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Title: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: mrk82 on Sunday 02 July 06 10:48 BST (UK)
Please could someone lookup Henry W Marris aged 24 Marylebone.

I am particularly interested in knowing Henry's occupation.

Many thanks

Marc
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: Necromancer on Sunday 02 July 06 10:56 BST (UK)
Looks like all those people were in a tailoring/drapery sweatshop in Little Portland St ...... the word could be Assistant - the enumerator has grouped people together and written DRAP next to them.

Previous page would support 'Drapers Assistant' ...

HTH
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: mrk82 on Sunday 02 July 06 11:02 BST (UK)
Might not be mine then - I'm looking for a policeman.

Please can you tell me where Henry was born and if he was married.

That way I can eliminate him from my list of possibles.

Thanks

Marc
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: Necromancer on Sunday 02 July 06 11:04 BST (UK)
single man, born Welshpool
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: mrk82 on Sunday 02 July 06 11:06 BST (UK)
ok thanks
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: Necromancer on Sunday 02 July 06 11:11 BST (UK)
happy to help search if you have more details ?

Marris is a great candidate for mistrans ..... if you have a rough idea of DoB and PoB or parents / area .... ?
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: mrk82 on Sunday 02 July 06 18:07 BST (UK)
That's very kind of you to offer.  Details as follows.

Henry Marris (21 - Shoe riveter) married Eliza Wilkins (24), March 1886, Wesleyan chapel, Derby.  Father John Marris (Gardener).

This would mean Henry is born approx 1864.  I have found Eliza with children on 1891 and 1901 census but no sign of Henry (Eliza is described as married i.e. not a widow), although Henry is deceased by the time his daughter marries in 1907.

Henry's occupation is variably shoe riveter, policeman on his children's birth certificates that I have.  On one of the birth certificates he is listed John Henry.

Thanks for your help with this.

Marc

Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: Necromancer on Sunday 02 July 06 22:28 BST (UK)
Hmmmm.

Only handle I got on him was in 1881, a Family called Mariess in Knighton Leicestershire. (just south of Leicester itself - so not that far from Derby....)

Father John - born in 1833, Wellesbourne - Warwickshire
Occupation - Gardener
Living in the Civil parish of Knighton in Leicestershire 
Stonygate Rd

RG11/3126 - Folio 59  Page 43

amongst other children* there is a John H. aged 15 - ie born in 1866, Staffs, Comberford - which I cant locate at present .... younger kids born after 1871, but I can find no trace of the family in 1871. Nor after a quick search in 1891 ... but see below ...

This is supported by a Birth Index entry in the Tamworth District: (altho Comberford isnt mentioned)

Births Mar 1866
~~~~~~~~~~
MARRIS  John H W    Tamworth  Vol6b Page367

*Younger kids - Matilda 9, Richard 7, George 4 and Frederick 2.

In 1861, Father John now stating aged 32, is a Widower with his parents in Wellesbourne - and he is a Gardener....

I think that this is his (2nd) marriage to the Sarah seen on the 1881 as his wife.

Marriages Jun 1863
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MARRIS  John    Leicester  Vol7a P309   
WESSON  Sarah Maria Mary     Leicester  Vol7a P309   


The census spelling of the surname isn't a mistran, so the marriage may not be the correct couple - but as you have found the spelling as Marris too ....

Where was Eliza in 1891/1901 - I had a quick look in 1891, but couldnt see her....
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: Necromancer on Sunday 02 July 06 22:55 BST (UK)
1891 John the Gardner - PoB misspelled, and surname now recorded Marris

John Marris - 60 ;  Weelingham, Warwickshire, England
 
Civil parish: Knighton 
RG12/2497 Folio 113  Page 19 

John H has of course gone (if we suspect its him that married in 1886.)

Frederick has become Edwin and John's older brother Thomas aged 26, a Joiner is there ... Mums christian name unreadable .. son George a Solicitors Clerk
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: Necromancer on Sunday 02 July 06 23:08 BST (UK)
John and Sarah are still in Knighton in 1901 - but no kids are left at home ..

RG13/3001 - Folio 79 Page 27

Stoneygate Rd - Gardeners Cottage !
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 03 July 06 12:13 BST (UK)
Now I've seen Eliza in 1901 - in Knighton, Leics - I'd say this was all looking good ...
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: mrk82 on Monday 03 July 06 20:00 BST (UK)
Wow you have been busy - plenty for me to be getting on with here.

You'll find Eliza in 1891 in Knighton only she's called Mary at this point for some unknown reason - children are Edith and Elisetreth (another mistrans I presume).

Thanks very much for your help with this.

Marc
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: Necromancer on Tuesday 04 July 06 09:24 BST (UK)
Yes, I think thats established Henry (John Henry's) lineage back to 1861 ..... pity that he's so successfully hidden himself in 1891/1901 !
Title: Re: 1891 Census London (Marylebone) Marris
Post by: mrk82 on Tuesday 04 July 06 21:54 BST (UK)
Yes and 1871 too.

I'll have a good look for his death maybe he'd died by 1891 despite Eliza describing herself as married as opposed to widowed.

Thanks once again for your help.

Marc