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I am looking for information on the Cooper family, parents Francis and Jane
Their son Thomas was born in Ripley in 1823 and I have the parents names from the IGI , and also Francis from Thomas' marriage cert. At the time of this marriage in 1848 Francis was an Overseer, and Thomas lived in Cheetham.
I had tried on the W Riding site to find the parents but with no luck so would be interested if anyone can see them in Lancashire. The reason for looking in Lancashire is that Thomas married Ann Tomlinson in Manchester in 1848.
I'm afraid I don't know Francis and Jane's ages (in 1841). They may even be on later census returns
I would like to confirm Thomas' parents names, and find their years of birth and birth places if possible
Regards
Shelagh
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Hi Shelagh,
1841 census
Ages above 15 rounded down to nearest 0 or 5
HO107/579/12 Folio 6 page 10
Cheetham S, Cheetham, Manchester
Francis Cooper, 40, Assistant Oversr, Not born in County
Jane, 40, Not born in County
Jane, 20, Not born in County
Ann, 20, Not born in County
Thomas, 15, Warehouse M, Not born in County
Joseph, 15, Fireman??? or Turner?, Born in County
John Allman, 25, Ag Lab, Not born in County
I will go and have a look on the 1851 and see if I can find them. I did look before and found a Francis Allanson Cooper Born Ripley, Yorks 1818 who looks like he could belong to the same family.
Regards,
Mo
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Hi Shelagh
1851 - 132 Market St., Manchester - HO107/2229 Folio 126 Page 53
Thomas Cooper 22, Grocer & Provision Dealer, b Ripley Yorks
Ann 23, b Chorlton on Medlock, Manchester
Jane 3, b Cheetham Manchester
Ann 1, b Cheetham Manchester
Jane A Kelly 15, servant, b Manchester
Regards ... Sheila
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Hi again,
Think we are on the right track:
1851 census
HO107/2232 Folio 194 page 15
Bent? House, Elizabeth Street, Cheetham
Francis Allanson Cooper, H, M, 33, Salesman, Yorkshire Ripley
Maria, Wife, 32, Lancashire Salford
Francis Charles Cooper, Son, U, 9, Scholar, Manchester
Robert Wright Cooper, Son, U, 6, Scholar Manchester
Frederic, Son, 4, Scholar, Manchester
Ann, Daur, 9m?, Manchester
Eliza Dawson, Visitor, U, 32?, Salford
Susanna Higgins, U, Servant, 21, House Servant, Middlesex London
NEXT DOOR:
Elizabeth Street, Cheetham
Jane Cooper, Head, Mar, 58, Yorkshire Harswith?? (sorry)
Joseph Son, Wid, 25, Farmer 17 Acres employing 2 men, Lancashire Manchester
Ann Robinson, Servant, U, ?0, House Maid, Delemere Park Cheshire
William Carr, Servant, U, ?. Farm Labourer, Cheshire Bur??????
Sorry for all the question marks but it is a very bad page to read.
Regards,
Mo
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Hi Shelagh,
I have been puzzling over Janes place of birth and although it looks like Harswith I suspect it is possibly Hartwith which is four miles west of Ripley.
HTH,
Regards,
Mo
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Many thanks to you both for all this info - looks great and adds a lot to my knowledge. I'll go away and digest it all.
Shelagh
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All this info has got me thinking about my research again !!!
I would also be interested in Ann's parents. She was a Tomlinson . On the marriage cert (1848) she is 20 ( and 23 on the 1851 census you gave me) her father is Peter a Joiner.
there is an Ann christened at Cathedral Manchester in 1828 on the IGI giving parents as Peter and Alice and her residence is Boundary street, Hulme
Regards
Shelagh
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Hi Shelagh,
1841 census:
HO107/571/6 Folio 6 Page 6
Richmond Street, Manchester
All born in County
Peter Tomlinson, 45, Joiner
Alice, 45
Edwd, 17
Anne, 13
Louisa, 11
Lucy, 9
Regards,
Mo
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Mo,
Thanks again for the info.
Shelagh
If anyone can see the 1851 census that would give me more info re Peter and Alice's birth.
However I guess I've got back as far as I can.
Does anyone know how to go back further, with any degree of confidence.
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Hi Shelagh,
I was idly looking for Francis Cooper's birth (not successfully) when I found your posts.
He was a farmer in Ripley and married Jane Skaife in Ripon in 1816. That's all I know about him. Jane was baptised in 1794 to Robert and Mary at Hampsthwaite near Harrogate. There is a reasonably well-authenticated line of Skaifes in the area going back as far as 1691 (all in the IGI).
My interest is in Thomas Cooper - I still don't know when he died - and his daughters Ann Eliza and Hannah Skaife. The former married my G Grandfather and lived in Glasgow. Her sister took her place when she died.
Hope this is useful if you don't already know it.
Stephen
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Hi Shelagh,
I was idly looking for Francis Cooper's birth (not successfully) when I found your posts.
He was a farmer in Ripley and married Jane Skaife in Ripon in 1816. That's all I know about him. Jane was baptised in 1794 to Robert and Mary at Hampsthwaite near Harrogate. There is a reasonably well-authenticated line of Skaifes in the area going back as far as 1691 (all in the IGI).
My interest is in Thomas Cooper - I still don't know when he died - and his daughters Ann Eliza and Hannah Skaife. The former married my G Grandfather and lived in Glasgow. Her sister took her place when she died.
Hope this is useful if you don't already know it.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
sorry I didn't spot your reply earlier.
I am descended from Thomas Cooper and Ann Tomlinson via their daughter Mary Ellen Cooper.
She moved to glasgow after her first husband died (1883) and I always wondered why. but presumably she moved there because her only family was her sisters and they were there.
Since my original post here I have quite a bit about Thomas and also the Skaife's which I will dig out for you and send in a few days
I'll be in touch
Shelagh
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She moved to glasgow after her first husband died (1883) and I always wondered why. but presumably she moved there because her only family was her sisters and they were there.
And the move to Glasgow also coincided with her sister's death!
My mother, who lived in Pollokshields, remembers her (she was known as Polly) living in Shawlands so the two sisters must have exchanged visits.
What I have on the Skaifes/Coopers is at http://windhillorigins.co.uk/familyhistory_files/skaife/index.htm.
Funnily enough, I visited Hampsthwaite at the weekend to see what it is like.
Will look forward to an exchange of info.
Stephen
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Hi Shelagh
The Manchester 1851 census was water damaged, but a great deal has been recovered by M&SFHS
This is a possibility.
1851 Chorlton on Medlock Unfilmed
35 Berwick St
TOMLINSON
Peter Head M ?? Liverpool
Alice Wife M 52 Preston
L.....? Dau U 20 Manchester Dressmaker
Susan Dau U 18 Manchester Cap Maker
Hope this helps
Dave
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Hi Shelagh
The Manchester 1851 census was water damaged, but a great deal has been recovered by M&SFHS
This is a possibility.
1851 Chorlton on Medlock Unfilmed
35 Berwick St
TOMLINSON
Peter Head M ?? Liverpool
Alice Wife M 52 Preston
L.....? Dau U 20 Manchester Dressmaker
Susan Dau U 18 Manchester Cap Maker
Hope this helps
Dave
it certainly does look as if it could be the right family.
many thanks for this info
Shelagh