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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Nightingale on Sunday 23 July 06 19:09 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace the birth/baptism of ggg grandfather Edward Helme who, according to the 1851 census, was born 1805/06 in Chipping, Lancs.
He married a lady called Mary ?? from Soyland (Ripponden) Yorkshire and their first child Thomas was born in Caton, Lancashire in 1835 or thereabouts.
As a matter of interest does anyone know where Chipping and Caton are as I have never heard of them.
Thanks
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Hi
Chipping is in the hills above Longridge (about 20 mins from Preston) and Caton is near Lancaster.
Both quite rural villages in beautiful parts of Lancashire.
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Thanks very much. Don't suppose you know where the parish records for these two places are kept.
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I certainly do!! ;D
They are at Lancashire Records Office - try - http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/education/record_office/
If you want one quick look up I don't mind doing one for you when I go again on Monday. If you want to search through and look for lots of info you would need to visit.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks very much. Whenever you go again if you could just have a look and see if the marriage of Edward to Mary is recorded at either Chipping or Caton pre 1835.
I will be looking at the parish records for this areasoon to see if they were married in Yorkshire.
Once again many thanks.
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Nightingale
I normally go to the records office on a Tuesday night (late opening) BUT I won't be there again until the second week of Sept due to my dad being in hospital and two weeks on holiday!
More than happy to have a look for you when I get back............. please send me a PM to remind me!!
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Nightingale
Do you think that Edward could have married twice?Have you got him on the 1841 census?
I had a look on records and this is what I found Jan 20th 1832 Thomas son of Edward silk combie[I think that what it said] and Hannah Caton
1835 Ellen daughter Edward and Hannah
Marriage on the Boyds records and IGI 1826 Edward Helme to H annah Woodhouse.
Also a death may be of some use to you William Helme Caton Poorhouse age 62 Nov 2nd 1832
I have since looked on the Free bmd site 1848 death Hannah Helme Hudderfield 1849 Edward Helm marriage Halifax two Marys Marshall and Lumb
Do you think any of this could fit your family
Dotty
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Nightingale
Do you think that Edward could have married twice?Have you got him on the 1841 census?
I had a look on records and this is what I found Jan 20th 1832 Thomas son of Edward silk combie[I think that what it said] and Hannah Caton
1835 Ellen daughter Edward and Hannah
Marriage on the Boyds records and IGI 1826 Edward Helme to H annah Woodhouse.
Also a death may be of some use to you William Helme Caton Poorhouse age 62 Nov 2nd 1832
I have since looked on the Free bmd site 1848 death Hannah Helme Hudderfield 1849 Edward Helm marriage Halifax two Marys Marshall and Lumb
Do you think any of this could fit your family
Dotty
Hi dottie
Many thanks - it looks as though this does refer to my family. Edward Senr was a Silk Dresser, His son Thomas was born in 1832 with Edward jnr following about 1837. No mention of Ellen on 1851 census so I assume she must have died. Two other children follow on, John in 1839 and William in 1843 both born in Huddersfield. Could be that he married again (a bit soon after his first wife's death but I suppose needs must in those days). I will look into that together with the death in the Caton Poorhouse. thanks for your help
Anne
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Chipping have a local history Society, that meet
in St Marys Village Hall, they can be contacted through
a care of address at Chipping Post Office.
They meet on a Sunday (I think it is the first Sunday
of the Month- but not in the Winter Months)
Jinks
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I'm at LRO tomorrow so will have a look for you!
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Well I went to LRO last night and spent about an hour looking up your family. Here is what I found.....
- Baptisms in Chipping - looked at Nov 1799 to 1808. I couldn't find Edward Helme. However, there were some baptisms missing around 1806 and the 1807/8 records were very faded and hard to read.
I did find a baptism for a William Helme son of Edward and Ann Helme of Chipping born 30th April 1801, baptised 20th June 1801. Not sure if William fits into your tree?
- At St Michaels Church Cockerham - Marriage records
5th Feb 1826 Edward Helme Farmer of parish. married Hannah Woodhouse spinster by banns. He signed she made her mark. The curate was William Armistead, witnesses James Hayes and Thomas Wright. Thomas Wright appeared as a witness on several of the records so he could have been a parish clerk rather than a friend!
Baptism records from Caton Church -
8th Jan 1832 Thomas son of Edward & Hannah Helme of Caton. Father's occupation - silk comber. (No longer a farmer or a different couple????)
I couldn't find the other kids baptised at Caton.
At Caton there were several other Helme children baptised whose parents were John and Ann. John was a stone mason. Again not sure if John and Ann fit into your tree anywhere?
I think I might have created a few questions for you!!
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i have found a edward helme born abt1796 preston married ellen bullcock born abt 1801 preston married 31 Dec 1821 St. Johns, Preston, Lancs., Eng
edward helme born 19 Nov 1814 christened 20 Nov 1814 St. Johns, Preston parents Tempest HELME born Abt 1788 married Alice SCHOLER born Abt 1792 Preston, Marriage: 22 Apr 1810 St. Johns, Preston, Lancs., Eng.
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i have found a edward helme born abt1796 preston married ellen bullcock born abt 1801 preston married 31 Dec 1821 St. Johns, Preston, Lancs., Eng
edward helme born 19 Nov 1814 christened 20 Nov 1814 St. Johns, Preston parents Tempest HELME born Abt 1788 married Alice SCHOLER born Abt 1792 Preston, Marriage: 22 Apr 1810 St. Johns, Preston, Lancs., Eng.
Thanks - not sure where he fits in but I am sure it will be somewhere.
Anne
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Well I went to LRO last night and spent about an hour looking up your family. Here is what I found.....
- Baptisms in Chipping - looked at Nov 1799 to 1808. I couldn't find Edward Helme. However, there were some baptisms missing around 1806 and the 1807/8 records were very faded and hard to read.
I did find a baptism for a William Helme son of Edward and Ann Helme of Chipping born 30th April 1801, baptised 20th June 1801. Not sure if William fits into your tree?
- At St Michaels Church Cockerham - Marriage records
5th Feb 1826 Edward Helme Farmer of parish. married Hannah Woodhouse spinster by banns. He signed she made her mark. The curate was William Armistead, witnesses James Hayes and Thomas Wright. Thomas Wright appeared as a witness on several of the records so he could have been a parish clerk rather than a friend!
Baptism records from Caton Church -
8th Jan 1832 Thomas son of Edward & Hannah Helme of Caton. Father's occupation - silk comber. (No longer a farmer or a different couple????)
I couldn't find the other kids baptised at Caton.
At Caton there were several other Helme children baptised whose parents were John and Ann. John was a stone mason. Again not sure if John and Ann fit into your tree anywhere?
I think I might have created a few questions for you!!
Thanks very much for checking for me. Thomas, the son of Edward and Hannah is definitely my relative. However whether the Thomas and Hannah who married at Cockerham are the same Thomas and Hannah - who knows.
Back to the drawing board. Again many thanks.
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Chipping have a local history Society, that meet
in St Marys Village Hall, they can be contacted through
a care of address at Chipping Post Office.
They meet on a Sunday (I think it is the first Sunday
of the Month- but not in the Winter Months)
Jinks
Thanks - that info could come in very handy.