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Title: MC's - are they always Gazetted?
Post by: Vic Emb on Tuesday 25 July 06 21:19 BST (UK)
I have a relative by marriage who was given the Military Cross during WW1 (but I'm unsure as to whether or not it was posthumous). The award is confirmed in his listing on the CWGC site, but interrogation of the London Gazette archives comes up with nothing to support it. A surviving nephew of his would very much like to know the circumstances of the award.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to proceed - does it involve an MoD  Records trawl?

Vic
Title: Re: MC's - are they always Gazetted?
Post by: Kevwood on Tuesday 25 July 06 21:47 BST (UK)
Hi Vic,

It should be in the gazette, but it is notoriously hard to find things.

Post the details and i will have a look, i know a few tricks.

Kev. ;D
Title: Re: MC's - are they always Gazetted?
Post by: Vic Emb on Tuesday 25 July 06 22:00 BST (UK)
Hello Kev,
 The details, from CWGC site are:

Second Lieutenant Frederick Thomas Edwards
                                MC
8th Bn., The King's (Liverpool Regiment)
who died age 33
on 20 October 1918
Son of etc....................
Tournai Communal Cemetary

I don't have his number or anything other than this. I wonder if he was commisioned in the field as he seems a little old to be a 2nd Lt?!

Much obliged for the assist.

Vic
Title: Re: MC's - are they always Gazetted?
Post by: Kevwood on Tuesday 25 July 06 22:04 BST (UK)
This will be his medal index card and has his number

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=3624061&queryType=1&resultcount=2
Title: Re: MC's - are they always Gazetted?
Post by: Vic Emb on Tuesday 25 July 06 22:27 BST (UK)
Hello Kev,

Thanks again for assist. I have seen references to medal cards before on this site but now it seems that I need to go & do some reading up!

I'll post further when that's done & when I've tackled the download-probably tomorrow!

Vic


Title: Re: MC's - are they always Gazetted?
Post by: harribobs on Thursday 27 July 06 11:28 BST (UK)
Quote from: Vic Emb on Tuesday 25 July 06 22:00 BST (UK)
Second Lieutenant Frederick Thomas Edwards

                                 I wonder if he was commisioned in the field as he seems a little old to be a 2nd Lt?!



i suspect he was, SDGW lists him as Temp. 2nd Lt and his medal card lists him as a private ( probably for his 14/15 star)

i failed to find anything in the LG myself as well
Title: Re: MC's - are they always Gazetted?
Post by: Wendi on Thursday 27 July 06 12:41 BST (UK)
Hi Vic

I could not find him in the Gazette either.

Quote from: Kevwood on Tuesday 25 July 06 21:47 BST (UK)
but it is notoriously hard to find things.
:-\

 I was wondering if there might be mention in the Regiment's War Diary, here is the link to the Museum.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0od/

Wendi :)
Title: Re: MC's - are they always Gazetted?
Post by: manchester regt on Thursday 27 July 06 12:48 BST (UK)
try promenade on the great war forum,his names joe,his data base for the liverpool regt stands at about 80.000,pretty sure he can fill in the gaps,mack
Title: Re: MC's - are they always Gazetted?
Post by: OldBraggs on Thursday 27 July 06 17:25 BST (UK)
11 jan. 1919

T./2nd Lt. Frederick Thomas Edwards, L'pool R., attd. 8th Bn., T.F.
When he reached the objective he found his platoon had been reduced to five men, and his flanks were all covered, but he held on to his position with gallantry and determination, and only when in imminent dansfer of being completely surrounded he retired, contesting every yard of ground.

Steve
Title: Re: MC's - are they always Gazetted?
Post by: Wendi on Thursday 27 July 06 17:37 BST (UK)
Right Result Steve ;D. 

Would 11 Jan 1919 be the date it was awarded ie. posthumously ?

Vic I'm sure you are doubly proud of him now you know the circumstances.

Wendi