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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: habanero on Monday 26 June 06 21:07 BST (UK)
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I have a Harriet Buckland b. 1802 in Donyatt, Harriet married John Long, baker in Chard. I think her father is Joseph Buckland, Baker in Chard mother Elanor Harris, anyone have a baptism? I am wondering if there is a link with the Bucklands at Hornsbury Mill? , coincidently William Long is Gatekeeper at Hornsbury 1841???
Greatfull of any assistance
Toby
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Sorry, can't help on the BUCKLANDS of Donyatt but there appear to have been several bakers named LONG in Chard and Combe St Nicholas.
Do you have a likely birth year for John LONG? If circa 1803 he may be the son of William/Susannah, Miller & Baker of Wadford [CSN] whose son William junr aged 30 was recorded a Baker with wife Sarah 35 and children Amelia 6, Charles 3 and Simeon 2 at Old Chard in 1841. My interest is in their F-S Ann DEAN aged 12.
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Hi
John's birth is noted as 1803 at Combe St. Somerset, 1841, Finsbury, in 1851 he is in Little Charles Place in St.Pancras, 1861 he's in Finsbury - birth as being in Chard, again a baker, with Harriet.
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Hi Toby
William LONG (sgd) and Susannah FOLLETT (made her mark x) both otp were married at CSN by Banns on 06 Apr 1803 before witnesses William CRABB and Joan SPARK, who both provided signatures. [Joan DEAN had married James SPARK, Blacksmith, at CSN in 1784, so the LONG and DEAN families were associated for well over half a century when Ann DEAN appeared in the 1841 Census return of Wm LONG junr.]
I don't know the marital status of William LONG senr in 1803 as there is also a CSN marriage on 20 Nov 1796 to Ann MANSFIELD and they suffered an infant mort of son Wm in Mar 1799 and their 2nd[?] child Ann was bap 26 Jul 1801. There are no subsequent baptisms to Wm/Ann but neither have I traced burials for either Ann.
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there does seem to be a close connection there somewhere, do you have a baptism for John Long?
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CSN Baptisms of the issue of William & Susannah LONG of Wadford, Baker:
12 Jun 1803 John
06 Jan 1805 Mary
18 Mar 1810 William
07 Jun 1812 Amelia born 12 May 1812
20 Mar 1814 Hannah
14 Apr 1816 Simeon
05 Oct 1817 Elizabeth (private)
26 Sep 1819 Joshua
21 Oct 1821 Daniel
The last four children are still with the parents in 1841 + Ann aged 25 [possibly baptised Hannah?]
There is a CSN burial 31 Oct 1843 for 'Susan' LONG aged 63 of Wadford but I've not found a burial for William senr who was recorded aged 58 in 1841.
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He lived a long time! Died 1870 I think.. many thanks for your help-you are a star!
Toby
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It's a pleasure!
There is a burial at CSN on June 11th 1870 of a William LONG of Wadeford but on the PR microfiche his age appears as 8 years. However, the pen's flow of ink appears impaired on the 'y' of years, so it's possible a second digit [the '7' of 87?] has not reproduced in the filming.
FreeBMD gives an entry in Chard Registration District that Quarter of William LONG aged 87.
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Hi Toby,
I'm unsure if I can be of any further help! Like Dee-jay I strive to be an expert on the folks of Combe St Nicholas and I see that William Long 1782-1870 appears in my "Combe cousins-of-cousins" file. I have no blood connection, but if you were to contact me on jennydotdavis at zendotco dotuk I could put you in touch with at least one correspondant who is a direct descendant of William.
I believe William 1782 was s/o John & Susan nee Hockey.
In my studies of Combe folks and their descendants I have almost nothing on your John Long bc.1803. Nothing more than his baptism date, for which I have 12 Jun 1803, the same as given by Dee-jay. Perhaps you could fill-in some details of his family for me?
Cheers,
Jenny
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I am a direct of William Long. He was born in Membury, Devon according to the 1851 census. He was baptized Jan. 29, 1782, son of John and Susanah Long. I would like to believe that the marriage of John Long to Susanah Hockey in Chardstock on Dec. 12, 1768 was the correct marriage. However, the Membury parish records state Francis, son of John and Susanah Long, bp. July 14, 1765. I would appreciate any help regarding this problem.
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Hi
My partner too is descended from same William Long via his son John; we haven't got a marriage noted down for John and Susannah but may have it written down somewhere from visiting the records office. If it is 1768, then surely Francis could have been born out of wedlock, with his birth becoming legitimised by the marriage of John and Susannah? (There are gravestones at Combe St Nicholas for both John and Susannah and William and Susannah if that is of additional info for you.) If I come across our notes, I'll check to see if we noted anything down for a marriage!
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Thank-you for your recent reply. The Membury parish records at the Devon record office state: "Frances, son of John and Susanna Long bp. July 14, 1765." If they got married three years later, would the bp. record be recorded as such?
I was unaware that John and Susanna Long were buried at Combe St. Nicholas. Do you have dates and ages at the time of their burials?
John Long, 75 yrs, was buried Mar. 9, 1804 at Membury, Devon. I had assumed that he was the John Long, father of William Long. Obviously, I was wrong. Thank-you for your information.
There were two John Long's bp. at Membury, Devon about the same time. John, son of Robert Long, bp. Jan. 10, 1730, Membury, Devon and Jon, son of Simeon Long, bp. Jan. 30, 1730. I had assumed that John Long, son of Simeon Long, was the John Long buried at Membury. The John Long, son of Robert Long, must be the John Long buried at Membury.
I believe that the John Long, son of Simeon Long, was married to Susanna based on the following: John and Susanna Long were parents to William Long, bp. 1782. The third son of William and Susanna (Follett) Long was Simeon Long and William and Susanna (Follett) Long, who had 5 sons, did not name any of them Robert. I am descended from Simeon Long, bp. Apr. 14, 1816, Combe St. Nicholas, who married Mary Hurford Diment, Apr. 12, 1842 at Combe St. Nicholas.