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Hi! I am trying to verify some information on the IGI that was submitted by a LDS Church Member. I was hoping that someone might have access to the parish records for Wooten Courtney or Williton and could check for John Pugsley born about 1781; father of John is Richard Pugsley (taken from John's marriage registration in 1837). Richard was a farmer. If someone could check this for me, I would appreciate it. I found some data on the IGI but I would really like to confirm that it is the right JOHN PUGSLEY (it is a very common name!!). Many thanks! Rhondda
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Hi Rhondda, I believe I have done look ups for you before.I have the Parish registers for Wooten Courtney, Selworthy, Cutcombe, Stoke Pero and Luccombe. There is no baptism for John in Wootton Courtney around 1781 but there is one in the Cutcombe registers for a John baptised 2 Mar 1785 son of Richard and Joney(could be Joan). There are many entries for the Pugsleys in Cutcombe, Selworthy Luccombe and Wootton Let me know if you need any other searches doing. TrevorPaul
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Just for your further information there is a John PUGSLEY baptised on 18 Nov 1781 at Cutcombe but he is son of John and Elizabeth. About the same time there is a couple called Richard and Joan PUGSLEY having children baptised in cutcombe. TrevorPaul
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Hi TrevorPaul, I would love your help with my Pugsleys. Yes you did help me before with them too. I received copies of the marriage registry for John Pugsley and Elizabeth Adams for November 17, 1837. They had both been widow/ers at the time of this marriage. Elizabeth's maiden name was White (parents were Robert and Ann).
My Pugsleys; however, come from John's first wife Elizabeth Pasmore. I have not found her parents yet. Also I have not been able to locate the family in the 1841 census. Elizabeth (Pasmore) Pugsley passed away on November 22, 1843 in Cutcombe, Dunster, Williton, Somerset, England.
The children I have listed for John and Elizabeth #1 were:
George (1800)
Charlotte (1804)
Harriet (1806)
James (1817)
Hannah (1819)
Fanny (1822)
My line stems from Hannah Pugsley who had the illegitimate son James Pugsley on September 22, 1842, in Wooten Courtney, Somerset, England. I received his birth registry and the father space was left blank by Hannah.
Hannah married Joseph Poole and I have our family tree from there on forward.
So....on John Pugsley and Elizabeth #2's marriage registry, John indicated his father was Richard Pugsley. I typed the information in the IGI and came up with a possible match of Richard Pugsley and Ellen who had a son named John around 1785 in Cutcombe, Somerset.
I also located a possible match for Richard's parents, on the IGI, as Samuel and Elizabeth, both of Cutcombe.
Here is my basic understanding of the tree information. If you have spare time and would like to help me with some dates, etc. I would be very grateful. :)
Samuel Pugsley (b. 1720 Cutcombe, married before 1741 Cutcombe, d. after 1757 Cutcombe) married
Elizabeth (b. 1720 Cutcombe, d. after 1757 Cutcombe)
Children (all born Cutcombe):
Ann (1741)
Joan (1744)
John (1746)
Samuel (1748)
William (1750)
Richard (1752) **
Thomas (1757- July 23, 1826)
I would be interested in any of their spouses/children if available too to try to find relatives of my line that may still be alive today if you come across them in your search. It looks like someone might come from the 'Thomas line' as his death date was included in the IGI information.
Richard (1752 - 1831 Cutcombe):
Married to Joan (b 1755 Cutcombe) on March 27, 1779 (IGI data)
Children:
Richard (1783-1852), Joan (1797), Elizabeth (1800), Mary (1795), Robert (1787), George (1793-1832), James (1791-1842), Samuel (1788-1855), John ****(1785-1859), William (1781-1849), Thomas (1779-1855).
Then John who married the two Elizabeths.
Hope this wasn't too confusing!
Truly,
Rhondda
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Hi Rhondda I've received your message and i have started to gather the information you require. There is a fair bit but I have most of it written down. I wil finish it tomorrow and send it to you sometime in the morning; time permitting. Regards TrevorPaul
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Hi Rhonnda, I have some information for you. Check it and let me know if it appears alright. Let me know if you need anything else. I have tried to put it down in the order you sent it.
Johns first wife Elizabeth PASMORE they married on 15 Oct 1799 at Wootten Courtney. Elizabeth was bap. on 10 Aug 1779, parents William and Elizabeth. I cannot see a marriage in W/C for them. The children you listed for John and Elizabeth were bap. as follows: George 23 Beb 1800, Charlotte 6 Jan 1804, Harriet 6 Jul 1806, James 5 MFr 1817( 11yr gap between baptisms and no burials?), Hannah 17 Jul 1819 and Fanny 10 Mar 1822.
I cannot confirm Hannahs illegitamate child as my records stop in 1837.
John PUGSLEY father is shown as Richard and he is shown as marrying Joney(Joan) VENN on 27 Mar 1779 at Cutcombe. Richards parents are Samuel and Elizabeth( LYDSON/LIDSON) and they were married on 15 Jul 1740. Richard was bap on 5 Oct 1754 at Cutcombe. I will detail the other Siblings later
I cannot find Samuel PUGSLEYS bap but his burial is 3 Dec 1758. No trace of Elizabeths bap but she was buried 2 Sep 1792.
Baptisms for their children at Cutcombe: Ann 14 Mar 1741 buried 22 Nov 1741, Joan ...Jul 1744, John 27 Apr 1746, Samuel 10 Jul 1748, William 24 Mar 1751( not 1750)
Richard 5 Oct 1754 buried 4 Dec 1831 age 79 and Thomas 11 Sept 1757 buried 23 Jul 1826, age given as 69yrs.
These are the spouses and children of Samuel and Elizabeth:
Joan Pugsley married Thomas POPE( my mother is a POPE) on 29 Oct 1768 at Cutcombe children John POPE bap on 9 Sep 1769, Elizabeth 28 Mar 1772, Mary 13 May 1775, William ... Jul 1779, Thomas 25 Nov 1781, Betty ... Aug 1785 and James 20 Aug 1788.
John Pugsley married Elizabeth QUARTLEY on 2 Apr 1776. Witnesses Richard ADAMS and George BENNETT, Children: Mary 2 Mar 1778, Joan 6 Jun 1779, John 18 Nov 1781, Betty 28 Mar 1784, Fanny 4 Feb 1787 James 7 Nov 1790 and Thomas 4 May 1794.
Samuel PUGSLEY married Ann BENNETT on 23 Aug 1777, witnesses George BENNETT and Jn SIDERFIN, Children Betty 26 Dec 1777(shotgun wedding??), Samuel 30 Apr 1780, Ann 25 Jun 1786, Thomas 20 Jan 1789 and Isabella 30 Dec 1792.
Richard PUGSLEY married Joan VENN on 27 Mar 1779 witnessed by Richard GULD and Jn SiDERFIN, children: Thomas 16 Jul 1779, William 8 Apr 1781, Richard 18 Feb 1783, Robert 15 Apr 1787, Samuel 1 Feb 1789, James 8 May 1791, George 24 Feb 1793, Mary 19 Apr 1795, Joan 14 Aug 1797 and Elizabeth 11 May 1800. A very productive marriage.
Thomas PUGSLEY married Jane ADAMS on 27 Mar 1797 witnessed by John ADAMS and James WIDLAKE. Children Mary 10 June 1797 and Elizabeth 20 Jul 1806. This is a strange one because he is 40yrs when married but the only Jane ADAMS I can find was baptised in 1773.
I can find no more children for this couple.
In respect of Joan VENN I cannot find a baptism record for her but some records are missing from about the relevant time ie 1760. But around this time a woman called Elizabeth VENN was baptising a few illigitamate children.
Have a look at this information and let me know if you need anything else. Regards TREVOR
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Hi Trevor, Thank you so very much! That information is amazing. My Nana is going to be so excited! Thank you again, Truly Rhondda
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Hi all
I'm a descendant of Samuel and Elizabeth Pugsley (via John/Thomas/Jane....who then married James Griffiths of Dunster.) Anyone know what happened before Sam 'n Liz?
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Hi Sprout, Have you seen my topic reply regarding the PUGSLEY family dated 30 June 2006 to Rhonnda. Unfortunately I cannot find any record of Samuel or Elizabeth before the dates I have previously given. I do hold some transcripts of Parish registers( between 1598 and 1837/8) for Wootton Courtney, Selworthy, Cutcombe, Stoke Pero and Luccombe, if you need any info from them. Let me know. Regards TrevorPaul.
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Thanks for that TrevorPaul. I went to Cutcombe Church a few weeks ago - a very wild and isolated churchyard! Think I found a Geoffrey Pugsley(?)
To be honest my most ernest mission is to trace back through the Griffiths of Dunster - got stuck at Samuel b:1741 (married Elizabeth Craze!) Any pointers?
Sprout
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Sorry, I can't help you with the DUNSTER side of things. I can only help with the Parish registers I have quoted. Regards TrevorPaul.
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Hi Trevor, I was hoping you could check one record for me please. I believe I have the wrong death/burial information for Elizabeth Pugsley (nee Pasmore). I believe she died before the 1841 census. I had her death as after the 1841 census but this doesn't make sense with the marriage information for John and his second wife Elizabeth Adams (nee White) who I have as married 17 Nov 1837 in Tampford Brett, Somerset.
So I was hoping you wouldn't mind checking for me for a death pre 1837 for Elizabeth Pugsley (nee Pasmore).
I linked this to the previous search you did for me so hopefully this will provide the information you need to take a look.
John Pugsley born about 1785, Cutcombe, Somerset (parents were Richard and Joan (Venn)). Married Elizabeth Pasmore 15 Oct 1799 in Wootton Courtney, Somerset and had 6 children that we know of (details are in the email lower in this line). His second wife, also named Elizabeth (widowed surname Adams, maiden name White) was the one who he married in 17 Nov 1837.
I have her parents as Robert and Ann but I think her mother's name was Sarah as I believe I have located her separately in the 1851 census with her mother who is a widow. If you could take a quick peak for her baptism too I'd appreciate your help!
If I could request one further item it would be if you were able to locate the deaths for William and Elizabeth Pasmore (Elizabeth's parents).
In the previous response you had indicated "Johns first wife Elizabeth PASMORE they married on 15 Oct 1799 at Wootten Courtney. Elizabeth was bap. on 10 Aug 1779, parents William and Elizabeth. I cannot see a marriage in W/C for them."
I was hoping you might be able to check deaths? Or burials as I can not find anything for them in the IGI.
Many thanks,
Rhondda
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Hi Rhonnda, Firstly my transcribed parish records only go up the start of civil registration in 1837. I have checked my records prior to this date and can find no entry relating to a burial for Elizabeth Pugsley. I have checked the death entries on the GRO records and there is a death recorded at Taunton for an Elizabeth PUGSLEY in the March quarter of 1839. Could this be yours. Obviously if you thought it is you could request the death certificate from Southport to try and confirm it.
I'm not entirely sure from your message what details you want ie whose parents are Robert and Ann -Elizabeth Pasmore or Elizabeth Adams/White. Could you clarify please.
I have located a burial for an Elizabeth PASMORE at Wootton Courtenay on 2 Jan 1825 aged 84yrs and one for a William PASMORE on 25 Aug, 1811 aged 74yrs at the same place.
I have checked all my parish registers for the marriage of William to Elizabeth without result. If you get back to me clarifying the other points I will see what I have- or if you need anything else checking. Regards Trevor
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Hi Trevor, Thank you :o) It was Elizabeth Pasmore btw. I appreciate your help looking into this for me.
Truly, Rhondda
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Hi Rhondda, I have checked the Wootten Courtenay parish registers and there is a baptism for Elizabeth PASMORE on 10 August 1779 parents William and Elizabeth but I believe I've already told you this. I cannot find a marriage for William and Elizabeth. I'm not sure if that's what you wanted. If not get back to me. Regards Trevor
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Hi Trevor, Ok, I reread my email and it is confusing. It even confused me when I went back the first time to answer your question...
I'm sorry!!!
Here is what I meant to ask...can you check for a baptism for Elizabeth White - daughter of Robert and Ann (or Robert and Sarah- Sarah could be Robert's second wife as I found her in the 1851 census with Elizabeth and she was listed as Elizabeth's mother).
Also a marriage for Elizabeth White to ? Adams...pre 1837 as well. Then his death as he would have died pre 1837.
And finally the marriage and deaths of Robert and Ann White...assumming that Ann is not actually 'Sarah' in the 1851 census.
Thanks so much :o)
Rhondda
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Hi Rhondda, I've checked for the information you require in all the Parish records in my possession, which includes Wootton Courteney, Luccombe, Selworthy, Cutcombe and Stoke Pero, and unfortuntely have nothing. There is one entry in the Luccombe register which may or may not be of interest. Baptism on 9 Nov 1824, Mary and Elizabeth WHITE twin daughters of Robert and Elizabeth WHITE, (labourer)
There are a lot of Adams and PUGSLEYS in the Cutcombe registers, but not any that you have mentioned. If you require anything further .. let me know. Regards Trevor
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Thanks for your help Trevor,
Rhondda
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Hi Rhondda,
I have recently found your interest in John Pugsley of Wootton Courtenay on these pages, going back several years.
I am a descendant of Hannah Pugsley through her illegitimate son James.
I had thought that John was the son of John born 1746 to Samuel but it seems that you have a copy of the wedding of John to Elizabeth Pasmore where it says his father was in fact Richard born 1752.
Some correspondence you were having several years ago seemed to have missed some of the children of John and Elisabeth; I think I have found 9 children of theirs.
I am also interested in the second wife of John, as during the 1861 census she might have been living with Hannah, my g-g-grandmother.
Because all my ancestors had so many children, I usually only work on my direct ancestors, that has given me enough to do.
It would be nice to exchange some information
Elaine 63
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Hi Trevor Paul - do you still do look ups of these Parish registers? I know that these posts go back about 5 years
I am also related to the Pugsleys and I am also stuck in a few places. I can't go back further than Samuel Pugsley and Elizabeth Lydson.
I was wondering if you were able to check for a birth of either thes two - I think that they could have been born abt 1720 Cutcombe, although someone on ancestry has Samuel's birth as 1711 in Elworthy, Somerset.
Do you have access to the Brompton Regis records?
It has been great reading through this thread, thanks for all the useful info :)
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Hi Rebecca, I don't know how certain you are of the ages of Samuel and Elizabeth as I have found a Samuel PUGSLEY as baptised on 5 November 1732 son of Richard and Jane at Cutcombe. I have also found a baptism for a daughter to William and Ann LIDSON, on 13 April 1742. Unfortunately the first name is missing and this is how the surname has been transcribed. . There are no other baptisms for LIDSON/LYDSON in the CUTCOMBE register. However, there is a marriage for William LYDSON and Ann BENNETT on 23 December 1739. Is this yours because if it is it more or less verifies the baptism for you. There is also a burial for a William LYDSON on 3 May 1752 at Cutcombe. This is a very rare name in the registers so there is a good chance this one is yours. I cannot find any further info on the marriage of Richard and Jane PUGSLEY. Hope this helps. I have the following registers, CUTCOMBE, SELWORTHY, LUCCOMBE, WOOTTON COURTENAY and STOKE PERO. If you enter this link (at end of this message) into your browser address bar it takes to a site with many other Somerset Parish registers. Once on the site click on Parish registers. If you need anything else let me know. Regards Trevor http://www.wsom.org.uk
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Hi Trevor,
Thankyou for the reply and doing the lookup for me.
It looks like Samuel & Elizabeths first child was born 1741 - so both of those births are too early. Perhaps, they moved to Cutcombe?
Thanks for the link, I will check that out now :)
ETA: I just looked at the Elworthy registers for the birth of Samuel Pugsley and there is one born 1711, with only the father, John listed. It looks like there are a few Pugsleys in Elworthy too, so perhaps that's where they originated from. I will look for Elizabeths birth there too.