Alexander McCallum"
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Not sure if this site can help or not, but thought it was worth listing.
National Library of Jamaica
http://www.nlj.org.jm/docs/Natis.htm
Here is a link that lists different book sources.
http://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/sources.htm
This link shows other interests in your line.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/jamaica/
My niece's husband has an interest in Jamaica, through his Turner line.
Janice
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Thanks Janice - all noted
diana
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Dear Kevwood
The Salmons are relatives of mine. There are quite a few John Salmons. One of them is my 6th Great grandfather. If you research the Salmon family thoroughly you will eventually find a link to William the Conquer!
The family came originally from Thornbury, Gloucester, England before they went to Jamaica. I would search records in that area to find relatives as well as Jamaica. Some information below may be of help.
Hope this helps.
Roger
Middle name: Occupation:
Surname: Salmon Date of birth: 1714
Year of birth: 1714 Date of baptism:
Gender: Male Year of death: 1800
Date of death: 8 MAY 1800 Source of data: Thornbury, Gloucester Thornbury, Gloucester Bristo
Place of birth: Bristol/Alveston
Place of baptism:
Place of death: Thornbury, Gloucester aged 86
Notes: John Salmon and family probably took advantage of the various Acts for Introduction and Encouragement of White Settlers passed 15th May 1736, 21st May 1743, 2nd July 1747 and October 1750. Each were granted a quantity of Land. It is likely that John Salmon (father) and sons Thomas Stokes Salmon, William Salmon and Brice Webb Salmon were vthe four Salmons listed as going to Jamaica probably after 1757 and the birth of John's last child Nathanial in 1757. 1759 LIPPIATT, Thomas - of Thornbury, Tayler, 10 Feb 1759. Executors: son John & good friends John SALMON (1717) gent & Benjamin ADIS cooper both of Thornbury. They are to sell his house & use profits/ rents to settle debts, and pay to his wife Mary LIPPIATT 2s per week for life. Money remaining to be divided between sons John & Benjamin and daughter Hannah. Witnesses: Ursula GROVE, Mary GROVE & Geo. ROLPH. [Proved 28 Mar 1759] GEORGE ROLPH was one of the executors of the wills of sons WILLIAM SALMON 1743 and THOMAS STOKES SALMON 1744 Mayor of Thornbury 1756-1758 and 1766-1767
Spouse name: Ann Stokes
Place of marriage: Thornbury, Gloucester
Date of marriage: 2 FEB 1735
Divorced: No
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If no one has mentioned this before, you should definitely check the mormon website: www.lds.org and do a simple search on just the last name. I gave it a try and it brought up a list of Salmon in the caribbean, with Jamaica and Barbados as the dominant islands. Good luck and I hope this helps in some way.
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I have a photo of Hon J Salmon and in all probability his son as well as his daughter Elisabeth Frances who Married Richard Ramsden a Barrister. Their daughter Elsie Noel Married Major Auberon Howell of the Indian Army whose Daughter Barbara was my aunt.
Hon J Salmon was as you have probably found out president of the Privy Council of Jamaica and lived there in the 1840's and earlier
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Hi Kevwood
I'd be interested in knowing a bit more about what is in the three wills you have: John Salmon, Thomas Stokes Salmon and William Salmon - John and William are my 5x and 4x great grandfathers.
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Magotty was probably prounounced with the accent on the second syllable rather than the first :P :P i.e. ma-got-ee with a very short a.
Back in 1990 I visited Kingston Jamaica and the lady director of their National Library said they often had people from UK seeking ancestral info.
At least yours can be traced back to UK.
My Billy Blue was black and no doubt the family were originally slaves belonging to someone called Blue. The director and her staff looked for info for me but without success.
Good luck!
Dawn M
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I am actually researching the ramsden family Hugh h c son if Richard ramsden married violet Natalie ewen daughter of fanny Tate and William John ewen in Jamaica can anyone tell me when and where in jamaica richard got married and where Elizabeth Frances was born
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Hi Rolfia
If you go to the Jamaican Civil Birth Register on familysearch and search for Ramsden, you will find two births registered to Hugh Ramsden and Nathalie Ewen/Owen in St James - a son Hugh in 1908 and a daughter (unnamed) in 1909.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://familysearch.org/searchapi/search/collection/1538386
The images of the birth registrations can be viewing by browsing the using the digital folder number (go back to the search page and "browse the digital collection". For the female, the folder number is 4566280. The image is page 215 of 2736.
You may want to start a new topic with these names in the title.
Hope that helps
Helen
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thank you for your trouble i was actually looking for the marriage of richard ramsden and elizabeth f salmon
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Hi i noticed you are interested in the surname Salmon. I have recently found out that i have some connections with the Salmon family. Through a David Salmon who I've been told was a nephew to my great grandmother whose name was Lilian Dockery. She was from St Elizabeth Jamaica. Also a possible connection through the surnames Reid, Wright, West and Levy
I also have a ancestor my 4th great grandmother who in 1826 was a enslaved person to John Salmon in Jamaica. Her name was Sophia West age 1 year old.
I'm thinking The Salmons maybe of the same family?
Do you have any connections to any of these names?