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If someone has the abouve could they please look up for me James Bell who died between 1841 and 1851 in Bo'ness any information would be helpful he was married to Elizabeth Snaddon in 1819
Thankyou
Kim
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Hello Kim
Have had a look for you and can't find them in any of the 4 Bo'ness Churchyards.
That's not to say they aren't buried there. They may not have a headstone.
Jean
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If I may make a similar request ::)
Is there any pre-1855 headstone info for people called Alexander black, Grizel Russell or Jane Russell in Whitburn?
In fact details of anybody with the surname Black would be helpful.
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Can't find any of the Black or Russell names you mention. However, there is a Grizzel Watt married to a Robert Russell.
There are 11 Black MIs and 10 Russell MIs.
If you can be more specific about first names, I'll have a look for you.
To type out 21 MIs would take me too long.
Regards
Jean
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Thanks jean jeanie for that. I have very little else on the Russell's to go on.
Many of those called Black probably have a link to mine as they were well established in Whitburn at that time.
I know there is a grave still there (although I've never been there to see it yet) of my ancestor William Black (b. 1700 d. 1742) and his wife Mary Tod (d. 1767).
If any one gravestone surnamed Black has a load of info on other family members that would perhaps be the best bet?
Cheers, DelBoy.
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Hi Dennydescendant
I have a copy of the burial records for the whitburn cemetery from 1862-1975.
Can look up some dates for you.
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Hi Delboy
Your ancestor's MI reads as follows:-
William Black died 2/5/1742, wife Mary Tod died 4/12/1767, son James died Dec 1800 aged 78, his wife Agnes Mochrie died Oct 1802 aged 73. James Black son William died 16/4/1829 aged 68, his wife?Mrs Black died 1/2/1836 aged 80. On the West side are the emblems of mortality.
In the next plot to this are:-
John Black died 24/11/1817 aged either 29 or 39, wife Isobel or Isabella Russell died 3/11/1854 aged 68. two sons 1809 aged 1, son David died 27/10/1832 aged 24.
In the next plot to this are:-
Robert Beith died 24/3/1833, son William died 13/12/1837, son John Died 31/12/1886 aged 71, his wife Janet Russell died 9/3/1894 aged 74, children James died 1845 aged 11 months, James died 1847 aged 20 months, Marion died 1859 aged 5. (It does say James twice)
The only other likely one might be:-
James Steele in Fala Mill died 26/3/1879 aged 84, wife Barbara Black died 2/2/1866 aged 67, son Alexander died 2/11/1857 aged 23.
Regards
Jean
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Thanks for the offer sicknote but it's really just the pre-1855 stuff that I'm needing.
Excellent stuff Jeanie, that fills in a few blanks. I didn't know there was more info on William Blacks grave.
Thanks again, DelBoy.
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Dear sicknote. can you please look up james and elizabeth lithgow in whitburn for me?
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Hi sue, There is only one James Lithgow Buried at Whitburn. He died on the 24 feb 1866 and was from Longridge,his Occupation was a Vendor of small Loaves. He is buried in Section A Lair 86. I do not have a Elizabeth Lithgow.
Hope this is the right one.
Sicknote
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Thank you very much for taking your time to help me. best wishes for you and searches of your family. sue
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Hi Jean Jeanie,
Do you have an MI for an Isabella Gardner m/s Laing, born Rafford, Elginshire 14/3/1795. She married John Matthew Gardner 1830 in Bo'ness.
In 1841 and 1851 they had a Pub on North Street, Bo'ness but both are gone by 1861.
Regards, Alastair
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Hi Alastair
Good news and bad news.
There is an MI in Bo'ness Church Wynd Lower which could be her. Unfortunately the stone is very badly flaked and the only words visible are as follows:-
wife, Isabella Laing. Eldest son John ?.5. 1836. 4 children.
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi Jean,
That must be the right headstone. They had a son John baptized 25/12/1831 who was not with them in 1841 so the 1836 date must be his death. Also, including this John they had four children. Pity about the rest of the inscription though.
Many thanks for your time and trouble doing the look-up for me. Much appreciated.
Regards, Alastair
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Hi; Could you please check for
John Henderson ( a seaman), husband of Margaret Smith and father of John, died between 1829/30 and 1841. I use these dates as son is 12 on 1841 census and wife a widow.
Thank you. Donna
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Hi Donna
Good news and bad news.
There is an MI for a John Henderson in Bo'ness Church Wynd Lower.
Unfortunately the only inscription is his name. No dates or others with him.
May or may not be yours :(
Best wishes
Jean
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Thanks anyway. It may be he died at sea or in Fife -his original home. Donna
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Hi ,
I am looking for James Donaldson and his wife Janet Marshall who died in Bathgate pre 1855 .
There may also be a son Thomas who died in infancy in the same lair.
Could you please check to see if they are listed in the MI's.
Many Thanks
Lizanne
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Hi Lizanne
No sign of them I'm afraid
Best wishes
Jean
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Thanks anyway Jean.
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Hi,
I'm looking for James Rae (born about 1779 - died 1832). He was Sheriff Substitute of Linlithgow so assume he'd be buried in Linlithgow. His wife Mary Ann is buried in Roseneath, Dumbarton, so she won't be with him.
Also, so far I haven't been able to track the following children down so they may have died before 1841. All surname Rae. All born between 1804 and 1823.
Mary Ann
Harriet
Alexa
Henrietta McKenzie
Alexander
Catherine
William
Thanks in advance for any help.
Debbie
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Hi Debbie
No sign of your Rae family :(
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Thanks for looking. It was worth a shot.
Debbie
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Hi,
Hope I can jump in here.
I'm looking for:
1. Jean [Jane/t] Beath [Beath] who probably died 1851-1861.
Believe she was born c.1784 in Whitburn, dau. of John Wilson & Jean Black.
Her husband Robert Beith was buried in Whitburn 1833, but an earlier post in this thread indicates she wasn't buried in the same grave.
As at 1851 Census, she was living in Greenburn.
2. Jean's parents John Wilson & Janet Black. They were in Whitburn in the late 1700s, but I have no birthdates for them (probably b. c. 1750s).
Fingers crossed.
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The only other Beith mentioned is
Janet Beith 18.6.1807 - 10.12.1890, servant of Waddells of Crofthead.
None of the Wilsons listed appear to be her parents.
Best wishes
Jean
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Jean,
Thank you for your help. It isn't the Jean BEITH I was looking for, but the date of birth makes me suspect she's one of the daughters I thought had died in childhood.
Many many thanks for your kindness in helping to fill a gap in the family tree.
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Hello,
Tried to post a Personal Message to Dennydescendant - I have nine generations of the Black family abt 190 pages of descendents. Unfortunately wouldn't take my message, if you are still interested in this can you post to me??
cheers ... Meg
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Hello Meg,
I have PM'd you.
ta'
Derek.
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Hello Derek,
Have sent you pdf on the Blacks..........
cheers ... Meg
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Hello,
Jumping in here too if I may.
I'd like a check for some ANDERSON please. Children of Alexander and Janet:
Elizabeth b. 29 Nov 1818 Abercorn d. 1841-1851
Adam b. 14 Dec 1828 Abercorn d. bef 1842
Thanks.
fred2
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Hi Fred
Looks like your lot here!
In Abercorn Churchyard.
Alex Anderson letter carrier Society Church Officer 13.6.1851, aged 69, wife Janet Kelti(e)24.5.1879 aged 87. (on back) 1710; I M. ? L; (emblems mortality)
Best wishes
Jean
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Hello Jean,
Thank you very much. I assume both those dates are the burial date because I had 22 May as Janet's death. Interesting that the interpretation of her death certificate has her age at death as 81. I would say from the MI and the census that the death certificate probably says 87 and not 81.
From Death Certificate:
Death: 1879; Limekilns, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland; widow of Alexander Anderson, letter carrier; age 81; parents John Keltie, seaman, deceased and Elizabeth Keltie M.S. Dundas, deceased; senile general debility & decay; witness Christina French, daughter.
1851
Civil parish Abercorn Address Society
Alexander Anderson head age 68 born Colessie Fifie occ church officer
Janet Anderson wife age 58 born Culross Perth
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
I know one researcher of this family who will be very happy we have a burial date for Alexander.
Thanks again.
fred2
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Hello Jean,
I have one more ANDERSON I'd like you to check please.
Janet DANSKIN b. 1776 Abercorn married Alexander ANDERSON in 1807 and their 4th child was born on 4 Aug 1815 Abercorn. Alexander remarried on 8 Nov 1818 so Janet died between those last two dates.
Thanks.
Fred
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Hi Fred
No sign of Janet in Abercorn.
Best wishes
Jean
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Hello Jean,
Thank you for looking.
Regards,
Fred
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I would appreciate it if SKS could check Whitburn cemetery(ies) for -
David Parker, died 1884
his wife Mary Forrest, died 1887
David's mother, Susannah Wardrope, who died 1851-1861
Thanks very much,
Katherine
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Hi Kathrine
Nothing in the pre 1855 inscriptions.
If you go to http://www.wlfhs.org.uk/ and click on Burial Registers Search you'll find David Parker and a possible for Mary Forrest.
You would need to purchase the CD for details.
Best wishes
Jean
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You are so right, there they are. I love those folks at the FHSs who work to put these indexes online for us all to use. Do you know if the CD has a transcription of the OPR burial/death record, or the MI, either, both?
Thanks again,
Katherine
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Hi Katherine
I don't know what info is on the CD.
Perhaps you could e mail them and ask the question.
Best wishes
Jean
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Hello,
I have the CD:-
David Parker, Farmer, Burnbrae, died 19/4/1884 aged 68, from Dropsy, burial 24/4/1884 at Whitburn, Section D - no lair number.
Jane Parker, Burnbrae, Whitburn, daughter of David Parker, Farmer, died 17/11/1871 from consumption, aged 23, burial 21/11/1871.
Mary Forrest Parker, died 8/1/1887, Burnbrae, aged 64, of heart disease, buried, 12/1/1887 at Whitburn.
Hugh Parker, (no age given), died 19/3/1866 at Burnbrae of Decline, Section D, Lair 179, son of David Parker, Farmer, buried 23/2/1866.
Mary Parker, died 11/2/1869 of consumption, at Burnbrae, aged 24, Section D, Lair 179, daughter of David Parker, Farmer, buried 16/2/1869.
Mary Parker, aged 0, died 17/3/1870, died at Burnbrae, daughter of Jane Parker, Section D, Lair 179, of Water in the Head, buried 21/3/1870 at Whitburn.
David Parker, aged 25, died of consumption 18/10/1883 at Burnbrae, burial 24/10/1883, Section D Lair 180 at Whitburn.
1881 Census has:
David Parker, Head, aged 65, born Stewarton, Ayrshire Scotland, farmer of 100 acres arable - Farmer Burnbrae Farm, Whitburn
Mary F Parker, Farmers Wife, aged 59, born Drunley, Ayr, Scotland
Helen Parker, daugher, unmarried, aged 25, born Whitburn
David Parker, aged 23, unmarried, aged 23, born Whitburn
John Parker, aged 21, unmarried, born Whitburn
Elizabeth Parker, aged 17, unmarried, born Whitburn
Margaret Parket, aged 14, unmarried, born Whitburn.
1851 Census has:
David Parker, aged 35, head, farmer of 94 acres, Burnbrae Farm, Whitburn employing 1 labourer, born Stewarton, Ayrshire
Mary Parker, wife, aged 29, born Irvine, Ayrshire,
Mary Parker, daughter, aged 6, born Whitburn
Hugh Parker, son, aged 5, born Whitburn
Susanna Parker, daughter, aged 2, born Whitburn
Jean (Jane) Parker, daughter, aged 2, born Whitburn
Agnes Parker, aged 0, daughter, born Whitburn
Susanna Parker, Mother, aged 80, born Fenwick, Ayrshire
William Parker, aged 24, nephew, Farm Labourer, born Stewarton, Ayrshire
Janet Forrest, aged 18, House Servant, born Bathgate, (relation of Mary's?)
Isabel Fleming, aged 13, House Servant, born Bathgate
R Aikman, aged 17, Farm Labourer, born Edinburgh
I really hope that this helps.... Cheers ... Meg
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Thank you Meg! This is an enormous help -
Katherine
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hey,
My ancestors are also John Matthew Gardner (born 1796 England) and Isabella Laing Gardner (born 14 March 1795) through their son, Colin, who immigrated to Australia. I know from my research that John (merchant and innkeeper) died on 13th January 1847 in Borrowstowness, West Lothian, Scotland. His wife Isabella Gardner (nee Laing) took over the running of his affairs and she died on 30th May 1851 also in Borrowstowness. I have both of their wills and when Isabella died her accumulated possessions and land came in at over 800pounds, quite a sum for that time. They were survived by sons William and Colin (John died when he was four) and a daughter, Isabella. If you need any more information about the Gardner family I would be happy to assist as best I can. I can also send you the wills via email as well. Hope this has helped.
Anna
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Hi:
Searching for tombstones/burials for Alexander DRUMMOND and his wife Christian STEWART died late 1700's up to c. 1810 in either Abercorn or Linlithgow graveyards. Dont have exact dates, thats what I'm looking for.
Thanks.
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Hello,
No Alexander Drummond in Abercorn in West Lothian Monumental Inscriptions for the pre 1855 book
West Lothian Burials CD - Abercorn not covered as yet, but none of your names in Linlithgow.
Sorry, I couldn't find them..... cheers .. Meg
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Thanks, Meg.
I have a hunch that this couple moved to Glasgow. But then they could still be buried in WL. and the monument long gone before a transcription. Maybe never know. ::)
lanarman
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Anna - Ref Gardner's
Hello Anna,
Bo'ness Lower Church Wynd Cemetery, in the Pre 1855 Monumental Inscriptions, Volume 1 for West Lothian, it states the following:
No 36 (I have a plan which I can scan if you like)
fallen stone .....................................age .., wife Isabella Laing, son John died May 1836 aged 4 years, children .................. (the missing husband may be John Matthew Gardiner married Bo'ness Oct 1830.)
Don't know if this will help .... Meg
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Hi
I'm looking for monument inscriptions for the Reid, Lees, Morrison and Shaw families in Bathgate Cemetery-I live in NZ so can't get to see myself-anyone have access to this info or know where I can get it from?
From 1850-1998
Elizabeth Shaw/Lees died 1900/01
Robert John Lees 1953
James Reids
Alexander Reids
Any other Lees
Archibald.
Anyone know how to obtain news reports related to inquests on deaths?
Bathgate 1901ish-Elizabeth Shaw/Morrison died in suspicious circumstances involving burns.
Also Prison records-anyone know how to find out out people in Edinburgh jail in 1891?
Stuck at the moment.
Thanks
Thanks
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Hello,
I did a search on our local Bathgate Newspaper archive and couldn't find anything on Elizabeth Shaw/Lees. Tried the Scotsman archive with the same result. If you get her Death Certificate from Scotlands People, there should be an RCE attached, which would give inquest results and references.
I've checked the pre 1855 Monumental Inscriptions for Bathgate and there are no Lees family listed, there are Reids too numerous to annotate, but feel that they are earlier than your family. The two Shaw entries don't seem to be connected to your names. These Inscriptions only cover early burials, West Lothian Family History Society is at present transcribing the burial registers for all of the Bathgate cemeteries, and I think these would contain details of your family, however as this is all voluntary, it could be a year or so before this is available.
In the Fauldhouse, Whitburn internment Registers there are 49 entries for Lees, too many to list, so would need to tie it down a bit.
The 1891 census would give you the people in prison on census night.
West Lothian Council Cemeteries Department are very helpful, I will phone them and ask for the two names that you have given dates for - Elizabeth Shaw/Lees and Robert John Lees - these records are not computerised, so they need to search through the register books not an easy task without a rough date, eg month and year.
Sorry this isn't very helpful - but will see what I can do.
cheers Meg
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Hi
Thanks for your kind help.
29th Jan 1901 is the death I have for Elizabeth Shaw/Lees.
What I have is that she died from burns to the body. Gran knows nothing about it.
Robert Lees was born 1855 in Bo'ness-a tailor and died 1937. He was not with the family in 1901 census but out of prison by then but was in an edinburgh prison-found him in 1891.
Please don't go to any trouble on my behalf.
Very kind of you.
I was trying to pin down where they might be buried.
Late here so off to my bed.
Thanks for your efforts.
Will try to join West Lothian in the next month to help research.
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we are looking for further information on a William Black who married a Janet Cummingham. and lived in Whitburn. We have some parish records of the baptisims of their children christian 1806, Grizzel 1809, Janet 1811, Alexander 1813, William 1815, John 9/11/1817 our direct ancestory and Mary 1820 . Has anybody any further information on this family pre and post 1800.
Thanks
Whitefox
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Hi Whitefox
There is an Mi for this family in Whitburn.
Not a lot of info though.
MI 239.
William Black in Bents, wife Janet Cunningham, son Alexander died 27.5.1833 aged 20
Best wishes
Jean
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Hello Whitefox,
See I've been pipped at the post with the Whitburn South Kirk MI - William is descended from the Black's of Breich Water, William Black & Mary Tod, they too are interred in South Kirk at Whitburn, their youngest son Alexander 17/1/1742 married Grizzel Russell 5/11/1775 at Whitburn, these are William's parents, he was born 27/2/1780 in Blackfaulds Farm, Whitburn, and married Janet Cunningham 25/4/1804 in Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire. Copied below William/Janet and their children. Their son John married twice and I have his details - hope this helps..... cheers ... Meg
1. WILLIAM4 BLACK (ALEXANDER3, WILLIAM2, JAMES1) (Source: Parish Record.) was born 27 Feb 1780 in Blackfaulds, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: Parish Record.), and died in West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland. He married JANET CUNNINGHAM (Source: IGI Index.) 25 Apr 1804 in Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, Scotland (Source: IGI Index.). She was born Abt. 1780 in Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, Scotland (Source: 1851 Census.), and died 17 Oct 1858 in West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland (Source: GROS - Registry Extract.).
Notes for WILLIAM BLACK:
1851 Census
with the family on censu night
Grandson Hugh Foord, aged 20, Farm Servant
Grandaughter Jessie Rankine aged 18, Servant
Grandson Peter Walker aged 13, born Whitburn
More About WILLIAM BLACK:
Burial: Churchyard at South Kirk, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: Memorial Inscriptions.)
Census 1: 1851, Meikle Harwood, West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland (Source: 1851 Census.)
Census 2: 1841, Bents Farm, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: 1841 Census.)
Occupation 1: 1851, Farmer of 115 acres, aged 71 (Source: 1851 Census.)
Occupation 2: 1841, Farmer aged 60 (Source: 1841 Census.)
More About JANET CUNNINGHAM:
Burial: Churchyard at South Kirk, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: Memorial Inscriptions.)
Census 1: 1851, Meikle Harwood, West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland aged 71 (Source: 1851 Census.)
Census 2: 1841, Bents Farm, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland aged 60 (Source: 1841 Census.)
More About WILLIAM BLACK and JANET CUNNINGHAM:
Marriage: 25 Apr 1804, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, Scotland (Source: IGI Index.)
Children of WILLIAM BLACK and JANET CUNNINGHAM are:
2. i. CHRISTIAN5 BLACK, b. 28 Dec 1806, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland; d. 18 Nov 1881, Breich Toll, West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland.
3. ii. GRIZZEL BLACK, b. 08 Jan 1809, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland; d. 18 Mar 1886, Breich Toll,West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland.
4. iii. JANET BLACK, b. 03 Jul 1811, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland; d. 12 Mar 1873, Breich Toll, West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland.
iv. ALEXANDER BLACK (Source: Parish Record.), b. 16 Mar 1813, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: Parish Record.); d. 27 May 1833, Bents Farm, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland.
More About ALEXANDER BLACK:
Burial: 1833, Churchyard at South Kirk, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: Memorial Inscriptions.)
Death [Time]: 1833, aged 20 (Source: Memorial Inscriptions.)
5. v. WILLIAM BLACK, b. 05 Mar 1815, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland; d. Hartwood, West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland.
6. vi. JOHN BLACK, b. 09 Nov 1817, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland.
7. vii. MARY BLACK, b. 27 Mar 1820, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland.
8. viii. MARGARET BLACK, b. 16 Jan 1824, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland.
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Thanks so much Meg, a great help, we have found out a lot about John and 2 weeks ago went around Edinburgh seeing the areas he lived in. . His son Richard went to Ireland with the GPO and married an Amy Henry. I plan to go to the Post Office Archieves in London to get more information on family members as so many of them worked for the GPO
Thanks again
Whitefox
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Hi Whitefox
Jean, thank you so much,
Whitefox.
There is an Mi for this family in Whitburn.
Not a lot of info though.
MI 239.
William Black in Bents, wife Janet Cunningham, son Alexander died 27.5.1833 aged 20
Best wishes
Jean
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Dannydescendant,
We are also descendants of this line,
Whitefox
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I also have been lookig for West Lothian inscriptions pre 1855. Specifically, I am looking for the family of William Gray . William Gray died between 1851 and 1861. They lived in Linlithgow from birth, marriage, and census records. His wife was Mary Carlaw who died in 1863. Any info would be helpful.
thanks, Joanne
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Hi Joanne
No William Gray or Mary Carlaw.
However, there are two MI's in Linlithgow for the surname Carlaw, which may or may not be yours.
Erected by William Dumbreck in 1815. (J) D. William Dumbreck Junior. wife Ann Carlaw 8.1.1815 aged 36. Children; Alexander Dumbreck 8.11.1887 aged 49. Wife Helen Mackie.
Robert Carlow, gas manager, wife Janet Middlemas 26.3.1846 aged 37. Son Robert 7.9.1845 aged 3 months.
Hope this is of some help.
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Thanks for the information. I will check into these names and see if they are related (they probably are). Also, do you know if there is a burial listing for those who died after 1855?
Thanks again.
Joanne
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Hello,
I have the West Lothian Burial CD which contains interments for Linlithgow to 1974 - There are 61 entries for the name Gray - none for Carlaw. In the 1851 Census there is a William Gray aged 73 born Livingston, living at Wester Tartraven, Linlithgow with wife Mary born Linlithgow aged 67 - is this the family you are looking for? Strangely enough in the 1841 census William is aged 50, Mary is 45 and Margaret is aged 15, the address is still Wester Tartraven. Quite a jump in ages! I can't find either William or Mary in the Burial Registers for Linlithgow or Livingston. There is a marriage between William Gray/Mary Carlaw of 2nd and 21st August 1818 - the first date was probably the calling of the Banns, the 2nd date the marriage. I can't find any children born to this couple - other than the Margaret aged 15 in the 1841 census.
Sorry that I didn't find anything for you. They may have been interred somewhere else local. I did a search for William Gray deaths in West Lothian between 1851 and 1861, there were three - one in Abercorn in 1852, one in Bo'ness in 1857 and one in West Calder in 1858. The Bo'ness William had the middle name of Tassie and the West Calder one had the middle name of Simpson. I don't know if this will hep or not. Good luck ...... Meg
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Hello Joanne,
I've found a link to Wester Tartraven http://guide.visitscotland.com/vs/guide/5,en,SCH1/objectId,ACC5779Svs,curr,GBP,season,at1,selectedEntry,pict/pict.html and this shows the buildings there which were part of the Silvermines in the Bathgate Hills, there are a couple of photos of the buildings, which have been converted and the postal address is now under Torphichen, not Linlithgow, so your William and Mary could have been interred in either Torphichen or Bathgate. Cut and paste the link into your browser and hope it works. No sign of your William in Torphichen Churchyard in the pres 1855 burial book or in the Bathgate Cemeteries pre 1855 Book.
cheers ... Meg
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Hello Meg,
thanks for the info. I have most of what you found. I am sure the 1841 and 1851 census are the same family, just the 1841 ages for William and for Mary ar off for some reason. The age for Margaret is okay - I have her marriage, death, etc. they also had a son John born 1822 (he is my direct link), and I have all his information. I am just having a difficult time going back further. I know his parents are this William and Mary (Carlaw) Gray. I will try the link you listed and see if I can find more.
thanks so much for the into.
Joanne
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Hello Joanne,
I think that William Gray's parents were John Gray and Margaret Walker he was christened 25/5/1780 in Livingston. I can't find a birth for Mary Carlaw though.
cheers .... Meg
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Hi Meg.
I have Mary Carlaw being bor in 1790 to John Carlaw and Margaret Walker. I have John Carlaw and Margaret Walker married 12/1/1783. They had children Margaret Carlawborn 1784, GeorgeCarlaw born 1786, James Carlaw born 1787, Mary Carlaw born 1790, and Euphan Carlaw born 1793. It seems strange that William Grays parents would be the same: John Gray and Margaret Walker? I will look for the christening that you have and see - strangers things have happened!. I have William Gray's birth as being in Livingston about 1778, so this seems to match.
Thanks Meg,
Joanne
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Hi Jean Jeanie,
Do you have an MI for an Isabella Gardner m/s Laing, born Rafford, Elginshire 14/3/1795. She married John Matthew Gardner 1830 in Bo'ness.
In 1841 and 1851 they had a Pub on North Street, Bo'ness but both are gone by 1861.
Regards, Alastair
I have extensive information about Isabella and John Matthew if you would like
Anna Edwards, Australia
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HI There
Would you be able to look up Alexander Milne who died around 1800, he was a solicitor/account at the Carron Iron Works. He was married to Sarah Swan but information on them is proving hard to find. I cannottrace his marriage or death so I was hoping he may be buried in and around the Carriden, Bo'ness area.
Thanks for any help.
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Hello,
I can only find one Milne burial in Bo'ness, none in Carriden:-
mural winged soul, skull, barley sugar pilasters, Andrew Milne late merchant Bo'ness, 27th Oct 1817 aged 70, wife Mary Learnmonths died 27th Nov 1832 aged 72, also here interred son James 4/1/1825 aged 24 and other four of their children died in infancy.
The IGI has a William Milne son of Alexander and Susan Swan death date either 27th Feb 1825 or 27th Jan 1826. neither of these options came from parish records.
I can't find any deaths in either Stirlingshire or West Lothian for either Alexander of Sarah.
sorry I can't find anything on them. Regards ... Meg
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Thanks you very much for investigating this for me, back to the drawing board.
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Hello again,
I had a thought after I'd posted a reply to you - and checked the wills for an Alexander Milne - thought that as a Solicitor he'd have a will, but can't find one that matches him.
Sorry again, Meg
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I am looking for William Calder who was my GGGG Grandfather. I know he was born around 1792 in West Calder. He married a Mary Ingles and had 6 children William, Alexander, John, Jean, Mary (my ggg grandmother) and Robert. He is living in Torphichen for the 1841 and 1851 census and Mary is a widow by 1861. Robert was married in 1857 and his father is not listed as deceased. A William Calder died in Torphichen in 1858 but it was not the right one...My William Calder was a Blacksmith and was married.
I have searched all the records and websites but cannot find any trace of his death which I presume must have happened between 1857 and 1861 but may also have been before 1857 if the marriage certificate information was not correct. I would be grateful if anybody has any information from the Monumental Inscriptions.
Thanks very much
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Hello Aylene,
Two entries in Torphichen for William Calder's W & A Calder in Cathlaw daughter B H Calder died 19/7/1854 - not yours I think. The other is 1776 W.C M.R - William Calder of Woodsyde died 19/8/1769 aged 76, wife Mary Reid died 22/8/1863 aged 45 children Hendry and Margaret - West Face - William Calder died 3/4/1858 (the Mason son of Alex Calder & Mary Bell) aged 63, Mason.
Mary Inglis died in 1880 in Torphichen - and I can't find a burial for her in the Burial Records or MI's. Though I see in the 1851 census that they have a Grandaughter Mary Scott Aitken with them.
This solves a puzzle of mine, my William Calder born abt 1792 either Mid or West Calder married to Margaret Lind, children all born in West Calder and he's buried in the Churchyard in West Calder - I've looked for years for his parents - and could only find the one birth - however I feel now it's proved that William 9th Sept 1792 isn't mine - he's yours, proved I feel my the Grandaughter named Mary Scott Aitken - who was the 1792 William's mother
Now I'll away and try and sort out my two Calder lines - I have John Calder's line - who would now of course be William's brother - and I have his DC and a lot of information on his descendants this site seems to be playing up and not allowing me to key in more information, let me know what you think, cheers ... Meg
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Thanks for all that. I was in touch today with somebody through Genes Reunited who had the same William Calder married to Margaret Lind. I am very confused about all of this now.
The first entry from Cathlaw, does that mean the daughter died?
I have Mary Inglis's death too but I cannot find William's death anywhere.
You have resolved a problem for me -Mary Scott Aitken was Peter Aitken and Mary Calder's daughter. She is transcribed as Mary Scott Arthur on Ancestry and since Arthur is a common name in Torphichen I have been searching for an Arthur. Now I see that she was the my GG grandmother's Marion Aitken's older sister. It does make sense that she would be called after her grandmother so now i have hope that the William Calder 1792 is mine. What info do you have on John Calder? I have been trying to find William's brothers and sisters. I have been looking also for marriages of the Calder Ingles marriage brothers and sisters. I believe that Alexander Calder did not marry. My GG grandmother Marion Aitken was the housekeeper for her Uncle Alexander Calder in the 1891 census and my grandmother (her illegitimate daughter) was living with him too. I just started researching this side of the family last week but am totally fascinated by it. The Aitkens of Torphichen have been well researched but this side has not been looked ta so far. Thanks very much for your help. Aylene
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Hello Aylene,
William Calder born abt 1792 was married to Margaret Lind, and he's my Calder line - 1841 and 1851 census show him born in Mid-Calder, but the parish lines crossed over a lot in those days, so the William Calder/Mary Scott children matched family names and were a likely match for his parents. I've now discounted that - and the folk you were in contact with through Genes have probably got information from me - though I always stated in my notes that I was unsure of his parentage and it had to be proved/disproved, which I believe has now happened. So I'm left looking for the parents of the William Calder/Margaret Lind line - and have come up a blank!!
I've about 26 pages of information on William Calder/Mary Scott line. I still think that the famlies are connected as I've now three lines of Calder information and the names etc are all the same throughout the generations. If you send me a private message with your email address, I'll send you what I have.
cheers ... Meg
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Hi,
I wonder if anyone can help? I'm trying to find death/burial record for John Mills born c1781 possibly Glasgow. He was I believe Quarter Master at Blackness Castle around 1808 until some time after 1821. He married Margaret Kidd who is buried with their son Peter, daughter-in-law Janet (Jessie) Morton and granddaughter Jessie in Bo'Ness. I don't know when John died.
Thank you
Aileen
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Hello,
I've checked the death/burial records and can't find a death record for John Mills, so entry for him in the Memorial Inscriptions, the entry for Jessie reads:-
Erected by Jessie Mills in memory of her grandmother Margaret Kidd who died 2nd Sept 1872, and mohter Jessie Morton who died 12th September 1837, father Peter Mills died 29th Dec 18?4, also two daughters who died in infancy.
1841 Census has:
MORTON Janet F 30 Independent West Lothian
MILLES Peter M 35 Merchant Outside Census County (1841)
1851 Census has Peter Mills, aged 49, head, Merchant, 21 Mills Cottage, Bo'ness born Aberdeen.
daughter Jessie aged 6 at the same address, born Bo'ness with servant Janet Robertson aged 16, born Bo'ness.
That's all I've managed to find. Hope it's of some help.
cheers ... Meg
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Thank you Meg,
I knew some of the information ..census etc...... but I did not know for sure about the 2 daughters who died in infancy.....I knew of them but not that they were girls.
Regards
Aileen
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You're welcome Aileen, sorry I couldn't find John
cheers ... Meg
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I've just had a look here: http://www.memento-mori.co.uk/92.pdf (Page 9) and the Mills' stone is listed which means it must still there and still legible (Bo'ness 'Lower' Burial Ground)
The index states two MALE children? ???
Anne
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Hello Anne,
That seems a better transcription, I took my information from West Lothian Pre 1855 Monumental Inscriptions, which doesn't show Peter's full DOD and the transcription is as noted in that volume of West Lothian MI's.
cheers ... Meg
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Thank you for that Anne, I will look for male children for Peter and Jessie although so far only Jessie junior is coming up .....I went to Bo'Ness to look for the stone but couldn't find it.....now I know I was looking in the wrong burial ground.....lol
Regards
Aileen
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Glad to have been able to help!
I find the Mitchell's books great for research, but unfortunately, there's a good number of errors in them. Mind you, they didn't have the luxury of digital cameras back in the 60's/70's, so presumably they must have noted all the MI's down 'on the spot'.
Good luck in finding the stone!
Anne
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I have just spent an hour or three in the South Kirk graveyard in Whitburn looking for Wad(d)el(l)s and Stor(r)i/e(y)s. I found the stone I was most interested in and the *********** thing is almost illegible. So if it was legible when the MI book was compiled, I would dearly love to know what it says, please. It's the table stone with details of the Waddel family of Hollhouseburn, including Eliza Beugo, Agnes Wilson and Kath Steel. Thank you in anticipation.
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Hi
Here goes:-
Erected 1723. James Waddel of Hollhouseburn died 3.1728 aged 69, wife Eliza Beugo died 28.2.1724, son Alex died 1.1770 aged 74(wife Agnes Wilson died 8.1762 aged 68, daughter Agnes died 1730, a child, other daughter Agnes died 7.1748 aged 15) James Waddel of Crofthead died 15.10.1789 aged 69, wife Cath Steel died 7.1788 aged 66, son Alex died 11 1765 (15) son John of Braehead died 9.7.1830 aged 71. John Waddel, daughter Agnes died 29.11.1834 aged 31. Wife Agnes Fleming died 17.2.1837 aged 62, son John of Braehead died 13.11.1840 aged 34 or 31.
Best wishes
Jean
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Brilliant, thank you, Jean