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hi i am trying to find the parents of john gilmore born 1851 manchester also susannah or susan williams born 1851 manchester thank you for your help mags.
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Hi
This is the only one I can see born 1851 on the 1861 census.
33 Piercy? St., Ancoats, Manchester
Thomas Gilmore 38, Bricklayer
Jane 32
Thomas 12
John J 10
William 8
Richard H 6
Mary J 4
Charles 2
George 5m
In same house but enumerated as seperate family
Mary Gilmore 66, widow
Elizabeth 33, dau, Dressmaker
All born Manchester
RG9/2936 Folio 40 Page 22
Will have a look at 1851.
Sheila
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hi shiela i no john gilmore when married to susannah williams lived 26 libby st openshaw lancashire thay had children thomas sarah e, richard, susan, and emma thanks mags.
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Hi again Mags
There is another John Gilmore b1850 on the 1851 census but with different parents. I cannot find him yet in 1861. Will have a good check and post later as it's a little confusing and I wouldn't want to mislead you.
I've edited my first post as I missed John J Gilmore off. ??? ???
Both the births are on familysearch.org
Sheila
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thanks shiela for helping hope to hear from you soon mags.
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This is what I found in total.
1851 - Broad Lane, Cheetham HO1072232 Folio 180 Page 36
Thomas Gilmore 27, Bricklayer
Jane C 27
Thomas 2
William J 1 m
no John J
1861 - As I gave you previously
1851 - Broad Lane, Cheetham H0107/2232 Folio 179 Page 34
John Gilmore 29, Bricklayer
Sarah 30
Emily 5
Thomas 3
John 1
All born Manchester
1861 - 15 Fawcett St., Ancoats
John Gilmore 39, Master Bricklayer
Alice 30 (transcribed as Hue)
Mary 4
Joseph 2
Edward 3m
All born Manchester
In 1861 I cannot find any of the children of John/Sarah from 1851.
Notice they are both living on the same road in 1851. I may be having a senior moment but it looks a bit strange to me. There are numerous births/christening on Family Search. Will have a look again later with a clear head.
Best regards ... Sheila
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thanks shielayou are being very helpfull mags.xx
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dont know if this could be your girl in 1861?
living in salford lancashire-
1 EDITH STREET
sarah williams 38yrs widow mangle keeper born paris,flintshire
susannah 10yrs daughter born manchester
samuel 6yrs son born salford
john henry 2yrs son born salford
SOURCE INFO-RG9-2924
FOLIO-112
PAGE-47
regards
alli
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could this be a possible for sarah and children in 1861??
living in manchester in 1861-
sarah gilmour 45yrs married dressmaker born manchester
william 8yrs son
thomas 14yrs son warehouse worker
emma 17yrs daughter cotton mill
john 10yrs
all born manchester
SOURCE INFO-RG9-2946
FOLIO-71
PAGE-6
regards
alli
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1871 - RG10/3978 Folio 63 Page 13
3 Agenorian Bldgs, Bridge St., Ardwick, Manchester
Living in the household of John Chester as lodgers.
Elizabeth Williams 49, widow, cotton spinner
Susan 21, Servant
John 11
William 7
All born Manchester
1851 - HO107/2228 Folio 414 Page 43
7 Stones Bldgs., Manchester
James Williams 57, Cotton Spinner
Susan 57
Eliza 28, dau, Unm
Susan 6m, g/daughter
All born Manchester
Can't see a match for these in 1861.
Sheila
PS - There is also a death on FreeBMD - Sarah Gilmore, Manchester Dec Q 1851. Think you are going to have to invest in John and Susan/Susannah's marriage cert to clarify John's fathers name.
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thanks allibaker for all your help mags.xx
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you are more than welcome ;D
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Hi Mags hi all
Mags it looks like we are researching the same Gilmores. I have a John James Gimore married to Susannah Williams. I have traced his parents back to Thomas Gilmore 1796 ish.
Please reply
Dee
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hi i will get what i have together and let you no what i have, if you send me your information of what you have i do hope this is a match it makes searching a lot better, i wil be waiting to hear from you luv mags----teddys xx
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Hi Mags
Ok John James Gilmore born c1851 in Manchester married Susannah William/s in 22 Sep 1878 Manchester, Gorton, St. James.
This is where I have him living on censuses
1861-33 Piercy Street, Manchester -
1871-1 Grimes Street, Manchester - boarder -Bricklayer
1881-26 Libby Street, Manchester - Bricklayer Builder
1891-4 Cathcart Street, Manchester - General Labourer
This is where I have her living in censuses when married.
1881-26 Libby Street, Manchester -
1891-4 Cathcart Street, Manchester -
1901-13 Raglan Street, Droylsden - Still married, not widow and Sarah, her daughter, now Thomas and married is living with her with her husband.
They had at least 8 children living with them born between 1872 and 1890 but I have a feeling that the first 4 were either born out of wedlock (unlikely) or they are not Susannah's. Hope this is useful and enlightens you.
Dee