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Title: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: tad on Sunday 16 July 06 20:09 BST (UK)
I am having a hard time finding the family of my gr.grandfather who according to 1891 census was born in Two Gates about 1849.  His name is GEORGE ERNEST BIRD.  Thanks
tad ???
Title: Re: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: Pinetree on Sunday 16 July 06 21:06 BST (UK)
Hi Tad,

Where was he living in 1891? Do you know his occupation?

There is a birth registration for George BIRD in Tamworth in 1849 registers at Lichfield ref: T/6/6.

Do you know who he married and when?

Any more clues to help us track him down would be great.

Pinetree

P.S.  I have an Mary BIRD in my tree born 1809 in Tamworth but apart from knowing her father was Joseph she's proving pretty elusive too!
Title: Re: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: Pinetree on Sunday 16 July 06 21:34 BST (UK)
Tad,

I can see a George BIRD born abt 1849 in Staffs on the 1861 index living at Wilnecote, Warwickshire.  Two Gates comes under the parish of Wilnecote so may be worth a look.

I can't access the details for you but hopefully someone else might be able to.

Pinetree
Title: Re: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: tad on Monday 17 July 06 00:30 BST (UK)
Hi Pinetree,

Here is what I have on George Bird & family.
1891 census at 1 Chichester Mews, Paddington, London.
RG/12/2 

George   head 42 years born Two Gates, Warwickshire
Emily Annie  wife 28 years born Cardiff, Glamorgan
All children born in Paddington, London
Thomas   5
Elizabeth  4
Catherine 2 (my grandmother)
Annie Susan 1 

I found a marriage and birth for George on the free BMD as follows:
Born June 1/4  1849 Two Gates, Warwickshire.
Married Sep 1/4 1884 Lambeth, London.

What exactly are you referring to "index"?  Is there some way that maybe I could get into it? 

Wouldn't it be something if your Mary and Joseph were related to my George?  Stranger things have happened.

Thanks so much for your help
tad
Title: Re: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: indiapaleale on Monday 17 July 06 02:00 BST (UK)
I think I've got it!

1851
Sterscote, Staffordshire
Lycester?
Joseph Bird Head 39 Blacksmith Wiggington, Staffs
Catherine Bird Wife 34 Wiggington, Staffs
Thomas Bird Son 12 Wigginton, Staffs
Sussanah Bird Dau 9 Wiggington, Staffs
Jane Bird Dau 4 Wiggington, Staffs
George Bird Son 2 Wiggington, Staffs
HO107/2013 Folio 123 Page 1

1861
Wilnecote, Tamworth,
Warwickshire
Watling St.
Joseph Bird Head Blacksmith Wiggington, Staffs
Catherine Bird Wife Comberford, Staffs
Thomas Bird Son 21 Miner Wiggington, Staffs
Joseph Bird Son 17 Miner Wiggington, Staffs
Jane Bird Dau 15 Wiggington, Staffs
George Bird Son 12 Works in Brickyard Wiggington, Staffs
Catherine Bird Dau 10 Wiggington, Staffs
Charles Bird Son 6 Wilnecote, Warks
RG9/1970 Folio 40 Page 10

Here is the Genuki page for Tamworth...it is split btwn Staffs and Warks and gets a bit fuzzy!

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Tamworth/index.html

I'll have a look for 1871

Cheers,
Indi

Title: Re: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: tad on Monday 17 July 06 02:13 BST (UK)
HI Indi,
WOW!!   After I read Pinetree's post I went looking too and found the same thing and thought that I would wait to see if anyone else had the same.  This all seems to be falling into place and after about 10 years of looking.  Just needed to get the right board with people that are in the know.
Thanks so much
tad
Title: Re: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: indiapaleale on Monday 17 July 06 02:40 BST (UK)
Hi Tad...can't put my hand on him in 1871 or 1881...I wonder what he was doing?

Anyway....if you buy the marriage cert it will confirm the census info!

Do you have the marriage cert ref number?

Indi...who has lots of rellies from the beautiful city of Tamworth!
Title: Re: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: Pinetree on Monday 17 July 06 09:58 BST (UK)
Hi Tad,

I hope this turns out to be your family.

The older children appear on IGI baptised in Tamworth (batch C010063).

As the father Joseph was born abt. 1812 there is always a chance he could be a brother of my Mary - you never know ::)

Best of luck.

Pinetree

P.S. By 1861 index I just meant the search results pages on Ancestry - but sounds like you may already have access to that.
Title: Re: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: Pinetree on Monday 17 July 06 10:08 BST (UK)
Tad,

There is a Charles BIRD boarding with the family of John WAIN on 1881 census at Two Gates - gives his place of birth as Two Gates as well.

Could be a possibility for George's brother.

Ref: RG11 2770 folio 131 page 55.

Pinetree
Title: Re: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: tad on Monday 17 July 06 18:38 BST (UK)
Hi Indi,

On my grans' marriage she had him as having been a soldier and when he died in 1896 (ref: grans story she was 9 when he died and she was born mid 1888) she was put into a girls home for daughters of soldiers.  Which for a change bears out part of her story.  So now I will have to go and find him in that area if I can and it looks like he joined at that time.  Does anyone know if when the census was taken for the army if it was kept seperate?
Thanks so much Indi and Pinetree you have solved so much in such a short time I am amazed.  Pinetree I will look for your Mary as I go on my travels and will let you know if I find her.  Did you send me all her info before (not able to go back without losing my stuff here) if not can you get it to me and I will put it in my files.
Thanks again so appreciated
tad 
Title: Re: Two Gates, Tamworth
Post by: Pinetree on Sunday 07 October 07 13:13 BST (UK)
Hi Tad,

So sorry I seem to have missed coming back to you about Mary BIRD.  She married Charles JONES and the following thread has some more information:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,159213.0.html

This is the little I have on my BIRD line so far:

JOSEPH1 BIRD was born Abt. 1777 in Staffordshire (Source: Census 1851, Church Street, Tamworth, Staffordshire.).
   
Child of JOSEPH BIRD is:
2.   i.   MARY2 BIRD, b. Abt. 1809, Tamworth, Staffordshire.


Generation No. 2

2.  MARY2 BIRD (JOSEPH1) was born Abt. 1809 in Tamworth, Staffordshire (Source: Census 1851, Birmingham.).  She married CHARLES JONES 31 May 1830 in Tamworth, Staffordshire (Source: IGI.).  He was born Abt. 1811 in Fazeley, Staffordshire (Source: Census 1851, Birmingham.).

Children of MARY BIRD and CHARLES JONES are:
3.   i.   ELIZABETH3 JONES, b. Bef. 06 Feb 1831, Fazeley, Tamworth, Staffordshire; d. 1908.
   ii.   MARY JONES, b. Abt. 1835, Tamworth, Staffordshire.
   iii.   JOSEPH JONES, b. Bef. 04 Mar 1838, Tamworth, Staffordshire (Source: IGI.).

More About JOSEPH JONES:
Baptised: 04 Mar 1838, Tamworth, Staffordshire (Source: IGI.)

   iv.   CHARLES JONES, b. Abt. 1840, Birmingham.
   v.   ESTHER JONES, b. Abt. 1846, Birmingham; m. THOMAS ADEY, 16 Jul 1865, St Paul's Fazeley Staffordshire.

               vi.    HANNAH JONES, b. Abt. 1848, Birmingham.

All the best

Pinetree