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Hi
Miranda Saxty was born about 1853 in Gloucester and the 1881 census records her living at Colford Cottage, Lyonshall, Hereford. RG11/2611 Folio 68 Page 3 refers.
Miranda is unmarried but living or visiting is her father Charles Henry Saxty born about 1828 in Batheaston Somerset. Free BMD records the death of a Charles Henry Saxty age 70, recorded Jun Q 1898 Kington Volume 6a Page 311. (CH Saxty would have been 70 in 1898)
It would appear Charles remained in the county with his daughter, possibly for the 1891 census. Can anyone please find Miranda in 1891 and also 1901 if possible, plus her father, Charles Henry Saxty in 1891
Gerry
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Hi Gerry
1891
There is this family
Charles Hey Sexty head M 63 railway station inspector Somerset Batheaston?
Maranda Wheeler Sexty dau u/m 35 house keeper Gloucestershire Gloucester
living at Oaklands?, Lyonshall, Stansbatch, Kington,Herefordshire
Rg12/ 2077
folio 117
page 2
ricky
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Hi Gerry
No sign of them in 1901. I think the death for Charles like you have found sounds correct.
ricky
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Hi Ricky
The spelling is a bit ::) but I believe this is the pair I want. In earlier census returns Charles has been involved with the GWR so his latest job as a station inspector adds weight to what you have found.
I wonder if you can find Miranda in 1901. She was still a spinster in 1891 and it would appear her father died in 1898.
Much appreciate your help
Gerry
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In 1881 Charles is shown as a staion master.
This would be at Lyonshall on the Leominster to Kington Railway. which opened in 1857 and finally closed in 1964
Thre is a book on the railway by Sinclair and Fenn called The Facility of Locomotion which has details of the line and its building and is a very good read.
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You would be able to get a copy of Charles's death certificate from Kington Register Office
The Old Courthouse
Market Hall Street
Kington
Herefordshire HR5 3DP
this would show where he died, what of and who registered it and their addess. This could give a clue as to whether Miranda was still about with him in 1898.
She is not in Herefordshire in 1901 under Saxty or Sexty.
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Hi EBN
Many thanks for trying to find Miranda in 1901 and for sending me the other helpful information. I've had lots of spelling variations for the surname Saxty, Miranda may well be hiding somewhere but her disappearance is not an issue.
Gerry
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I have come across this entry with great interest and think I know who Miranda is ...
She is Miranda Knight (the sister of my great great grandmother, Ellen) b3 Sep 1847 in Gloucester and registered as Miranda Wheeler as her parents did not marry until 1850. She is shown on the 1851, 1861 and 1871 censuses living with her parents, and in the 1901 census (unmarried) with her sister Ellen and brother-in-law Robert Hayes. I believe she is shown as Miranda Wheeler Saxty in the 1891 census living as the 'daughter' of Charles Henry Saxty. Charles' wife and family continued to live in Oxford Street, Gloucester in 1881 and 1891, just a few doors away from the Knights in 1871.
I have a copy of Charles Saxty's death certificate - Charles Henry Saxty died of apoplexy on 4 June 1898 at Oaklands, Lyonshall, aged 70, and the informant was "Miranda Saxty, daughter, present at the death". After this presumably Miranda moved back to Gloucester and lived with her sister and brother-in-law.
What do you think?
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First of all can I welcome you to the website and say thank you for following up my posting of July last year.
I have been researching the Saxty family history for my son in law and Charles Henry Saxty (CHS) born about 1827 was his 3 x Great Grandfather on his maternal side. I have history back to John Saxty born about 1771 in Batheaston.
The 1881 census finds CHS in Lyonshall, Herts with daughter Miranda age 28 (c. 1853) born Gloucester, the 1891 census shows CHS still in Lyonshall with Miranda Wheeler Saxty, unmarried, age 35 (c. 1856) in Gloucester. She is shown as a housekeeper, not as a daughter of... I was aware CHS died in 1898 and I could not find Miranda in 1901 - I now know why. I also wondered why Miranda could not be found before 1881 - clearly she was not recorded with the surname of Saxty until 1881.
Miranda's birth year is inconsistent in the two census returns and different again to your own date of 1847, however there appears to be litle doubt we are talking about the same person. What remains unclear is the relationship between CHS and Miranda? Miranda Knight, registered as Miranda Wheeler (I now know where the surname Wheeler came from in the 91' census) and also Miranda Saxty the daughter of Charles Henry Saxty?
You say the Knight family lived in the same road as the Saxty family and I wonder if CHS had an affair which resulted in Miranda? Can you add any more to unravel this fascinating story?
Finally, could I ask a favour, that is a copy of the death certificate for CHS. I can send a PM with my e-mail, or my home address, but will wait until I hear from you.
Many thanks for contacting me with this information
Gerry
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Thank you for your welcome and reply! Of course you can have a copy of the death cert - if you let me have your e-mail that will be fine.
As to the relationship between CHS and Miranda: Miranda had two older siblings - a brother Thomas b1844 and sister Ellen b1846. Their mother Maria Wheeler eventually married Thomas Knight in 1850, and they had two more children. The name Knight is actually on Ellen's birth certificate (although crossed out and re-inserted). So she definitely knew Thomas before Miranda's birth.
I believe CHS was in Batheaston in 1841, married in Bedminster (Bristol) in 1850 and was in Liverpool in the 1851 census, so unless you know that he could have been in Gloucester in 1847, my instinct is that he and Miranda had the affair!
Fascinating, isn't it?
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Hi
I have sent you a PM
Gerry
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Hi,
I have Saxty's in my tree in the Bath/ Bathford area and was wondering if there is any connection.
I have a Richard Saxty (born c.1811) who married Ameila Puxton (born c. 1823). They married in 1849.
I know his father was John Saxty - but as yet have not pinned down which John.
Do you have a link to this Richard at all among your Saxtys?
Many thanks
Rebecca
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Hello Rebecca
Thanks for making contact and I have seen an extract from St Catherine's marriage index which shows Richard Saxty, sadly I cannot connect with Saxty's in my tree.
My Saxty tree starts in Batheaston with the birth of John Saxty c.1771. He married Anna Rawlings in 1792 in Batheaston. John died 1831, nothing more has been found about Anna. Their children: John - date of birth unknown, Elizabeth c.1795, Susannah c.1797, Charles Henry c.1798, Anne c.1800, Mary c.1802 and Sophia c.1806.
In hope, I looked at the LDS site but there is no birth for a Richard Saxty c.1811 or anything that might identify him to the family above.
Saxty is an uncommon name but I have found several spelling variations, however, yours is from Bath and mine is from Batheaston but I can't fill the narrow gap between. I'm sorry to send a negative reply, wish I could be more helpful.
gerry
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Hi.
Many thanks for your reply - I live in hope of taking this line back a little further.
The marriage that you mention or St Catherines is indeed my Richards first marriage. Shortly after this he and Amelia moved off to Edinburgh
On Richards first marriage his father is John Saxty Tailor
On Richards 2nd marriage (in Edinburgh) his mother is shown as Leah Saxty nee Whitaker, his father deceased John Saxty, Tailor.
I had looked at jour 1771 John and Anna Rawlings - but I have also made no link there.
I have been in touch with someone else who had linked john to be son of John Saxty 1752 from Priston (Somerset), who in turn was son of John 1705, also from Priston but unfortunatly she is off line due to ill health and I am not sure of her sources to verify the details, or to build on them further.
Saxty is indeed fairly uncommon name - though having lived with it all my life I am fairly good at spotting the many varients around ;D
I keep hunting I guess - I know Richard married twice and fathered a whole load of children - he must have a family somewhere.
Best wishes
Rebecca
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Hello Rebecca
I have looked again at the IGI, attempting to link the names and dates you show but have drawn a blank.
You mention Richard's first marriage in 1849 to Ameila Puxton and Richard's father was John Saxty Tailor. Is this detail taken from a marriage certificate and is the father John Saxty, occupation Tailor? Does it give Ameila's age, also her father's name and his occupation? Where did the marriage take place and if the couple moved to Edinburgh then it's quite possible they were still there for the 1851 census - have you tried to find them in Scotland?
Richard married again, to Leah Whittaker, when and where did this marriage take place. What can you add about Leah, what age is shown on the marriage certificate, what is the name of her father and his occupation and have you tried to find them through census returns after their marriage date?
I'm not sure how much research you have done but there could be avenues you have not yet explored and this site has many friendly people ready and willing to help with your research.
I do hope you can add a little more information and if so your Saxty research can be advanced.
gerry
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Hi Gerry,
Many thanks for taking a look at this lot.
I have a copy of the marriage certificate for Richard and Amelia Puxton - both 'of age'. They married 20th feb 1849 in the Parish Church in the Parish of St James, Bath. Richards father was John a Tailor and Amelias Peter Puxton, White Smith. Richard was at the time living at York Street.
Until today I have not found them on the 1851 census - but using the search on ancestry rather than scotlands people I have located them, and, using a different family on the census page have finaly found their entry there.
The family are living in Edinburgh with Richard working as a ladies boot and shoe maker, employing 6 men. They were living at 52 george street, edinburgh. This finally confirms a story I have been told that we used to have a shop next door to the Edinburgh assembly hall ;D
Amelia died April 1858 in Edinburgh.
Richard later married Sophia Burgundy september 1862 in Edinburgh (he widower her spinster) His father was listed as John Saxty - tailor, deceased and mother Leah Saxty (maiden name Whitaker) deceased
Richard died feb 1895 and his death certificate again lists John saxty tailor, deceased as his father and Leah Saxty (maiden name Whitaker) deceased as his mother.
I believe I have my Richard in 1841 census, at which point he was living in Pultenay Street, Bathwick, Bath, aged 25 working as m.s. (male servant) in the household of Charles Bill, independent means.
I have Amelias line a little further back - a line of peter Puxtons in Laverton, but any suggestions on the saxty line would be appreciated.
Best wishes
Rebecca
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Hi Rebecca
I'm glad you have made some progress. You appear to have Richard Saxty in 1841 and 1851 so with census returns you can only go forward. I don't have access to Ancestry but if you hit the 'brick wall' and need help then can I suggest you start a new thread on the appropriate county or country.
Sometimes the IGI offers a clue to events before 1837 but none of the names you offer appear to register.
I'm also sending you a PM.
God luck with your searches
Gerry
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Hello Gerry/Rebecca ?
I have to do this from memory as my family tree notes from research i did 20 years ago have been lost (hopefully they will turn up) ....
Richard Saxty and Amelia (Millie) Puxton were my great-great grandparents. Richard was definitely one of John Saxty's sons, born in Bathwick c1810 - his mum was Leah Whittaker who was John's 2 or 3rd wife ! It is distinctly possible that John was responsible for most of the Saxty's living today - his wives all had children and I'm pretty sure he didn't set much store in his marriage vows !
Richard & Millie moved to Edinburgh in 1849 and lived at No 2 The Mound (just below & to the left of Edinburgh Castle as you look at it from Princes Street). That building is now a hall of residence for Edinburgh Uni. They had four sons - Walter, Richard, Frank & Henry but Millie died from cancer in her early 50's. Richard was a butcher with premises in the city's infamous Rose Street. As you know, he remarried - to Sophia Burgundy, a native of Guadalope, who was a servant girl living in Edinburgh (Frederick Street I think). Richard's sons did not take to stepmum & the family split up with a great deal of acrimony.
Richard & Sophia moved to a tenement flat in Edina Street. Walter also became a butcher, and Frank ran off to England where he became an engineer. My great grandfather Richard died at a very young age as did his son George (my grandfather), and as did his son Richard (my dad). And I'm another Richard ...
I don't know what happened to Sophia - after Richard's death, she moved to England and I believe she died in a home in the early 20th. I never managed to pin down any records on her.
Many years ago there was a photograph of Richard & Sophia which was definitely seen by one of my aunts and also a distant cousin. They were positive it was destroyed - (what a great shame) - because of the upset that marriage had caused in the Saxty family in the last quarter of the 19th century.
Two of Richard's sons (Walter & Richard) married sisters called Taylor and they lived at 369 High Street (the Royal Mile) just opposite St Giles Cathedral. Sarah Taylor was my great grand-mother and I do have a picture of her with her two children (my dad & his sister). More will come back to me I'm sure - but Henry and Richard are two names which run through John's line rather often ... Hope this is of some use to you both .... :)
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Hello Richard
First of all I see this is your first posting so can I welcome you to RootsChat and say how much I enjoyed reading your memories of Richard Saxty and Amelia Puxton.
What you have said will be of great interest to Rebecca because it is her side of the Saxty family you are talking about. Reading this thread you will see that Rebecca and I have tried to join our respective Saxty families together but without success :(
Saxty is an uncommon name, however it does have a past history unlike some surnames which are rare and no origin can be found. I am researching the surname Liffully, so far tracing it to Gloucester in the mid 1700s but with no origin!
I do hope Rebecca picks up this thread, I'm sure she will be delighted to read what you have to say.
Gerry
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Hi Richard and Gerry,
You are right Gerry - I am excited to read this post and find another Saxty that is connected.
Richard and Amelia are my ggg grandparents through William Frank Saxty another of their sons.
Many thanks for this information Richard - I shall PM you with more information that I have.
Best wishes,
Rebecca
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Hi Everyone, coming in on this very late but am hoping someone is still researching SAXTY's...
Becky.g
I am searching for information on William Frank SAXTY who married Anna MILNE nee ROBINSON in 1906 at Newcastle on Tyne.
Any help would be appreciated
Regards, Vicki, Australia
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Hello Vicki
First of all welcome to RootsChat and the Saxty family research. If you look at Rebecca's posting of 26 July 2007 she also mentions William Frank Saxty so the two of you appear to have connections. Your posting of 5 April would be sent to everyone named in this thread but 4 years have elapsed, time has moved on, maybe Rebecca is off the radar, feel sure she would have replied if still researching on this site. Let's hope the following notes are helpful.
1891 Census, Living Blanchland, Durham
Thomas Robinson, 43, Retired lead miner, born Hunstanworth Durham
Mary Robinson, 45, born Blanchland, Durham
John Robinson, 18, Blacksmith apprentice, born Blanchland, Durham
Anna Robinson, 15, scholar "
William Robinson, 11, scholar "
Rebecca Robinson, 6, scholar "
Thomas Colpits, 81, father in law, retired farmer, born Walsingham, Durham
Anna Robinson m George Milne, 1896, Newcastle on Tyne
1901 Census, living 59 Thorpe Street, Elswick, Durham
George Milne, 27, born Scotland, Tailor
Anna Milne, 24, born Newcastle
Terrance Milne, 3, born Newcastle
William Milne, 1month, born Newcastle
Free BMD records the death of a George Milne in 1905. His age matches but a death certificate is needed to prove this is the correct GM.
Anna Milne (nee Robinson) married William Frank Saxty in 1906 in Newcastle on Tyne
1901 Census, , living 5 Steel Street, Consett, Durham
Henry J Saxty, 48, Plumber & Gas Fitter, born Scotland
Sarah Saxty, 47, born Gateshead, Durham
George R Saxty, 21, Pattern maker, born Blackhill, Durham
John R Saxty, 19, Boiler Smith, "
William F Saxty, 16, Builder, born Consett, Durham
Constance Saxty, 6 "
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1911 Census, living 17 Albion Street, Cheshire
William F Saxty, 26, Coachmaker (Hackney) born Durham
Anna Saxty, 33, born Blanchland, Durham
Florence Milne, s/dau, born Newcastle
William Milne, 10 s/on, "
Gladys Milne 7, s'dau "
Annie Milne, 6, s/dau "
Constance Saxty, 3, born Manchester
Amelia Saxty, 2, born Manchester
Sarah Anna Saxty, 1, born Sale Cheshire
Let me know if I can be of further help
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Hi Gerry,
Thank you for the welcome.
Yes it was Rebecca's posting naming William Frank SAXTY that was found in searching & drew me to this thread.
As you say 4 years has past so I'm delighted to receive a response at all.
I had found WFS & Anna MILNE nee ROBINSON on the 1911 Census, thanks mainly to the MILNE children being identified as step children.
Annie MILNE, age 6, step/daughter of WFS & daughter of Anna SAXTY, formerly MILNE nee ROBINSON is actually the focus of my current research.
I've not yet purchased the Death Certificate for George MILNE d.1905 but direct descendants assure me this is the correct entry.
Thank you for the Census information, I'd not found the 1901 for WFS yet, so that is very helpful.
The 1901 for George & Anna MILNE I do have (the Terrance is actually Florence), & the 1891 for Thomas Robinson has helped me to work back to 1841 Census quite easily, though Birth records are proving more challenging.
Your response is much appreciated & any help always most welcome,
Regards, Vicki
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Hello Vicki,
Sorry it has taken a couple of months to spot this posting and to respond - I have not been watching emails on this account very closely lately, but am still researching the Saxty line.
There are several William Frank Saxty's in my tree and I believe the one you are referring to is WF Saxty born Durham 1884. He was one of at least 8 children born to Henry James Saxty & Sarah Dawson. Henry was son of Richard and Millie (Amelia) mentioned in the posts below.
To be honest I have not researched down this line - I am on the line of William Frank (son of Richard and Millie), but am happy to share info on the line going back. It may be worth noting my WF had a son WF born 1883 Edinburgh - take care you do not get confused - like may families too many children with the same names at the same time!
How are you related to the Saxty line?
I shall update my email on this account to one I use a little more often these days so please do contact me if I can help.
Kind regards
Rebecca
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I wonder if there is a connection here with my cousin Marion's mother who was Connie Hutton Nee Saxty - born in Consett Co.Durham so not too far from Newcastle, but who lived nearly all of her married life at 309 Fagley Road, Eccleshill? Aunt Connie is now deceased but did tell me once that she had great trouble finding the Saxty's and thought they came from Lothian Road in Edinburgh. There was a Walter, a Henry and a Frank.
Malcolm Hutton Melbourne
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Hi Gerry,
Thank you for the welcome.
Yes it was Rebecca's posting naming William Frank SAXTY that was found in searching & drew me to this thread.
As you say 4 years has past so I'm delighted to receive a response at all.
I had found WFS & Anna MILNE nee ROBINSON on the 1911 Census, thanks mainly to the MILNE children being identified as step children.
Annie MILNE, age 6, step/daughter of WFS & daughter of Anna SAXTY, formerly MILNE nee ROBINSON is actually the focus of my current research.
I've not yet purchased the Death Certificate for George MILNE d.1905 but direct descendants assure me this is the correct entry.
Thank you for the Census information, I'd not found the 1901 for WFS yet, so that is very helpful.
The 1901 for George & Anna MILNE I do have (the Terrance is actually Florence), & the 1891 for Thomas Robinson has helped me to work back to 1841 Census quite easily, though Birth records are proving more challenging.
Your response is much appreciated & any help always most welcome,
Regards, Vicki
I have just spotted Rebecca's post with the Saxty Census in Consett 1901. Yes this is my cousin Marion's family. There is my late aunt Connie shown aged 6 years old.
Marion's daughter Hazel, grand-daughter of Constance Saxty lives in Tamworth whilst I am in Melbourne. I'm not sure how to post images here else would insert some of Connie taken as far back as about 1930.
All the best, Malcolm
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I've found this paragraph in one of Auntie Connie's letters she wrote to me in 1984. Hopefully it will help no end in tracing them back in Scotland.
"The Saxty family were an Edinburgh family, but all I know is my grandfather was one of a family of boys, my father used to ask me to get in touch with his cousins of whom one lived in Lothian Rd. Edinburgh. One of Dads Uncles was was called Walter, my grandad was Henry, & another Frank. One was a butcher, another kept a shoes shop. I remember once meeting Uncle Walter when he came down to Consett from Edin. for my grandad’s 70th birthday party. I don’t know if Grandad had any sisters as my Dad never spoke of any, it was always his Uncle’s he mentioned. They were a well known musical family, & up to the 1960, one of Dad’s cousins (Peggy) formed a ladies orchestra & travelled to far & wide over Scotland. She will be dead now. Peggy married her Cousin Richard so never changed her name when she married. Marion & I once called to see them when we were on holiday in Scotland & liked both Peggy & Richard who made us very welcome. By their home & its beautiful furnishings & silver etc. they seemed in very good circumstances. They only had one daughter but unfortunately she died of cancer & left no children either although she was only young & had only been married about two years when she died in Canada. I believe my fathers Uncles lived in Lothian Rd. Edin. there could even be some of the family still there.
However as I say I just don’t know how to start tracing them all. My Gt.Grandfather I understand was concerned in shipping & married a Buckinghamshire lady. She died in middle age."
Malcolm
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The family are living in Edinburgh with Richard working as a ladies boot and shoe maker, employing 6 men. They were living at 52 george street, edinburgh. This finally confirms a story I have been told that we used to have a shop next door to the Edinburgh assembly hall
Best wishes
Rebecca
Aha, Shoe Shop -
Auntie Connie's letter of 1984 - "The Saxty family were an Edinburgh family, but all I know is my grandfather was one of a family of boys, my father used to ask me to get in touch with his cousins of whom one lived in Lothian Rd. Edinburgh. One of Dads Uncles was was called Walter, my grandad was Henry, & another Frank. One was a butcher, another kept a shoes shop.
But this cannot be the same Richard that Connie visited if his wife was Peggy (short for Margaret I think?).
Malcolm
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Richard & Millie moved to Edinburgh in 1849 and lived at No 2 The Mound (just below & to the left of Edinburgh Castle as you look at it from Princes Street). That building is now a hall of residence for Edinburgh Uni. They had four sons - Walter, Richard, Frank & Henry but Millie died from cancer in her early 50's. Richard was a butcher with premises in the city's infamous Rose Street. .... Richard & Sophia moved to a tenement flat in Edina Street. Walter also became a butcher, and Frank ran off to England where he became an engineer. My great grandfather Richard died at a very young age as did his son George (my grandfather), and as did his son Richard (my dad). And I'm another Richard ...
....... Two of Richard's sons (Walter & Richard) married sisters called Taylor and they lived at 369 High Street (the Royal Mile) just opposite St Giles Cathedral....... but Henry and Richard are two names which run through John's line rather often ... Hope this is of some use to you both .... :)
Again quoting from Auntie Connie's letter -
"The Saxty family were an Edinburgh family, but all I know is my grandfather was one of a family of boys, my father used to ask me to get in touch with his cousins of whom one lived in Lothian Rd. Edinburgh. One of Dads Uncles was was called Walter, my grandad was Henry, & another Frank. One was a butcher, another kept a shoes shop. I remember once meeting Uncle Walter when he came down to Consett from Edin. for my grandad’s 70th birthday party. I don’t know if Grandad had any sisters as my Dad never spoke of any, it was always his Uncle’s he mentioned. They were a well known musical family, & up to the 1960, one of Dad’s cousins (Peggy) formed a ladies orchestra & travelled to far & wide over Scotland. She will be dead now. Peggy married her Cousin Richard so never changed her name when she married. Marion & I once called to see them when we were on holiday in Scotland & liked both Peggy & Richard who made us very welcome. By their home & its beautiful furnishings & silver etc. they seemed in very good circumstances. They only had one daughter but unfortunately she died of cancer & left no children either although she was only young & had only been married about two years when she died in Canada. I believe my fathers Uncles lived in Lothian Rd. Edin. there could even be some of the family still there.
However as I say I just don’t know how to start tracing them all. My Gt.Grandfather I understand was concerned in shipping & married a Buckinghamshire lady. She died in middle age.
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So all the names Richard, Walter, Frank, Henry match and so do the Butcher and Shoes Shops.
It really has paid typing out all those letters and keeping them on file.
Malcolm
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Hello everyone
I'm 'outside the box' on the latest postings to this thread but it's interesting to read what has been said - some six and a half years since I made the initial move :)
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1891 Census, Living Blanchland, Durham
Thomas Robinson, 43, Retired lead miner, born Hunstanworth Durham
Mary Robinson, 45, born Blanchland, Durham
John Robinson, 18, Blacksmith apprentice, born Blanchland, Durham
Anna Robinson, 15, scholar "
William Robinson, 11, scholar "
Rebecca Robinson, 6, scholar "
Thomas Colpits, 81, father in law, retired farmer, born Walsingham, Durham
Just for the record for the benefit of whoever may be interested in Anna Saxty's Robinson family I searched the 1841 census which I have for Co. Durham on CD's. Blanchland by the way is not in Durham but across the bridge over the Derwent and in Northumberland. Blanchland Bridge does however show up in the Durham Census, but only one family. The search is also complicated as Hunstanworth is given as Hurstonworth in the Index.
However these are the Robinson families I found:
Hunstanworth John Robinson 60 Leadmine Agent N
(No Street Ann 45 N
address given) Caroline 25 Y
Charlotte 20 Y
William 20 Y
Nicholas 20 Y
Joseph 10 Y
?? 5 (female column) Y
Another name with different surname not legible 70 N
Ramshaw Thomas Robinson 55 Mine Agent N
Elizabeth " N
Jeffrey's Rake John Robinson 20 Lead Miner Y
Mary 15 Y
Elis 4 months Y
My gt.grandfather William Dent would have known the Robinsons as he was born at Whiteheaps Hunstanworth in 1855. He went off to Consett when the Iron Works began expanding to avoid lead poisoning as the story goes, and then lost an eye in the Works. I have a historic map of the Hunstanworth area including Ramshaw and Jeffrey's Rake, and I took some photos of the remaining cottages at Ramshaw on a trip to England back in the 1980's. All very wild and desolate now.
Malcolm
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Hello everyone
I'm 'outside the box' on the latest postings to this thread but it's interesting to read what has been said - some six and a half years since I made the initial move :)
We are so grateful that you did, Gerry. So much is coming to light now. Many many thanks, Malcolm
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I have just received this email from cousin Marion who throws more light on to this side of the Saxty family.
"You have found information on my mothers family that I have been looking for --for years and hadn't been successful. My mother was in the 1911 census--she was born in 1907 so the Constance in the 1901 census is her aunt--sister of her father William Frank Saxty. Henry Saxty was my gt.grandfather who in his latter years lived in Bishop Aukland with his daughter Constance and I remember visiting him there. I have photo of the four generations taken when I was 2 or 3 yrs old--me ,my mother , her father Frank and his father Henry.
The Anna Saxty who died at 10 Mount St. was my mother's mother--Frank Saxty's wife. I was mistaken in thinking it was Chapel St but now recall it was Mount St.!
Anna Saxty was first married to George Milne and they had one son and three daughters before he died. Frank was his best friend and kept an eye on Anna and her children before marrying her and they had 4 daughters--Elizabeth( Betty) was the youngest by quite a few years and she too lived in Eccleshill after she was married to James Quinn.
The 1891 census is the really important one for me --Anna being my Grandmother and Rebecca who also lived in Consett after she married and again I recall visiting her there.
I am so delighted to have all this info the 1911 census is my mothers family. I haven't decided how to fit in the family in the 1901 census living in Elswick, Durham."
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More from Cousin Marion:
"In answer to your questions--this is an extract from the Consett newspaper about 1967 written probably by his grandson's wife Beth Carr who was a journalist and reporter. He had returned for a holiday 33yrs after leaving Consett for Bradford.
'William Frank Saxty was born in Derwent St Blackhill in 1884. He was first apprenticed as a coach builder to Joseph Cowan and son --a Hexam firm who had premises in Taylor St. Consett. In 1906 he went to work for the Argyll Motor works and later moved to Manchester where in1912 he was one of the first men employed at Trafford Park in the Ford Motor company
In 1915 he returned to Blackhill and was coach building in the old ABC buses until 1933 when he moved to Bradford to the Experimental Department of the Jowett Motors retiring when he was aged 73.'
Marion: "I remember him coming to stay with my parents to our home Bluehaze in Exeter--it must have been 1961 and forms had to be filled out for the census of all the people living at our address on that specific date. My mother had an argument with her father about she was sure she was born in Consett and was very put out when she discovered it was in Sale so she was born in Lancashire!! She had always claimed to be a Consett girl!! I have an old photo of my grandmother with her 3 little daughters outside the house where they lived.
I am not sure where the Argyll motor works was --do you know??--maybe that was near Manchester.
He lived with my parents for a number of years after he retired until my mother came home one day to find he had fallen and broken his hip and as she was working full time with her fireplace business decided he was better at Grove House in Harrogate a retirement home for RAOB members of which he had long been a member. It was a super place just like a first class hotel and he was regularly taken on holiday from there so he was really happy.
I will try and copy the photo I have of the 4 generations plus his tools which our daughter Susan has and had them on display at the school where she was head of Design and Technology. There was a Ford Motor company in Swansea where she lives--(I believe it is now an Amazon Depot) and amazingly was contacted by a John Saxty who had worked there until he retired He saw the piece in the local paper about my grandfathers tools and their connection . He came to visit us on a trip he made to Devon to visit a relation and gave me quite a lot of ancestry notes about the Saxty's. Sadly he died a couple of years ago whilst at a meeting on ancestry--heart attack I think.
My mother had also traced a Dick Saxty who was a journalist for the Sun newpaper--I am pretty sure he lived in Manchester and she visited him and his family a few times. She also found a Callie Saxty who was curator of a castle in Cornwall -- Callies husband was a Saxty. The name of the castle I just cannot recall."
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"My mother said Frank's mother was from a family of glove makers in Bath??
My mother and I went to Edinburgh on holiday when I was 17 or 18 and we called on a Saxty family who lived there but do not know the connection!"
Malcolm: This tells us a lot about William Frank and I cannot wait to see the photos. But Frank's mother Sarah was born in Gateshead according to the census, so I think Auntie Connie must have been referring to his grandmother Amelia Puxton. Does anyone know anything of glove makers in Bath in the mid 19th century?
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1891
36 Front Street
Henry Saxty Head M. 37 Plumber and Gasfitter Born Scotland
Sarah “ Wife M. 36 Gateshead
Geo. “ Son 11 Blackhill
John R “ Son 9 “
Wm. F. “ Son 6 “
Mary G. “ Dtr. 4 Consett
Amelia(?) “ Dtr. 1
I had a google look for 36 Front Street today and got a shock. It shows a boarded up building - Woolworths. I must have been inside there many times during the War. I can recall being sent there to get some metal washers which we used to screw on to saucepans that had got a hole in them. They were round pieces of metal about the size of a penny with a rubber lining and screws to fasten them tight.
Google say that picture was taken in 2009. Have since discovered that that store closed down in December 2008 and there is a photo of Brights Consett dated 2008 which shows that the whole lot has been divided and refronted before the Google photo was taken. How did they do that?
Henry and Sarah's daughter Amelia must have been named after his mother Amelia Puxton.
I wonder if William Frank was inspired to go into motor car manufacturing by Mr. Bean's Dad? Mr.Atkinson senior not only owned the Empire Cinema which is opposite the old Woollies, but he had a Garage in Consett too.
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Hello Rebecca
My Saxty tree starts in Batheaston with the birth of John Saxty c.1771. He married Anna Rawlings in 1792 in Batheaston. John died 1831, nothing more has been found about Anna.
Could this be her - http://176.34.78.216/fhdb/fhSearchResults.php
Caught Stealing and sentenced in Bath Quarter Sessions on 4 January 1839 to 2 weeks in Bath Goal. I think they mean Gaol, but perhaps two weeks keeping goal for the Bath Football team might have been on the cards. Reference QS/2/3/1/0151
But seriously things could have been getting tough for her 8 years after John died.
Something else there - a probate for Robert Saxty - will have a look,
Malcolm
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Probate on Robert Saxty's will granted 15/8/1819 Bath Ancestors - Reference BC153/1314/1
Malcolm
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There are more records at Bath Ancestors for Robert Saxty 1772 and 1781 paying rates of 8s and 2s. But then a rather interesting reference to a Mr R Saxty for a petition - Bath Loyal Association in 1792/3.
What I was really looking for was a street directory for Bath, for if Amelia Puxton was from a family of glove makers then they might be listed for that trade.
I have had no luck looking for a Peggy (Saxty?) therefore Margaret who married a Richard Saxty(?) in Scotland then formed a ladies orchestra and toured Scotland.
Malcolm
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Charles Henry Saxty born about 1828 in Batheaston Somerset.
Gerry
Thomas Saxty was also born in Batheaston, about 1825, and he also worked for the GWR. His son Albert born 1859 enlisted in the army upping his age and using the name of Alfred. Albert was one of the heroic soldiers who fought off the Zulu Army led by Cetawayo at Rorke's Drift. He went on to serve in Burma where he was briefly married and then disappeared for about 30 years, turning up in London in 1930. He died in 1936.
My interest is the same as Becky's, i.e. Richard Saxty who married Amelia Puxton in Bath but then the couple moved to Edinburgh. Richard was born circa 1814.
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Merry Christmas everyone :)
Charles Saxty c.1828, Thomas Saxty c.1825, both born in Batheaston. I wonder if anyone has discovered a blood relationship between the two?
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Just for the record if any Saxty researcher comes across this page - http://www.uk.mundia.com/gb/Person/30564628/12788815538 then please note that Alaister Milne has got the date of this Constance Saxty's death wrong. It was my cousin Marion's mother, also called Constance Saxty who died in 1996 not her great aunt who would have died Marion thinks in the mid 1970's.
Yes Gerry it does seem that Thomas and Charles were very likely brothers. If only we could track that connection down. I wonder if Kris Wheatley found out more when she was writing her account on Albert Saxty - refer http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/4189340.Chequered_life_of_a_Zulu_war_hero/ Albert's story is apparently in volume 2 of her books
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Hello, Malcolm, this is Alastair Milne. I've heard my mother (Marion's Aunt Gladys's daughter) mention you a number of times. You were right about the error in the date of Constance Saxty Sr.'s death -- pity, I thought 102 was an excellent age to reach. Oh well. I forget the reason for the confusion between the 2 Constances, but I found the death index listing for Constance Sr and the Ancestry tree has been updated.
Mundia, however, may be a problem. It acts as if I've logged in, then keeps knocking me back to a login window. Nor is it happy letting me login from Facebook. So I can only hope the change in the Ancestry tree will get taken up by Mundia.
BTW, did you try sending me a message about it? I note there are e-mail links in the Mundia page, or were when I could still reach it. Either way, I'm glad you spotted it, as I surely would not have.
As to the Edinburgh Saxtys, whom I've seen discussed in previous messages, they were included in the tree that I received from Christine Meikeljohn, that was started by her mother. As I recall she took it back to the generation that were in and around Bath before moving, for reasons unknown, to Edinburgh. This was the genesis of the tree I put in Ancestry, so I suspect that Mundia also makes it available.
But to me, the most mysterious of the Milne/Saxty siblings is William Milne, the firstborn. I have some info that he lived til 1980, and married somebody called "Millicent" or "Millie", who used to be called "Big Millie" to distinguish her from Auntie Millie (Brewis). Millie Brown, I think was her name. But I've also heard that he didn't survive childhood. Obviously there are more than enough William Milnes for Ancestry to provide a torrent of "hints", but identifying him out of the stream seems impossible, so I'm not getting any further ahead.
Thanks,
Alastaor
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Hi Alaistair,
Good to see you here on Rootschat and welcome as I see it is your first post. No it wasn't me trying to send messages on Mundia. But I know how frustrating it is trying to put the odd error right. I have had the same thing with World Connect and with the LDS in the past. In the end I send them a message and still nothing happens. Not so long ago I corrected a major error began by others on Clan Turnbull. They did acknowledge and they did change one of the partners but not the other. This goes to stress the importance of checking everything oneself and never rely on other people's research no matter how good you know they are.
I got mixed up myself with the two Constance Saxty's when I first came across the Aunt living in Consett in one census. But Marion soon put me right there.
When I get a moment I'll have a look at the William Milne problem. You never know I might come across something that will explain all. As I discovered with the Willis case in Melbourne, you sometimes only have to ask the question and then eventually something will come out of the blue.
Please keep in touch, and good luck with your searches, Malcolm
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Hi there,
I am trying to glean some information about a J. Saxty of Edinburgh in late 1929 to 1930.
I have been on Scotland's people and knocked up a quick family tree in Family Search which shows it can only really be either:
James Gibson Saxty 1885-1960 (1930 at 75 Warreneder Park Road) or
John Macintosh Saxty 1880-1942 (1930 at 15 Falcon Avenue or 1 Viewpoint Square)
They were both sons of William Frank Saxty 1855-1915.
His father was Richard Saxty 1813-1895 who I see have both appeared on this thread !
The reason for my interest is that I have recently acquired a vintage Armstrong Siddeley Motor Car sold by Rossleigh of Edinburgh in December 1929.
The client was recorded as J. Saxty.
I have no other information and just wondered if anyone reading this thread had any more information about either oi these two chaps.
By 1947 the car was in Southend on Sea and owned by a lady with the name of Miss Edith Mabel Campion. She surrendered her driving license in 1965 and the car was stored until about 1981.
I have not been able to establish any link between the Campion and Saxty families thus far so the car may well have been sold after J. Saxty's ownership. Or was he perhaps a car dealer ?