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I am trying to locate samuel bennett born 1847 10 canterbury street Devenport father Joseph mother Caroline please can anybody trace this family in 1851 /1861/1871
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1861
12 Canterbury St Stoke Dameral
Joseph Bennett 39 St Dominick Cornwall Labr
Caroline 40 Devonport
Mary 15 *
Samuel 13 *
Lavina 7 *
Rosina 1 *
RG9/1449 f140 p53
Cazay
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Obviously the same family ... strange or what?
1851 Stoke Damerel (Clowance) Devon
HO107/1881 folio 282 page 17
8 Canterbury Street
Joseph Allan, head, 27, labourer, St Dominick Cornwall
Caroline do., wife, 26, Devonport
Mary J. do., daur, 5, scholar, Devonport
Samuel do., son, 3, Devonport
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thank u so much to the kind people who have helped ,on the 1851 name and ages different would they be on the 1871 census.
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I am trying to locate samuel bennett born 1847 10 canterbury street Devenport father Joseph mother Caroline please can anybody trace this family in 1851 /1861/1871
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1871 Stoke Damerel (Clowance) Devon
RG10/2131 folio 36 pp 63-64
11 Canterbury Street
Joseph Bennett, head, 48, labourer H M dock yard, St Dominick Cornwall
Caroline, wife, 49, Devonport Devon
Samuel, son, 23, seaman R N, Devonport Devon
Lavinia, daur, 16, needle woman, Devonport Devon
William, son, 8, scholar, Devonport Devon
Donald Moore, nurse child, 4, scholar, Devonport Devon
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Help, the 1871 census shows samuel living 11 canterbury st however,my samuel bennett was in 1871 married with 2 kids living in east london have census copy ,so this bennett family cannot be mine. I do know my samuel was born 13/09/1847
mother caroline bennett formerly stafford, father labourer joseph bennett. full name samuel joseph born 10 canterbury street, devonport district clowance. parents married . e stonehouse sept quarter 1845.
in 1871 my samuel was a plasterer /plumber in 1881 still plumber still living east london.
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Hi Brendan
Yes - it does seem you have a problem. More specifically, you appear to have the wrong birth certificate. Your Samuel Bennett obviously wasn't the son of Joseph and Caroline (nee Stafford) Bennett. In fact, I can see their son Samuel in the 1881 Census on board HMS Fenedol (where he has the middle initial 'J').
Assuming that you got the date of birth from the certificate alone, your Samuel wasn't born on 13 Sept 1847.
Indeed, according to the Censuses of 1871 & 1881, your Samuel was born around four or five years earlier! I can see a possible match for him in the 1851 and 1861 Censuses - this one was living in Bideford with his widowed mother, Mary Ann Bennett. The question is: was her husband called Joseph? (I assume that you have Samuel's marriage certificate which names Joseph.)
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Hi Brendan,
I agree with Dave. This Samuel is not your man. What about this one. Providing you have the marriage cert as Dave has mentioned and it does say father Joseph perhaps Nathaniel J was Nathaniel Joseph
HO107/1882
84 Fore Street
Stoke Damerel
BENNETT Nathaniel J Head 29 b Devonport Boot Maker
BENNETT Mary Wife 27 b Fakenham Norfolk
BENNETT William H Son 6 b Poplar London
BENNETT Samuel N Son 4 b Devonport
BENNETT Sarah Dau 10 Months b Devonport
WRIGHT John Visitor 18 b Devonport
Cheers Kris :D
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Looking Good they are in London in 1861
RG9/305 Folio 118 Page 16
1 New Street
Poplar
BENNETT Nathaniel J Head 39 Mar b Devonport Shoemaker
BENNETT Mary Wife 37 Mar b Fakenham Norfolk
BENNETT William H Son 16 b Poplar Labourer
BENNETT Samuel N Son 15 b Devonport Labourer
BENNETT Amelia Dau 12 b Devonport
BENNETT Sarah Dau 10 b Devonport
BENNETT John J Son 6 b Poplar
BENNETT Young B Son 3 b Poplar
BENNETT George Son 2 Months b Poplar
Cheers Kris :D
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Firstly thank you all so much, yes after all these years 7 i have been tryingto find out the wrong info because i have the wrong birth cert.. I do not have marriage cert but i do know my samuel married hannah dowling in east london in 1866
his initials samuel j. if this anything to go by he named his children Hannah, caroline,selina,alice,margaret,alfred,emma,john. in 1891 still plumber painter aged 47
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Here's Amelia in 1851
HO107/1878 Folio 296 Page 31
12 Bath Street
Plymouth St Andrew
GUBBINS Adonyah Head 29 Mar b Stoke Chair Maker
GUBBINS Sarah Jane Wife 25 b Stoke Milliner
BENNETT Amelia Niece 2 b Stoke
Cheers Kris :D
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Brendan You need that cert to get his fathers name.....There are no other Samuel J's showing up.....We need fathers name....Kris ;)
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Interesting.
Although the son of Nathaniel and Mary had the middle initial 'N' (according to the 2 Censuses) there's this record on the IGI:
Samuel Josiah BENNETT
Birth 29 June 1842 Plymouth, Devon
Father: Nathaniel John BENNETT
Mother: Mary Ann WRIGHT
Bear in mind this is an unsourced 'member submission', so a degree of caution is advisable.
However, there's also this birth registration:
Samuel Josiah BENNETT
June quarter 1842
Stoke Damerel vol 9 page 461
There's an obvious problem here. Nathaniel and Mary's son was aged 4 in 1851 (15 in 1861) and therefore born about 1846 or 1847. Additionally they don't seem to have married until the September quarter of 1842 (per the GRO Index) or 14 August 1842 (per the IGI member submission). I therefore suspect that the IGI birth record may have the wrong parents.
However, we are looking for a Samuel J Bennett who was born in the early part of the 1840s, so the birth registration should at least be noted.
Ultimately, I would follow Kris's advice and obtain the marriage certificate. It may reveal Samuel's middle name and will give his father's name.
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Yes I saw that birth also Dave. I wonder if he died. Did you notice Samuel Nathaniel Sep 1/4 1846 Stoke Damerel vol 9 page 489. (Clearly the one from the census- I did like him being in London too) Same quarter we have Samuel John born Tiverton...Kris ;)
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I have today ordered the marriage certificate
Lynn
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Thants great news Lynn. Get back to us when it arrives.....Kris ;D
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marriage cert arrived
Samuel Josiah benett father nathaniel. father dead on cert in 1866 I would be gratefull for any help with censuses
lynn
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Excellent news Lynn!
I think we can now start to pull the threads together.
We previously established that Samuel was born in the early part of the 1840s. Indeed, we found the birth records of a Samuel Josiah Bennett (parents Nathaniel John Bennett and Mary Ann Wright) dating from 1842. I think this is very likely to be your man, so you might think about getting the birth certificate from the reference provided earlier.
We also found a Samuel Bennett (father Nathaniel and Mary Bennett) in the 1851 & 1861 Censuses. However, this one had the middle initial ‘N’ and was a little too young.
So let's work with this one instead ...
1851 Stoke Damerel (Morice) Devon
HO107/1882 folio 188 pp38-39
14 Gronby Street
Nathaniel Bennett, head, 62, shipwright for K [something], Cornwall
Mary Ann, wife, 51, Devonport Devon
Jane, daur, un, 24, Devonport Devon
Nathaniel, son, 19, apprentice boot closer, Devonport Devon
Sarah, daur, 14, plain work charwoman, Devonport Devon
Ellen, daur, 13, scholar, Devonport Devon
Selina, daur, 11, scholar, Devonport Devon
Samuel Bennett, son, 9, Devonport Devon
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This appears to be Samuel’s mother in 1861. Note that she is now a widow.
1861 Stoke Damerel (Clowance) Devon
RG9/1449 folio 17 page 29
“Luke[?] H Building”
Mary Ann Bennett, head, widow, 61, Devonport Devon
Thomas N., son, 30, boot and shoe closer, Devonport Devon
I wouldn’t mind betting that ‘Thomas N’ is actually ‘Nathaniel’ junior from the previous census.
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Sorry - I can't find Samuel in 1861! (And you already have him in 1871 & 1881)
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Firstly thank you so much for all your help.
My samuel named his daughter selina.....
looking through bmd i found a marriage for mary wright and nathaniel bennett in 1842 ?????
lynn
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looking through bmd i found a marriage for mary wright and nathaniel bennett in 1842 ?????
It may be a coincidence, or you may have one of those families where the parents don’t get married until later on. Or it may be that the IGI entry is wrong and that the person who made the submission jumped to the wrong conclusion when they saw that marriage reference.
Best bet would be to get a copy of Samuel’s birth certificate to find out his mother's maiden name.
This appears to be the family in 1841.
1841 Stoke Damerel (Morice) Devon
HO107/273/2 folios 23-24 pages 41-42
Gronby Street
Nathl Bennett, 50, shipwright
Mary, 40
Eliza, 20
Jane, 15
Emma, 15
Mary, 12
Nathaniel, 10
Sarah, 6
All recorded as born in Devon (even though Nathaniel snr was born in Cornwall according to the 1851 Census).
PS: I wonder where Ellen (3) and Selina (1) were?
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the whitnesses at samuels wedding were john fawcett and george gay i searche weddings in freebmd and interestingly found georg gay marrying a selina bennett in whitechapel 1868. samuel married 1866 algate
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Looks like your suspicions may be correct ..
1881 Old Mile End Town, London
RG11/486 folio 68 page 59
15 St Thomas Road
George A. Gay, head, 39, painter, Whitechapel Middx
Selena, wife, 38, Devonport Devon
Selena, daur, 11, scholar, Whitechapel Middx
Alice, daur, 10, scholar, Whitechapel Middx
George, son, 8, scholar, M E O T
Annie E., daur, 6, scholar, M E O T
Emma J., daur, 3, M E O T
Daniel Ragan, lodger,widr, 27, tarpoline maker, Limehouse Middx
It's possible that Selina's age was actually 8 in 1851 (not 11) which would explain her absence from the 1841 Census.
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Thank you
yes i found a selina born 1841 but i wonder where ellen was is 1841 she would have been 3
lynn
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Fabulous work going on here I see. ;) Lynn I have a sneaky feeling that that marriage in 1842 is the other Nathaniel and Mary Ann I found earlier who also happened to have a son Samuel. Same names in the same area, I wouldn't be surprised if they will all end up connected back another generation or so......Kris :D
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dragging up an old thread.
I am wondering if my Samuel Bennett (4xG Grandfather) born c1797 might be a brother of your Nathaniel.
Samuel I believe was also born in Cornwall I believe, but ended up in Devonport. He married a Charity Johns and I think died 1840 in Devonport.
I am also noticing a repeating of using the name Samuel, so wonder if perhaps the name is carried down.
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Hannah Dowling , Age 20, daughter of John Dowling
Spouse Name: Samuel Joseph Bennett, Full Age , Plumber, son of Nathaniel Bennett
Married 20 May 1866, St Botolph Aldgate, London
Edited to add, Sorry I just realised this is an old thread and you already have this information.