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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: LindsaySiam on Friday 28 July 06 15:42 BST (UK)
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Elizabeth Hewitt, daughter of Joseph Hewitt and Charlotte Wright was born c. 1857 in Baillieston according to all the census info .. but she has no birth certificate that I can find, nor OPR always supposing that she may have been born actually before 1855.
She died between 1923 and 1942. She is not mentioned as deceased on the 1923 marriage certificate of her son William Lyon Gibson or the 1922 marriage certificate of her daughter Jane Hewitt Gibson but is deceased on the death certificate of Jane Hewitt Gibson (then Findlay) in 1942. Again, I can't find a death certificate ...
She was married 11 Jun 1878 in Baillieston to Andrew Gibson (there is a certificate ;)) and they lived for all their married life at Jellyhill Farm in Cadder where Andrew died in 1903. Her children William Lyon Gibson and Jane Hewitt Gibson above both married at Jellyhill so presumably the family was still there in 1922/23.
What happened to her? Any thoughts welcome!
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Hi,
Her parents were married:
JOSEPH HEWITT
CHARLOTTE WRIGHT
Marriage: 27 AUG 1854 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Her Siblings:
JAMES CLYDESDALE HEWIT
Birth: 07 JAN 1855 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOSEPH HEWIT
Mother: CHARLOTTE WRIGHT
WILLIAM HEWETT
Birth: 08 APR 1861 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOSEPH HEWETT
Mother: CHARLOTT WRIGHT
ANDREW HEWITT
Birth: 01 MAY 1866 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOSEPH HEWITT
Mother: CHARLOTTE WRIGHT
CHARLOTTE HEWITT
Birth: 02 JAN 1864 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOSEPH HEWITT
Mother: CHARLOTTE WRIGHT
JANE HEWITT
Birth: 04 JAN 1869 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOSEPH HEWITT
Mother: CHARLOTTE WRIGHT
AGNES HEWITT
Birth: 26 AUG 1872 Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Father: JOSEPH HEWITT
Mother: CHARLOTTE WRIGHT
I am still looking for her birth.
Janice
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Here is the 1881 Census info for her parents.
Gillies Land Crosshill
Old Monkland, Lanark
Joseph HEWITT M 65 M Inch, Wigtown, Scotland Head Colliery Labourer
Charlotte HEWITT M 46 F Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland Wife
Robert HEWITT U 22 M Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Son Coal Miner
William HEWITT U 19 M Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland
Son Coal Miner
Andrew HEWITT U 14 M Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Son Coal Miner
Her Sister:
Hill Of Kilncadzow
Carluke, Lanark, Scotland
(Home of Alex and Marion Allison)
Charlotte HEWIT U 17 F Bailliston, Renfrew, Scotland Serv
Gen Servant
Jellyhill
Cadder, Lanark, Scotland
Andrew GIBSON M 36 M East Kilbride, Lanark, Scotland Head Ag Lab
Elizabeth GIBSON M 24 F Bailiston, Lanark, Scotland Wife Ag Lah Wife
Thomas GIBSON 7 M Blantyre, Lanark, Scotland Son Scholar
Margaret GIBSON 5 F Cumbuslang, Lanark, Scotland Daur Scholar
Andrew GIBSON 1 M Bailiston, Lanark, Scotland Son
Charlotte GIBSON 1 m F Cadder, Lanark, Scotland Daur
Janice
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There is:
1 Elizabeth Hewitt (using Soundex) born in 1855 in Old Monkland (same as her siblings were)
1 Elizabeth Hewitt (using Soundex) born in 1858 in Greenock, Renfrew
1 Elizabeth Hewitt (using Soundex) born in 1860 in Abbey, Renfrew
I would be inclined to look at the one in Old Monkland, as that is the same place her sister Charlotte was born, and Charlotte also listed Balliston as her place of birth on the 1881 Census. I found them on Scotlands People at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk There is a charge to view the certificates.
Janice
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Hello Janice, thanks for taking all this trouble and I appreciate the credits that you spent to get the 3 births of an Elizabeth Hewitt but none of them are her ... please let me know if I can reciprocate credits, will do so willingly for any of yours.
The 1855 bc of James Clydesdale Hewitt shows he was Charlotte's first child so I know Elizabeth was born after him and presumably before William Hewitt in 1861 - all census data and age on mc (21 in 1878) is consistent with her being born in 1857. I have more or less given up on finding a bc but can't believe I can't find a dc either.
regards,
Lindsay
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Can I ask a question on this from someone more experienced?
Andrew died 1903 when Elizabeth Gibson ms Hewitt would be about 46yo (and maybe fancy-able enough to catch the eye of another man!)
IF Elizabeth remarried, how could her death be searched for on Scotland's People? There’s an option only for 2 surnames, so which 2 would you search for?
What I’m trying to say is : Would Scotland's People index any second marriage under her maiden name of Hewitt or her widow’s name of Gibson?
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Hello Kate, it's a good question, from what I have seen on others, the maiden name (if known) is always indexed and I have seen entries with more than one name shown under the Other Surnames column. SP says "Married women are indexed under their maiden surname and any married surname(s)." so presumably there may be more than one Index entry pointing to the same certificate.
A search on SP for an Elizabeth Hewitt born 1857 +- 5 years, died between 1903 (when Andrew Gibson died) and 1942 shows only 5 and none of them are her. I have tried also every combination of soundex, *, ?, etc that I can think of and have rapidly got nowhere .....
I considered that she might have remarried but checking with others in my family, they don't think so, nor does anybody think that she left the country although that is the only other possibility that I can think of.
regards,
Lindsay
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Hi Lindsay,
I know you have probably spent a fortune on SP trying to locate her birth, but have you seen the one for a Bethia Hewitt in Old Monkland for 1860? I am wondering if her name was not actually Elizabeth as being the reason that you cannot find her, and this one could be a possibility ???
Modified: I double-checked this on IGI and its the wrong parents :( Sorry!
Good luck with finding her.
Cheers,
Clare
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Hi Linday
The one thing I find strange is that none of the 1856-60 births are showing for the family in Lanark. Robert b. c1858/9 also in New Monkland (according to the 1881 Census) doesn't show either on both SP and IGI. There is one birth of a Robert in New Monkland in 1859, but that is to another family (Father: JOSEPH HOWAT/ Mother: SARAH STEWART). Their first child in 1855, James, shows on IGI and then nothing until William's birth in 1861.
I've searched for her birth and any others in that late 1850s period using just the individual batch codes on IGI in Lanark, which as you know makes the search fields very flexible, and nothing.
Have you found the family in the 1861 Census?
Regards.
Monica
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Hi Clair, yes, I had seen it, thanks for reminding me, I'd meant to have a look at that family also, they may have some connection to mine ...
Monica, you are right, hadn't noticed that before but now when I check my dates, I have only the year for Elizabeth (1857), Robert (1859) and William (1862).
The 1861 (Baillieston) shows the children from Joseph Hewitt's previous marriage (his first wife died), then James aged 6, Elizabeth aged 4 and Robert aged 2 - all 3 born in Ballieston. There were another 4 children born after that, all in Baillieston.
regards,
Lindsay
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I’m putting forward this idea because we’d had a similar, equally frustrating situation.
We’d been searching for my Grandad’s bc and 3 years and a lot of money later, we finally found it – under his mother’s maiden name -with his birth certificate marked “illegitimate”.
I wonder if maybe the person who reported Elizabeth's death gave incorrect information?
Straws firmly clutched, I searched for her death between 1902 and 1942. There’s an Elizabeth Gibson, other surname of WRIGHT, who died in 1932, in Springburn, aged 72, so born 1860. (I’m sure you know that the age given on death certificates is not always accurate.)
Springburn is right next door to Bishopbriggs (where Jelly Hill Farm was) and was/is Stobhill Hospital at that time.
So – depending on how desperate you are to find Elizabeth - I’d have a peek at the 1932 dc....
Hope this helps - rather than confuse matters!! Let me know how you get on…..
Good luck.
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Thanks Kate, it was a good thought but that Elizabeth is an Elizabeth Gibson married to a Daniel Wright. I am beginning to think that I might have to track down Andrew Gibson's grave and see if there are any clues there.
regards,
Lindsay
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from a NZ source:
On March 17 1913, Duncan and Elizabeth Jackson(Gibson) landed in new Zealand from Glasgow together with younger sister Isabella and settled in Otago. In about 1924, William Gibson and his wife Annie, daughter Betty set out for New Zealand together with the mother, Mrs Elizabeth Gibson who would be about 70 years at the time. Bill settled in the Omaru are where most of his family still live. Granny Gibson died 7 June 1938 aged 84 years.
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Hello Kath, thank you for this information, I did find Elizabeth a while back - it is so long since I posted this I had forgotten about it - and knew about William and his wife going to Oamaru with her but not about the girls going earlier. You will not believe it but having torn my hair out over Elizabeth for years, my mother (she was my father's great grandmother) said to me a couple of years ago 'oh you should have asked me, I knew she was in NZ' ::)
Are you related to the family? I knew them when I was small many years ago and have often thought I really should take a trip down to Oamaru (I am in Wellington) and look them up again.
regards,
Lindsay