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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Shropshire => England => Shropshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: suemuffy on Monday 26 June 06 14:53 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I would be grateful if someone could look up Beriah (Briar) Baugh born c1831.
There seem to be many records with this name on Family Search but different dates of birth and places of birth but all within a small range of years and I want to make sure I get the right one.
In the 1981 census Old Park, Shropshire is given as his place of birth but this is also Dawley I believe? Any help would be appreciated,
Thanks
Sue
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Hi Sue,
I can see at least 3!
1 age 10 at Dawley Magna Malenslee, adult in the household Elizabeth.
1 age 8 at Dawley Magna Malenslee, adults Richard and Jane
1 age 8 at Wellington, adults John and Rachel.
You'd need his marriage cert to establish parents :-\
Tanja :)
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Thanks Tanja, you see the confusion! The problem is I can't find a marriage either, his wife is Ann b. 1829 Old Park too.
Could you give me details of the one aged 10, please?
Sue
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Where have you searched for the marriage so far?
The complete indexes are currently free to search here
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=8965&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0
Tanja :)
I see their first child (according to 1871 was born ca. 1854) so you might look for a marriage ca. 1853.
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I didn't know about the earlier children who had left home by 1881 until just now. On Free BMD and Ancestry I have found a marriage for Boriah Baugh and Ann Amis or Ann Norrell in Jun 1854 in Wellington but no others.
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It might be useful to get hold of one of the children's birth certs to check Ann's maiden name...
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1841
HO107/904/9 14 20 & 21
Dawley Magna, Shropshire
Township of Malenslee
Elizabeth Baugh, 35, widow, yes (= born in county)
Elizabeth, 5, yes
Ann, 15, yes
Richard, 19, J colier, yes
William, 12, ditto, yes
Beriah, 10, ditto, yes
Hard to tell the relationships :-\
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Thanks Tanja.
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The children that appear with the mother Elizabeth in 1841 appear to be on the IGI (C006572) as the children of Elizabeth and William Baugh in Stirchley.
Richard and Ann (late baptism for Richard?)1825
William 1827
Sarah 1828
Beriah 1830
Elizabeth 1833 (died 1834)
Elizabeth 1835
William Baugh married Elizabeth Griffiths in Dawley Magna in 1821? (IGI M008591)
William Baugh was buried at Stirchley St James 7 Jun 1835 aged 35 (NBI)
or less likely but possible
William Baugh was buried at Malinslee St Leonard 30 Nov 1837 aged 45 (NBI)
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Thanks alnat for putting in the time to look up those.
Well that's sorted, there is only one Beriah left from the 1841 census, that's the son of Richard and Jane born c1833. Although I can't find his birth or christening and he is too young. There is a Beriah born Dawley to Richard and Letitia christened Sept 1831 and he is the most likely.
According to a pedigree on LDS, Beriah, son of John and Rachel, born Old Park, Dawley emigrated with his family to the USA where his parents both died within a couple of years. His year of death is shown as 1907 in Utah.
I now think it unlkely that this Stirchley one is my Beriah as the place of birth would have been Stirchley not Old Park, although not too far it is definitely not Old Park, Dawley. I think it may be worth checking later censii.
Sue
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1851 for the 'William and Elizabeth' Beriah, Dark Lane Row, Dawley
Elizabeth Baugh Head widow 49 born High Carell (Ercall?)
Sarah Baugh dau 22 Furnace Work born Stirchley
Beriah Baugh son 20 Collier born Dawley
Elizabeth Baugh dau Stone Mining born Dawley
So Beriah's birthplace is now Dawley!
1851 also at Dark Lane Row, Dawley
Richard Baugh Head 60 labourer born Dawley
Jane Baugh 50 Wife born Wellington
Beriah Baugh son 20 Stone Miner born Dawley
Emma Baugh dau 14 born Dawley
William Bailey son 20 coal miner born Dawley
The son with a different surname would suggest Ann was Richard's second wife.
There's a death of a Letitia Baugh aged 48, 13 Dec 1836 St Leonard Malinslee (NBI) so I would think this Beriah could be the son of Richard and Letitia. There's a marriage of Richard Baugh to Letitia Bailey 19 May 1816 (IGI M008591)
IGI (although only a member submitted record) has the baptism of a William Bailey, 6 Mar 1831 at Dawley. Parents were William Bailey and Jane (Corfield).
A William Bailey was buried at Holy Trinity, Dawley 19 June 1833 aged 32.
Maybe William Bailey senior was related to Letitia? Her brother? Richard Baugh may have married his sister-in-law Jane after they were both widowed?
Letitia Bailey (baptised 21 Jan 1790 per IGI) did have a brother called Beriah (bap. 23 Sep 1787) so this explains where the name came from.
Apologies if this has left you even more confused, get some certs ordered and then I can stop guessing LOL.
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1861 at 85 Dark Lane Row
Beriah Baugh Head 29 coal Miner born Dawley
Ann Baugh Wife 31 born Dawley
Isiah son 6 born Dawley
Jane C 2 dau born Dawley
John H 5 months son born Dawley
Next door neighbour at number 84 is William Bailey 30, now married to a Mary A, with 3 children.
1861 78 Dark Lane Row
Beriah Baughn 30 Lodger miner born Dawley
Sarah Baughn 24 Wife born Dawley
William Baughn 10 months son born Dawley
Richard Baugh 69 and Jane Baugh 59 are living at number 59 Dark Lane Row, all their children have left home. They are now both born Dawley and are paupers.
Sorry but I can't find Elizabeth Baugh on the Census or find a possible death for her either.
Also found Beriah Baugh marriage, Mar 1851 Q Wellington 18 235. Possible partner was Sarah Ann BAILEY. The plot thickens...........................
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Thank you so much alnat!
It will take me a while to digest this, I had the wrong Richard married to Letitia.
Interestingly, Rachel as per my last post (married John and went to the USA) was also a Bailey!
By the way, that's not the first Beriah, I have a Beriah Botevyl/Botfield born 1703 whose sister Agnes marries William Baugh in 1728 and they then use the name for their third son in 1741, the "original " Beriah Baugh!
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Beriah at 85 Dark Lane is the one I am interested in, John H aged 5 months in 1861 was my great-grandfather.
I assume you mean Jane rather than Ann was Richards seond wife.
Beriah was born to Richard and Letitia ch.18th Sep 1831 Dawley Magna, that's where I started this post as I have two Beriahs born within a year living in the same row of cottages!
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Alnat, I think you may have supplied the missing link!
That family living at 78 Dark Row is possibly the missing Beriah Baugh and wife Sarah (nee Willis)with son William, I have checked and there are no Beriah Baughns that I can find or even a family of that name. I really think that this is the one I have been looking for but I don't know where they go to after this.
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Hello! I know I am somewhat late in joining the discussion, but I have been researching my partner John's family tree, and he and his mum Maureen are also decended from John H Baugh!
John and Mary Ann Baugh's daughter Annie married David Simmons (lodging with them in the 1901 census) and then moved to the Hemsworth area (West Yorkshire - specifically South Elmsall - in fact Maureen still lives in the area). David and Annie's son William (Bill) was Maureen's father and John's grandfather.
John H Baugh's parents were Brian/Beriah (born c1831 in Shropshire) and Mary Ann (born c1830 in Dawley Parish). I think that Mary Ann's maiden name was Kenny/Kenney and she was the daughter of Thomas and Ann, who came from Galway. I'm still slightly puzzled as to who Beriah was decended from though (sounds like you've had the same problem!). Any further information would be gratefully received. I'm not sure what relation you would be to John and Maureen, but thought I'd find out! I tried to send a message to you but I wasn't able to and wasn't sure if it was the 'done thing' anyway (I'm new to all this - this is the first post I've made on here).
Hope to hear from you soon,
All the best,
Jenny Twomey, on behalf of John and Maureen Cocksedge
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Hi Jenny,
Welcome to the forum, four years is a long time but not when we are going back hundreds!
The folk on here are very knowledgeable and have a good eye for spotting possible matches, I am sure you will find it invaluable.
I think you will find John H's parents were born later, John 1860 and Mary Ann c 1863 though I cannot find any record that matches her.
I have also sent you a PM.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for the PM. I have written a reply to you, but I can't send it as I need to make a minimum of 3 posts on here - this is my 2nd! I will add another post after this one, with details of how I found Mary Ann Kenny, in the hope that it will 'unlock' my messaging status.
All the best,
Jenny
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I found John H's marriage to Mary Kenny on FreeBMD (limited search to all marriages in the uk between John Baugh's and Mary's (only 2 in the West Midlands - one in Wolverhampton who was a Mary Jane anyway, and the correct one in Walsall in December 1881). It also gives his middle name as Henry. I have also found the record on Ancestry (limited search to Walsall this time and found all marriages of John Baughs between 1870-1890 and none of the other records - 5 in total - matched).
I then tried to look for a census return in 1871 in walsall for a Mary Kenny who was born c1863 in Walsall. There was only one (born c1864). Her father Thomas was a labourer from Galway. Mary Ann was 7 on the 1871 census, but I have traced the family on the 1861 census also but no further than that. It's likely that they came over in the 1840s/1850s, along with many others fleeing the potato famine. I had wondered if there was an Irish connection somewhere, as Maureen (my partner John's mum) had said previously that her grandmother Annie Baugh (later Simmons) had spoken of one, although she had thought that it related to Annie herself. I am happy to send you copies of the census returns. I can send a copy of the marriage record too, although it doesn't give much information - I haven't ordered the certificate yet.
I will now try to send you the message I prepared earlier!
Jenny
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Just realised that in my first post I referred to Beriah's wife as Mary Ann - I meant Ann. Mary Ann was of course John H's wife!
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sorry this is a rather belated reply several years later! I came upon this randomly when looking for something else! However it looks like the same Baughs are in my family tree. Elizabeth Baugh (nee Griffiths) b High Ercall in the 1851 census:
1851 census Dark Lane Row Dawley
Elizabeth Baugh head wid 49 b High Ercall. Sarah Baugh dau 22 furnace work (coal) b Stirchley ..Beriah Baugh son 20 collier b Dawley. ELizabeth Baugh dau 15 stone mining b Dawley.
Is my gggg grandmother.
She was married to William Baugh and had as far as I know 6 children the eldest being Richard Baugh b abt 1822 There was a younger son Beriah b abt 1830, which is the one you were tracing. I think their marriage may be the following:
extract from parish registers - Stemmata Botevilliana - 1821 May 7 marriage of William Baugh and Elizabeth Griffiths.
Richard Baugh married Sarah Smart on 14 July 1844 and had one son John Ellis Baugh my gg grandfather. I think both Richard and Sarah died before the 1851 census as they have proved untraceable - I know that John Ellis Baugh lived with uncle and then grandmother when young. He is living with Sarah Baugh (nee Griffiths) in 1861 in Dark Lane aged 12.
I have only recently identified the Sarah Baugh in the 1851 census above as the correct mother of Richard, the 1861 census helped to prove that, I have had to be careful as there were two Richard and Sarah Baughs of about a similar age living in the same area, same occupation! (The other Sarah's maiden name was Blackmore) This second Richard and Sarah are the ones in the 1851 census:
Colliers Row Dawley parish Malins Lee
Richard Baugh head 33 collier b Dawley. Sarah Baugh wife 31 b Dawley. Enoch Baugh son 10 collier b Dawley Beriah Baugh son collier 8 b Dawley Ann Baugh dau 1 b Dawley.
Its easy to mix the families up and get totally confused due to the similar names and my Richard and Sarah disappearing off the face of the earth! It took quite a while to untangle it all.
This family may well be connected as Beriah keeps cropping up!! However I dont know how as yet. As you have found out there are loads of Baughs in this small area, I havent yet found a definite connection with others.
I unfortunately know nothing of Beriah except what I have found in the census returns. However it is exciting to find a connection 'out there' as I have not found anything before.
If this reaches you I would love to get in touch and share further.
Best wishes
Rachel
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Hi Rachel,
Yes, we are still here. Most of what you have mentioned I already have in my tree. You are right that it is very confusing with all the Baughs taking family names and many, many families in the same village. I actually went to Dawley in the summer but was very disappointed as there is so little left. I am sure you will be interested to see a video as it shows you Dark Lane and the miners cottages in the 1960's before they were all swept away for Telford New Town (search on Youtube) The end of the lane is still there but all the cottages have gone, however the ruin of Malinslee chapel was saved and rebuilt in the Town Park
I am curious about your connection with John Ellis Baugh as he married Rhoda Taylor and moved to Prescot in Lancashire near to where I live. His wife and 2 infants are buried in St Mary the Virgin in the town. He remarried Rebecca, a woman from Dawley (older than him) but I can find no children from that marriage and after she dies in 1900 he seems to be with a woman called Ellen whom he marries in 1903. He died in Prescot in 1930. Does your family come from this later marriage?
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wow thanks for such a great reply!
Yes I have quite a bit of information about John Ellis Baugh as he is my direct ancestor and my connection to the Baughs. In fact he is my gg grandfather. These are my notes on him on my tree: however I cant copy and paste them and dont have an option to attach them for some reason. PM me and I can send them separately by email. Theres too much to type in all over again.
He had two surviving children, the daughter Edith Emily is my g grandmother on my mothers side and the family comes from Prescot although mum lives in Derbyshire. How are you connected? Is it via the Beriah Baugh that you were looking for all those years ago?
I am interested about the two infants you mention buried in the churchyard. I know there was a child died about the same time as Rhoda also named John Ellis Baugh - tragically died of TB of the stomach - commonly caught from drinking unpasturised cows milk. I guess as his mother was so ill at the time she couldn't feed the baby herself. She died of TB two weeks after the baby was born who also died at two months old. JEB saw a lot of tragedy in his life, personal life and life as a miner. There was a big mining accident in Pelsall colliery about the time they were living there, and mining accidents werent uncommon then anyway. I dont know about the other infant. Although my mother recalls being told that JEB and Rhoda had several children that didnt survive, however we dont know any more than that passed down through the family.
Yes I have seen the film on youtube about Dark Lane, absolutely fascinating. I also ordered a book called Dark Lane the forgotten village, theres a rootschat thread about it.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Rachel