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Title: 1841 Census _Northumberland
Post by: juliefran on Saturday 01 July 06 03:19 BST (UK)

Hi All,
Just wondering if someone could do a look up for 1841 census in northumberland for John Tomkinson, wife Mary.Their son John born 1829 in Newcastle Upon Tyne.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Juliefran

Title: Re: 1841 Census _Northumberland
Post by: Helen K on Sunday 02 July 06 13:26 BST (UK)

Hi

There are two John TOMKINSON's born around 1829ish both residing Walker, Longbenton.

Parents of John Jones are Richard and Ann. 

Parents of John Jas are John and Elizabeth.

Both fathers are refiners of Iron and both families originate in Staffordshire.

I can't find any others anywhere near what you're after - are you certain they would be in Northumberland?

Do you have your family on later Census?  Sometimes it helps when searching for previous Census entries.

Regards

Helen K

Title: Re: 1841 Census _Northumberland
Post by: juliefran on Monday 03 July 06 01:27 BST (UK)

Hi Helen,
Thanks for that. I have a 1851 Census in the parish of Longbenton District Walker. His father is 22 and his mother 20.His dad is a refiner of iron (occupation)if that is any help to you.I am afraid I don't know much else, except he is born in 1829 and as we have it , it says Newcastle Upon Tyne.
We have nothing at all on his parents.
Regards,
Juliefran

Title: Re: 1841 Census _Northumberland
Post by: Helen K on Monday 03 July 06 18:26 BST (UK)

Hi

You've lost me now!  You asked for the 1841 Census entry for John Tomkinson born 1829 with parents John and Mary - no entry found, but an entry was found with parents John and Elizabeth.

You say you have the 1851 Census - his father is 22 and his mother 20 and John was born in 1829?!! Doesn't add up.

The 1851 Census has John TOMKINSON 22, Mary TOMKINSON 20 and son John TOMKINSON 6months.

I think you want the father John born 1829 found in 1841.

1841 Census
HO107/822/4  Folio 27  Page 4
Engine Street, Walker

John TOMKINSON 39 Refiner of Iron No (not born in County)
Elizabeth TOMKINSON 36 No
John Jas TOMKINSON 12 Refiner of Iron Ap No
William TOMKINSON 7 No
Sarah Ann TOMKINSON 5 Yes (born in County)
Elizabeth TOMKINSON 2 Yes
Sophia TOMKINSON 3m Yes
Maria TOMKINSON 3m Yes

This couple and family are living next to John, Mary and baby John in 1851.

Just a few doors away in 1841- may be a relative.

HO107/822/4  Folios 29&30  Pages 9&10
Chapple Street, Walker
Richard TOMKINSON 35 Refiner of Iron No
Ann TOMKINSON 34 No
John Jones TOMKINSON 12 Labourer Iron Works No

In 1851 this family are living a few doors away from the other two TOMKINSON families - so John Jones can't be yours as he's still living with his parents in 1851.

All three families came from Staffordshire.  John born 1829 and his father John were both born in Staffordshire according to the 1851 Census entries.  Only baby John born 1850 is recorded as being born in Northumberland, Walker.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Helen K 

Title: Re: 1841 Census _Northumberland
Post by: juliefran on Monday 03 July 06 23:25 BST (UK)

Hi Helen
Thank you, my apologies.Yes I am looking for John born 1829, now you have been able to tell me that he is born in Staffordshire, whereas we have it as Newcastle Upon Tyne.No wonder I am getting confused too.
Please bear with me now, now the parents of the John born in 1829 are John & Elizabeth with 6 children listed in the 1841 Census, am I correct now?
I am sorry, it is just that I have so many John Tomkinsons  am having trouble keeping up. However I certainly thank you and appreciate what you have been doing for me.
Regards
Juliefran

Title: Re: 1841 Census _Northumberland
Post by: Helen K on Wednesday 05 July 06 23:54 BST (UK)

Hi Juliefran

Yes, if you are certain the John TOMKINSON aged 22 years in the 1851 Census entry is yours - then the 1841 Census entry with parents John and Elizabeth is also yours.

John and Elizabeth (the parents) are living next to John, Mary and baby John in 1851.  If you want the details just let me know.

Regards

Helen K

Title: Re: 1841 Census _Northumberland
Post by: juliefran on Thursday 06 July 06 05:40 BST (UK)

Hi Helen,
Yes i am certain now that john is mine, and yes i would love to have the details, if you don't mind.
I would really appreciate it.
Thank you,
Regards,
Juliefran

Title: Re: 1841 Census _Northumberland
Post by: Helen K on Saturday 08 July 06 14:45 BST (UK)

Hi

Here's the 1851 census entry for John and Elizabeth (the parents).

HO107/2411  Folio 120  Page 33  Sch 109
164 Cambrian Row, Walker

TOMKINSON
John Head Mar 50 Refiner Iron Staffordshire Led???
Elizabeth Wife Mar 46 Birminghamshire
William Son U 16 Iron Refiner Billiston Stafford
Sarah Ann Daur U 14 Billiston Stafford
Elizabeth Daur 12 Scholar Northumd Walker
Mariah Daur 10 Scholar Northumd Walker
Richard Son 7 Scholar Northumd Walker
Elna Daur 5 Northumd Walker
Sophia Daur 2 Northumd Walker

Regards

Helen K

Title: Re: 1841 Census _Northumberland
Post by: juliefran on Sunday 09 July 06 02:12 BST (UK)

Hi Helen,

Thank you very much for that and your time, it has been a great help and I really do appreciate it very much.
Thanks again,Regards,
Juliefran