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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: gelpack on Saturday 01 July 06 01:34 BST (UK)
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Looking for any information on the following...
William ELLIOT (1796) married Isabel STEVENSON (1783) in 1812 - Southdean
James FAIRBAIRN married Ann WALKER in 1806 - Melrose
John SHIEL (1770) married Janet SCOTT (1774) in 1795
George TEMPLE (1771) married Isabella DAGLEASH (1762) in 1801 - Elsdon - lived in Camptown
Walter DAVIDSON (about 1790) married Elizabeth SCOTT (about 1790) in about 1820 ???
John FORSYTHE (1810) married Helen LEARMOND (1815) in 1842 - Stitchel
Any clues would be much appreciated
Eric Kershaw
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Hi Eric,
What kind of info are you looking for? I have some of those surnames in my tree - although no direct link that I can see at first glance. If I can be of any help, I'll do what I can :)
Cheers,
Clare
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Clare
Thanks for the reply.
I'm not sure what info to send.
Each of the names listed is as far back as I have managed to trace before coming to a stop.
Any info about individuals or families is what I'm after.
The reason I have come to a stop is because most of my work is done on the internet but, this becomes more difficult once you go back to the 18th century.
If you let me know what you need I'd be happy to send.
Regards
Eric
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Hi there,
Do you know if any of the couples that you listed have any children? This might help you try and work out the potential parents of the couples by way of the Scots naming pattern. Also, have you found them on any census records? 1841 onwards is available on Scotlands People, and there is some coverage on Freecen.
Also, did any of them libe until 1855 or beyond? If you can find death certificates for any of them, that may also help.
Cheers,
Clare
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Clare,
I've tried many various avenues without success.
I'll try one at a time.
John Elliot (1846) married Elizabeth Davidson (1847) in 1875 at Crailing
Johns siblings were Joseph (1832), Helen (1833), Margaret (1835) and Jane (1836)
Elizabeth had a sister Euphemia (1851)
John's father was George Elliot (about 1811) who married Isabel Fairbairn (about 1811) in 1830 at Crailing.
my puzzle is who was George's father.
George gives his age as 30 in the 1841 census.
There was a George Elliot christened in 1813 with parents William and Isabel Stevenson (married 1812)
There was also a George Elliot christened in 1806 with parents Joseph and Margaret Gray (married 1801)
The names Joseph and Margaret fit the family naming tradition but William and Isabel fit the dates better.
If you can help I would be very grateful.
If not I can send you lots of other unsolved puzzles.
Many thanks for your interest
Eric
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Hi there,
My gut reaction would be to go with the one that fits the naming pattern. I don't hold too much by ages given on census' as people are often hazy about their dates of birth. In addition, ages in the 1841 census were rounded to the nearest 5 years, so he may well have been 34, but they age rounded down.
I hope this helps a little.
Cheers,
Clare
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I got all excited about your Fairbairns - :)
But they are in the wrong county. :(
My Fairbairns were from FIFE. Sorry :o
BD
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Hello Eric,
John Forsythe and Helen Learmond are my Gr Gr Grandparents,can i help you ?
Margaret
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Hello Margaret
If they are the same then we may be related.
John Forsythe (b. 1810) married Helen Learmond (b.1815) in 1842.
Children
Ann (My Great Grandmother)
George, Janet, John, Mary, Agnes, Elizabeth and Helen.
I know nothing about John and Helen's parents - If you have anything I would love to hear from you.
Regards
Eric
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Hello Eric,
I have John's death cert Elizabeth b 1855 m and death certs here
Margaret
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Margaret,
Is Elizabeth your Gt Grandmother ?
Does John's death cert contain any useful information.
Whereabouts are you ?
I live in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire.
My mother was Annie Elliot, daughter of Joseph Elliot and Annie Temple.
Annie Temple was the daughter of James Shiel and Ann Forsythe.
Regards
Eric
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Eric
Elizabeth was my Gr Grandmother,it says on her b cert the 7th child,she married Robert Hope,there 1st child my grandad was b 1881,my certs arent to hand at the moment.
I live in Suffolk now,but was b in Jedburgh.
On Johns d cert it says he was a Sexton for Ancrum church,i can scan and e mail them to you if you like.
Margaret
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Margaret,
Our Gt Grandmothers were sisters.
I think that makes us 3rd cousins.
After 2 years of searching you are the first blood relative I have found.
I would be very grateful if you would let me have scans of any documents you have.
Do you have any info on the other 6 siblings ?
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Regards
Eric
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Eric,
Sorry i have'nt anything on any of them, other than Elizabeth and parents,l have been quite lucky i have had some finds,but i think im right in saying you are the closest yet,can you tell me how i can get them to you,im not very clued up on computer,i know how to scan and e mail tho,but i need an e mail addy.
Regards
Margaret.
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Margaret
e-mail
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Regards
Eric
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Hello Eric,
I have got them all here now so first one on its way!
Margaret
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Hi,
Not related, but a bit of info if you haven't got it.
1851 Ancrum Village, Causeway End.
John Forsyth Head Married 41 Labourer, Roadman Roxburgh, Hawick.
Helen Forsyth Wife Married 36 Laboure's Wife Roxburgh, Jedburgh.
Anne Forsyth Daughter 7 Scholar Roxburgh, Jedburgh.
George Forsyth Son 5 Scholar Roxburgh, Jedburgh.
Janet Forsyth Daughter 3 Roxburgh, Jedburgh.
John Forsyth Son 2 Roxburgh, Jedburgh.
M.I. Ancrum. ( Border family History Society 2000)
No.34 In memory of John Forsyth who died at Ancrum 23.3.1892. Also his wife Helen Learmond who died 12.3.1895? Also their daughter Mary Wilson who died -----.
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Becky
Many thanks.
I have the census but the M.I is new to me... where did you get it from ?
Regards
Eric
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Hi gelpack,
Get them from the Borders Family History Society as and when required, they are in book form and give a lot of details of the M.I.'s, cost £7 each but are worth it for the info.
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Becky
Many thanks
Eric
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Hi Beckey,
Thank you very much Beckey for this,i didnt know when Helen had died.
Also do your Robson's happen to be from Southdean area?
Thanks
Margaret
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Becky
Many thanks
Eric
some more info Eric!!!!!!
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Hi Margaret,
Only know of Elizabeth Robson born about 1797 at Kelso, mother Alice Dryden, father ? Robson. married a Robert Dickie about 1818
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Hi Beckey,
Bit further back than i have got at moment,the ones im looking for started in Eckford Crailing so not far from Kelso.
Margaret
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RE John Forsythe M. To. Helen Learmond,
Their Daughter
Agnes b. 1853 Married my ancestor David Keddie b. 1853
they married in Ancrum Manse Roxburgh on 30th December 1875
Just thought you would like to add this wee branch to your tree
;) :) ;D
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Hi,
Thank you very much,another twig on a branch!!! do you have anything on her parents?
regards
Margaret
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;D
Wow - this is turning into a clan gathering ;D ;D ;D
Excellent that you have all found a connection.
Pam
:)
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Hello,
Seems like it!!!! ive never had so much info!!!!! in such a short space of time since i started 3 yrs ago
Margaret
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Hello Marcam,
I asked as i have got pics of headstones (i only recieved yesterday) if you are interested.
Margaret
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Hi Margaret,
Sorry I dont have any more info on her parents John and Helen,
but if I find any I will let you know.
:) :D
and yes I would be interested to see the photographs, youwill have to excuse me as I only registered last night, so am new to this side of researching
Marcam
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Hello Marcam,
I have got quite a bit here if you would like it including pics of her parents headstones.
Margaret
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Eric,
way back up this chain was a bit about an Isabel FAIRBAIRN and a George ELLIOT.
I've a note that an Isabella ELLIOT, illiterate, was the informant for the death of her brother James FAIRBAIRN in Jun 1859 at Malt Barns, Kelso.
James was single, 42, the s/o John F. (farm serv - dec) and Helen ms DODDS (dec). Buried Churchyard of Kelso.
Is this the same one?
Not one of mine that I know of, just info I've collected along the way.
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LornaHen,
You're a star.
Yes, they are mine
I have very little info about the Fairbairn / Dodds side of the family and you have added a brilliant piece to the jig-saw
The Kelso connection may be a vital link to there origins
If you have any other info I would love to hear from you
Many thanks
Eric
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Hi Eric,
only the 1841 1851 and 1861 census transcripts from ancestry which show
1841 George/Isable living at Whitton, Morebattle with Joseph, Helen, Margaret, Jane and John
1851 George/Isabella living Ploughland Farm Crailing George 42 b Eckford, and Isabella 40 b Minto with Helen b Crailing; Margaret, Jane John and George all b Morebattle
1861 Isabella (no George) with Margaret, Jane and John. By 1861 Isabella thinks she was born Lilliesleaf.
The 1851 b Minto matches my guess at which was her brother James in 1851.
There's a James of the right age, born Minto, as a servant with James and Euphemia WALDIE at Linton Mill, Linton.
I take it you've confirmed that this is your Isabella FAIRBAIRN? She survived well into civil reg. so her dth cert should be available.
George however may well have died prior, sometime between 1851 and 1861, most likely at Crailing.
I'd go for the Joseph and Margaret as his parents if you can't find his dth cert to confirm it, an 1813 bap. sounds too late for this George, 1809ish Eckford.
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Hello LornaHen,
Yes, I'm certain they are mine.
Isabella died 27 Nov 1893 at Bowden (Parish) aged 83
Her parents were John FAIRBAIRN and Helen DODDS
But I've been unable to find find any other trace of them.
Your lead on James at Kelso might produce something new.
Many Thanks
Eric
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Hi Eric
I am rooting around in my Scottish side after far too long neglecting them :(
I have Shiel, Dagliesh & Stevenson fom Melrose area
James Shiel married Margaret Dagliesh 1846 (my gg grandparents) his brother John maried Isabella Dagliesh 1842
James and Margaets son Robert Shiel married Harriet Smith (my g grand parents) Harriets mothers maiden surname was Stevenson (Isabella)
was wondering if there is any connection ??
Cal 8)
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Hello Cal,
Nice to hear from you
I have a John and James Shiel
I also have an Isabella Dagleash and Isabella Stevenson but sadly the other names and dates don't fit so I don't think we are on the same line.
I'll keep it all in mind and if I discover anything I'll let you know
Regards
Eric
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Looking for any information on the following...
William ELLIOT (1796) married Isabel STEVENSON (1783) in 1812 - Southdean
James FAIRBAIRN married Ann WALKER in 1806 - Melrose
John SHIEL (1770) married Janet SCOTT (1774) in 1795 ...
John FORSYTHE (1810) married Helen LEARMOND (1815) in 1842 - Stitchel
Eric Kershaw
Eric,
A bit long after your posting, but better late than never.
Can't help with parents of those shown, but can add that Andrew FAIRBAIRN, son of James FAIRBAIRN and Ann WALKER died in Greenock, Renfrew in 1890 (married Marion FOREST), and was living in Portobello 1851-1871.
His age at death was 73, which is a tad out for the 1813 Andrew I had noted for this couple, but may be one and the same person, or a 3rd Andrew.
Always interested in Melrose connected FAIRBAIRNs, and have recently realised that one of my FAIRBAIRNs married a Joan FORSYTH, so your message caught my eye - again (I've just realised I added some info on a different line above!)
From naming pattern of the children for James and Ann that I know about, I'd expect his parents to be an Andrew and Isabel, but don't have any likely candidates in view for you.
For further FAIRBAIRN details (and others) check out my web pages
http://familytree.lornahen.com/
and the FAIRBAIRN Surname DNA project
http://worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/fairbairn/
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Hello Eric and all out there researching Elliots, Eliots or Ellots,
Just information on a web site about the Elliots of the Border.
This is called the Ellot Clan (Ellot is an old spelling of Elliot) and lists loads of Elliots - if you can work them all out. They have not got all the Elliots listed but have loads and some of the information is not quite right but it is a starting point for research.
http://home-2.tiscali.nl/~cb002201/ellot_clan.htm
If that doesn't work then google 'Ellot Clan'
Judy
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Hello Cal,
Nice to hear from you
I have a John and James Shiel
I also have an Isabella Dagleash and Isabella Stevenson but sadly the other names and dates don't fit so I don't think we are on the same line.
I'll keep it all in mind and if I discover anything I'll let you know
Regards
Eric
Getting back into my family history stuff again ... I will have a look and see what I have in the Shiel side ... most certainly I think we are linked some where with those names
Cal
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Also do your Robson's happen to be from Southdean area
Hi Margaret,
Saw your query above, my OH has 3 g grandparents Robson who where in Southdean.
Alexander Robson m Margaret Weir. They were both born and married in Oxnam (not far from Crailing) but were in Southdean in the 1841 and 1851 census. Have a bit of info if these names fit into your tree.
Terry
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Mis for Weirhill cemetery Melrose.
In loving memory of John Fairbairn ,Newstead who died 18-10-1882 aged 66yrs and of Christian KYLE his wife who died at Drygrange 7-5- 1862 also HELEN DODDS HIS WIFE who died 7-2-1893 aged 76yrs.
There are several fairbairns buried in Melrose Abbey as well.
All Mis available as said from Borders Family History soc.
Hope this helps