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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: Jimbo of Canada on Friday 14 July 06 17:51 BST (UK)
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My Great grandfather JOHN GEDDES b. 1844-46 Buckie d. May 1, 1938, buried at Hillhead cemetery, m. Jan.14, 1871 to HELEN SPALDING b.1849-52 Tannadice, Forfar, had 11 children: Helen, Anne, Isabella, John, James, Elizabeth Jane, John, George, Mary, Alexander and Jesse. They were born in Boyndie and Fordyce. Jesse was my grandmother.
This is as far back as I have info.
I am trying to find John's parents or any of his brothers and sisters.
Hoping someone recognizes some of these names.
Jimbo
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Hi Jimbo
The Scotlands People web site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk has his death cert:
GROS Ref - 164-010052
Rathven, Buckie
1 May 1938, 5.00 a.m
John Geddes, 93, carter (retd), widower of Helen Spalding
Parents - John Geddes, Carter, (dec) and Ann, maiden surname Dow
Cause of death - senility
Informant - James Geddes, grandson
Gadget :)
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Hi Gadget,
Thanks for the info. This fills in another part of my lineage. I had a John and Ann living at 38 High St. in Buckie and Geddes families all living at various homes along High Street but couldn't put them together as being of the same family.
Now I have to try and find both John & ( Ann )'s parents, and John & ( Helen ) 's brothers and sisters.
My wife and I are planning a trip to Scotland next year. I want to check out both my mother's side ( Geddes and Proudfoot ) and my father's side (McGill of Renfrewshire ) . Hopefully I can get some more info in person at various places as well as see where they lived.
Scotland's a long way from Calgary, Canada.
Again, thank you very much for filling in a missing link.
James
Again
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Hi James
Happy to help. I know Canada fairly well -was in Ontario 1968-9 :) Some of my D & G collateral kin also settled there in the early 1830s and I have some wonderful letters and documents about them.
It might be worth your while taking out a subscription to Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk . All the OPRs are there - no deaths though :( and the official registrations are fantastic.
You might also like to read Pam's piece on researching Scottish records - a good account of what you can find - remotely:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
Cheers
Gadget
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Just to help a wee bit more, here is the 1881 census information:
Little Auchmillie, Fordyce, Banff
GROS 153/1 ED 5 p1
John Geddes Head M 35 b Buckie, Banff Agricultural Labourer
Hellen Geddes wife M 29 b Tannadice, Forfar
Hellen Geddes daughter 11 b Boyndie, Banff Scholar
Ann Geddes daughter 9 b Fordyce, Banff Scholar
Isabella Geddes daughter 5 b Boyndie, Banff scholar
James Geddes son 3 b Fordyce, Banff
Elizabeth Geddes daughter 1 b Fordyce, Banff
I wonder if this is John's parents?
High Street Rathven, Banff
GROS 164 ED 5 p15
John Geddes Head M 62 b Rathven, Banff Carter & Feuer
Ann Geddes wife M 63 b Buckie, Banff
Mary I. Geddes daughter 20 Buckie, Banff Net worker ( I think this should be Mary J - birth for a Mary Jane shown on the IGI)
Alexander Winchester grandson U 17 b Buckie, Banff Ironmongers Apprentice
George Cumming grandson 7 b Buckie, Banff scholar
Jeanie Davidson granddaughter 1 b Buckie, Banff
John Keir Boarder U 25 b Keith, Banff saddler
Catherine Coutts Boarder U 68 b Carmichael, Banff Pauper
If so, then the implication is that John had at least three sisters! There are two brothers listed on the IGI, both born after civil registration began in 1855.
Nell
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Hi James
Do you have any idea when Helen died (obviously before 1938)? I could see if we could find her parents too.
Gadget
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Found it:
GROS Ref- 164-000152
18th December 1916, 5am, Farquhar's Lane, High St, Buckie
Helen Geddes, wife of John Geddes,carter, aged 67
Parents - John Spalding, farm grison (dec) and Ann, maiden surname Wallace (dec)
Cause - chronic valvular disease of the heart - acute
Informant - James Geddes, son, 35 High Street, Buckie
I knew that there was something about your posting - I have a Scottish Spalding (Jean) as an ancestor!
Gadget :)
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Hi Jimbo
Just to add to Gadget & Little Nell's contributions.
If you want to look further back for the Geddes' line in Rathven try;
http://rgu-sim.rgu.ac.uk/history/family_history.htm
Previous generations are all there on the Port gordon site.
Russell
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Hi Gadget and Nell and Russell,
First of all, the 1881 census is right on. I also do have a son John b. July 21,1873 d. in infantcy. Jesse (my grandmother) b. June 21, 1882, another John b. Sept. 1884 d. unknown, George, b. Apr.11,1886 (emigrated to Washington DC ) d. date unknown, Alexander b. Apr. 14, 1893 d. 1953 and Mary d. infant.
Secondly, I have Cummings' in my Proudfoot line as well. It's going to be fun finding out these sisters and brothers names and matching them with Winchesters, Cummings, and Davidsons. A good question would be : " where are the grandkids parents and why are the kids living with John and Ann " ? The family really branches out with all these children.
As for Helen Spalding, I didn't have any info on her parents. My mother, Helen Spalding Proudfoot McGill was named after her. My grandmother, Jesse Geddes married Robert Proudfoot and emigrated to Toronto Canada. Gadget, does any of your lineage match up with John and Ann Spalding ?
Russell, I checked the Port Gordon site, and I can't go back any further yet beyond John Geddes and Ann Dow until i find out his parents names and if they were from this same area or PG although its so close.
Again, I want to thank all of you for all this great help.
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Ann Dow parents James Doe(Dow) and Margaret Geddes
James d1 Sep 1843 and Margaret d 10 Sep 1855 Rathven
John Geddes (husband of Ann) parents John Geddes and May (Marjorie) Milne and he died 2 Mar 1903 at 38 High St Buckie
Hope this helps
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Hi Swimmer,
Thanks for the info on Ann's parents. I had the info on John and May. Apparently most of the Geddes family lived on High Street in Buckie during the latter part of their lives.
I wonder if Margaret Geddes was a distant cousin or just happened to have the same last name.
I just found out that Marjory "May" Milne was born June 13, 1796 in Bellie, (parents john Milne and Isobel Scott) married John Geddes on Nov.16, 1817 at Bellie.
I'm now trying to find out how many other children they had besides John b. Dec.3,1818.
If you come across anything more on this please let me know.
Jim
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I didn't have the info on May Milne. As for Margaret Geddes I often wondered about that too. My husband descended from Isabella ca 1818 (dau of John and May Milne) who marr Peter Gordon.
Other children of John and May wereMay (Marjory) ca 1826, William ca 1822 and Elizabeth ca 1836. These 3 went to Aberdeen and died there - none of them married.
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Had another look at my notes
Margaret Geddes aged 76 when she died in 1855 and buried with husband in Rathven cemetery.
Did you know that there were 2 lots of Geddes one lot were fisherfolk and our lot were farmfolk and they don't seem to mix.
James Dow aged 65 in 1843.
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Hi Swimmer,
Was just checking the IGI index and I couldn't find anything on Isabella and the other kids. Only records I've found are my GG Grandfather John Geddes b. 1818, and his parents John Geddes and Marjory Milne, who are my GGG grandparents.
Where did you find Isabella and the other kids birthdates?
How are you doing on the Geddes line?
Jim
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I have transcriptions of the death certs of Isabella, May, William and Elizabeth which gives their ages and parents. I think a lot of the Geddes were Catholic which is possibly why there are no christenings on the IGI. They are buried in South Division 13 Lair 22 at St Peter,s cemetery in Aberdeen Also buried in this lair but not on tombstone is James Thomson husband of Magdalene Milne (parents Matthew Milne and Magdalene Milne ms Milne) Question - Was Magdalene related to our May who married John Geddes? I imagine so somehow.
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Hi Swimmer,
It did seem that the fishermen and the farmers never did mix marriages although I believe they were all related if you go back further. I don't think they were catholic though because i have seen christening dates on the IGI instead of birth dates.
I checked IGI for Magdalene but there are a lot of Milnes and its hard to match when you don't have any dates to go by. Its possible she is related but it would help to know her dates of birth and death and place of birth.
If you want to exchange copies of our direct lineages send me a PM with your email address and I'll get it off to you. Its always great to find more cousins.
Jim
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I would love to do that but i have no idea how to go about it -I'm not too good at this computer stuff.
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Swimmer,
Sent you a PM.
Jim
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I am looking for a Geddes connection. Emma Margaret Geddes (born 18 June 1904) married James Milton. Both were teachers variously at Buckie and Portessie. Emma had siblings, Nan, Jean, Grace, Isabelle and Bill. I would like to find who their parents were.
Cheers,
Maggie
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Hi Maggie :)
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Emma Margaret Geddes's parents were
George Geddes, master tailor
and
Margaret Duncan
They married June 8th 1888, Edinburgh.
If you register with the Scotland's People site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, you will be able to view and download their marriage certificate and find out who, in turn, their parents are. It's pay to view but this search has only cost me 6 units (1 unit = 20p).
Happy Christmas :)
Gadget
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Hi again Maggie
As I'm in a Christmas mood -
8 June 1888 The New Waverley Hotel, Waterloo Place, Edinburgh
After Banns according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland
George Geddes, Tailor (journeyman) Bachelor, aged 27
Parents - Peter Geddes, tailor and clothier (dec) and Margaret McKenzie
And
Maggie Duncan, domestic servant, spinster, aged 24
Parents - James Duncan, blacksmith ( dec_) and Margaret Gordon (dec)
Gadget ;) :) :)
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Oh - thank you so much for the information. I'll have to do the plodding without scotlandspeople though owing to the necessity of a credit card. Thank you for using your credit for me on this since I'm a total stranger. It now begs the question....what were they doing down in Edinburgh? I felt that the family were locals since both Geddes and Duncan are Buckie names.
Cheers,
Maggie
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as gadget says IT'S CHRISTMAS
1861 census; 2 below the brae, rathven
the geddes family
peter...head...age 37...tailor
margaret...wife...age 38
alexander...son...age 11
william...son...age 8
john...son...age 4
george...son...age 5 months
all born rathven
wonder if your james duncan was married before? to isabella?
happy hunting
Joe
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Hi again
In 1901 George and Margaret were living at 3 Bridge Place, Buckie, Rathven
George, 40, Tailor and clothier (employer), b. Buckie
Margaret, 37, b. Fochabers
Peter, 11, b. Buckie
Lizzie G, 9, b. Buckie
James D, 7, b. Buckie
Jeanie, 4, b. b. Buckie
George, 2, b. Buckie
Grace G, 1, b. Buckie
Annie D, 2 months, b. Buckie
Next door was John Geddes, 44 also a tailor and clothier,wife Charlotte, 46 and six children all born Buckie.
Not sure waht George and Margaret were doing in Edinburgh in 1888. It's definitely them. I'll have a wee lookie.
Gadget :)
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Joe
Think I have the answer to Margaret's mother. I think it was down wrongly on the marriage cert. On Maggies birth reg:
22 July 1863 Margaret Duncan. Fochabers, Bellie, Morayshire
Parents - James Duncan, blacksmith and Elizabeth Duncan, maiden surname Gordon.
Margaret = Elizabeth= Isabella. Oh the Scots have so many names :D :D :D
They married July 12 1859, Fochabers
Gadget
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12 July 1859 , Fochabers. marriage by Banns between us according to the Forms of the Church of Scotland
James Duncan, aged 28. Bachelor. Blacksmith. Parents - William Duncan, Farmer and Elizabeth, m.s. Hacket or Hackit
and
Elizabeth Gordon, aged 28, spinster. Parents - George Gordon, farm servant and Anne, m.s. Munro.
Gadget
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thanks gadget, here is the 1861
1861 census; east end, bellie, moray
the duncan family
james...head...age 30...blacksmith...born chapel of garioch, aberdeen
elizabeth...wife...age 30...born bellie
ann...dau...age 1...born bellie
charles...nephew...age 17...app blacksmith...born bourtie, aberdeen
will now check out the details you have posted gadget for the other censuses
Joe
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That would be great Joe :)
I've been suffering from poor conectivity over the last few days and am trying to catch up.
I would think that the IGI (www.familysearch.org |) might have info on the earlier marriages/births
Gadget :)
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best i can do
1841 census; parkside, bourtie, aberdeen
the duncan family
william...age 40...farmer
elizabeth...age 50
james...age 10
isobel...age 12
ann...age 5
all born aberdeen
1851 census; parkside boutrie aberdeen
elizabeth...head...farmer's widow...age 60
william...son...age 28...farmer/40 acres
ann...dau...age 14
charles...grandson...age 8..born bourtie
all born chapel of garioch unless stated otherwise.
now done with this thread
happy hunting
Joe
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This is all so particularly useful and I'm so happy that I have the brick wall knocked down. Thank you all so much for this pile of interesting information.
Cheers again,
Maggie
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hi ,iam looking for a geddes connection,my gggrandfather alexander geddes was born 1871 banff,his wife was mary ,daughters mary and jessie does any one has any info or related many thanks ,sally
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Hi Sally,
Although my great grandparents, John Geddes and Helen Spalding were married in 1871 in Banff, their son Alexander was born in 1893.
Unless one of John's brothers had a son named Alexander around 1871 this might be the only connection.
I haven't done much searching on John's siblings so I can't help you any further.
I will keep your info on hand in case anything pops up.
Good luck in your search.
Jim
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Hello Jimbo, I have been given details of Margaret Dow (ms Geddes). died 10 Sep 1855 age 76, parents Peter Geddes, seaman and Mary Sutherland. Their marriage in IGI 17 may 1775 Rathven, Banff Hope this helps.
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Hi Swimmer,
Great info. It's always good when you can come upon the exact dates.
Good work,
Jim
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Looking for info re James Geddes born about 1875 Fordyce, Banff ... married Helen Grant, lived in 43 New House Street Buckie, was Cabinet Maker ... in 1901 census, they had child Helen Geddes born 1899/1900. :) Happy New Year to all ;)
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Hi Denise,
My James Geddes was born Sept. 1877 in Fordyce. He was a Cabinetmaker by trade. He had 2 marriages. I don't have his first wife's name but he had 2 children Hellen and Jean. His second wife was Annabella Flett and they had 4 children, Alexander, George, Isabella, and Anne. James died Dec.19, 1922 at 35 High Street in Buckie.
James father was John Geddes who married Hellen Spalding. They had 11 children.
Does this info match up with yours ?
Jim
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Hi Jim
Thanks for your info. Your James Geddes could be the same one ... will need to try to get copies from registry etc. Will look into and keep you informed. Thanks again
Regards
Denise :)
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Hi to Jim and Debbie
I have come across this by chance but a huge coincidence.My grand dad was James Geddes(siblings George+Anne) from Banif born around 1899 and his son (marriage to Margret geddes ? Also his mum was a Margret geddes) Jimmy(Siblings- Alexander(sandy)Ian(Joe-Blondie)Cathrine(Cathy)) Geddes moved to Canada early 1950? His second marrage was to my gran Elizabeth Howie Children were Janet,Annette,Elizabeth Anne and Maureen Moved to Dunblame as a youngster and settled in Menstrie 1947 ish. Would be great if related as this was total chance.
Thanks from Another James McLean(Son of Annette).
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Hi James,
I can't put your James Geddes (1899) in my lineage as yet. My James born 1877 in Fordyce Banff did have some children by two marriages, as I've stated previously, but I don't have a confirmed son James born 1899. His son Alexander (Sandy) was born 1915 and died in North Africa in 1943.
Do you know who your Grandad James' parents were and their dates and places of birth?
The only Geddes I know that moved to Canada was my grandmother Jessie born 1882.
Jim
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Hi Jim I will try and find out more about my grandad He was born arround 1890.reply soon cheers James Mc
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Looking for info on the parents of JOHN GEDDES b. 1753 Banffshire who was married to ANN CHAPMAN b. 1760 Urquhart Moray.
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Hi all, I have a Margaret Geddes b. 1793; m. William Innes, d. 1875 , parents George Geddes and Helen Runcie.
Anyonr have info on this family? Thanks, Lance.
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First time posting. Can anyone verify this baptismal record and tell if this William Geddes migrated to the American colonies? He is thought to be William Gaddis of Hampshire Co, Virginia (now West Virginia) who died there in 1773.
Name: William Geddes
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 Sep 1718
Baptism Place: Boyndie, Banff, Scotland
Father: James Geddes
FHL Film Number: 990820
Baptism of this William Geddes' father
Name: James Geddes
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1668
Baptism Place: Elgin, Moray, Scotland
Father: Alex. Geddes
Mother: Janet Hamultoune
FHL Film Number: 990798, 990799
Baptism info of this William Geddes' mother:
Name: Margarit Jackson
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 12 May 1678
Baptism Place: Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: Patrik Jackson
Mother: Margarit Gemmell
FHL Film Number: 1066679
Reference ID: 2:182MP4T
Thanks.
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First, you can verify all three of these baptisms by viewing the original documents at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
What you cannot so easily verify is whether James Geddes and Margaret Jackson are the geuine parents of William Geddes. Do you have independent evidence to confirm this?
The problem is that by the time you get back to 1718, there are more and more gaps in the records. Record-keeping was poor and some records have been lost since then, so even if there is only one recorded person who might fit your ancestor, you cannot assume that this is the right person.
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James Gaddis,
The parentage of William Gaddis comes up, with the same claims repeated again and again without any supporting evidence, although it's the first time I've seen him being born in Boyndie. Has new evidence turned up? And there's another William Geddes bpt 13 Mar 1715 also in Boyndie, so why is one chosen over the other?
The most considered summing up I've seen is:
"This family was founded in Fayette county, Pennsylvania, by Robert, John, Henry, and Thomas Gaddis, sons of William Gaddis, who came from Apple Pie Ridge, near Winchester, Virginia, to Fayette county, about the year 1780. William Gaddis was of Irish parentage, and probably came to Frederick county, Virginia, with the Irish immigration of 1737-40; at all events he was a landholder in 1750, as transfers show. He married Priscilla, daughter of Henry Bowen, who survived him, and after her husband's death joined her children in Fayette county." - "Genealogical and Personal History of Fayette County Pennsylvania, Volumes I-II:".
The variation on Geddes of Gaddis seems to me to be always Irish based and never Scottish based.
However, re William Geddes bpt 4 Sep 1718: he was born in Blackpots, Boyndie to James Geddes & Anne Smith. Analysis of the OPR shows there were three contemporary family groups: John Geddes & Helen Hacket, James Geddes & Anne Smith, and William Geddes & Jean Smith.
I believe they were brothers. John Geddes ended up in Nether Dallachy farm and James Geddes in Upper Dallachy farm, implying they were by then farmers. William Geddes flitted around, implying he was a farm labourer. They seem to have their origins in Whitehills, maybe even Blackpots itself, and spread out into the hinterland. Blackpots in particular suggests seafolk connections, strengthened by witnesses being fisherfolk Watsons and Lovies in Whitehills, Boyndie
There's no evidence of emigration of anyone in these three families, although that's not to say it didn't happen. But there are one or two hints that some in these families moved to nearby Auchmore, with a William Geddes there in 1752 and later, who could be one of the two from Boyndie. With all these possibilities and uncertainties, it's more likely for Boyndie's William Geddes to have moved a couple of miles to Auchmore than a couple of thousand miles across the Atlantic. Unless there's evidence.
It's a poser for you James!
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Thanks for the link to ScotlandsPeople and thanks for the info on the William Geddes of Banff. Someone included the 1718 William Geddes (Gaddis) on their family tree in ancestry.com a few years ago and it has been picked up and copied to many family trees since then. I doubted the veracity of it but did not know how to check it until I just ran across RootsChat. Glad I did.