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Kaye (nee Bashford) was born in Woodingdean. Brighton (20 Jan 1943) and I have been trying to source her family tree with little luck at the moment.
Her father NOWELL ROYSTON REX BASHFORD b 17-12-1912 in Steyning.
Siblings:
Iris
John Eric b 25-1-1908 in Steyning.
Brenda b 1916
Donald
Roland
Her father Rex married Constance Lottie Smith (b 6 Mar 1915) on 21 May 1941 in Brighton.
I believe her Grandfather John was born c1882 in Brighton, and we know that he married Rosa Ellen Hawes (b-1878) in 1905.
However I am stuck on getting any info on her Grandfather John, and therefore can go no further back in time..
can anyone help with any Information on this family ?
I have come up with nothing more than what is posted here .
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Hi
Found this in the 1901 census.
27 Whichels Place
All born Brighton
Albert Bashford, head, age 49, plumber journeyman
Jane, wife, age 47
George, son, age 24, plumbers labourer
Emily, dau, age 16
John, son, age 18, errand boy
Alice, dau, age 8
Percy, son, age 5
RG13 924
folio 149 page 17
Brighton, Sussex
You could confirm that this is the right one by obtaining Johns marriage certificate. I couldnt see any other John's of the right age in Brighton. I will take a look at the 1891 and see what I can find for you.
Nicky
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Hi
Found his birith registration and also the 1891 census
John Bashford
December quarter 1884
District of Brighton
Vol 2b Page 274
I searched from 1881 onwards and there was not another John born Brighton.
This age also fits with the following 1891 census
1891 census
18 Little Russel St
All born Brighton
Albert Bashford, head, age 38,plumber
Jane, wife, age 36
George, son, age 15, labourer
Annie, dau, age 10, scholar
Martha, dau, age 8, scholar
John, son, age 6, scholar
Emily, dau, age 4
Henry, son, age 5 months
RG12 813
folio 119 page 12
Brighton, Sussex
Hope this helps.
If you want to go back further I would be more than willing to help you.
Nicky
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Bingo ! 18 little russell street !! I have this family in my tree!
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if the family are linked to this family then they are a new branch of the tree !
ill keep you informed .
thanks again stacey
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ok here it goes !
From records i have plus what is posted here i can say albert bashford was married to ann reeves
they had the following children
albert born 1873/4 he was 8 @ the 1881 census but missing from the 1891 census .
william born 1879 not on the 1881 census 3 years later
george 7m @1881 census 15 in the 1891 census and 24 in the 1901 census !!!!???? i had his birthdate as 8 nov 1879....
i dont have any answers for this!!
mary ann bashford 10m @1881 and 10 @1891 but now known as annie .
martha jane 8@1891 census
john ..... aged 6 in 1891 but 18 in 1901 !!!???
i had him in my notes as being born dec 1884 .
emily aged 4 in 1891 aged 16 in 1901
frances born 1889 not on 1891 census .
henry 5m on 1891 not on 1901 census
alice 8@1901 census
percy 5 @1901 census
looks like a lot of research needed to get dates and ages correct .
and a marrage certificate for John to see if hes the John in 1st post .
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Hi, the Bashfords are in my Husbands family, his G/Gran was Elizabeth Bashford m. ? Collison. Thought u might be interested in this which i believe is a distant relative (poor woman):-
14.7.1831 11 Donkey Row (off Edward Street)
and 7 Margaret Street.
Celia Bashford,aged 35.
John Holloway was eighteen when he met Celia Bashford, a dwarfish servant with a malformed head. He said he was 'ashamed to be seen with her until after dark'. Nevertheless, he made her pregnant. The Town Overseers locked him up in Lewes jail for five weeks until he agreed to support Bashford and her anticipated child. The baby arrived still-born, though, and Holloway felt himself trapped in a futile marriage.
He spent four years away on Blockade Service, tracking smugglers. At this time he met and bigamously married Ann Kendell. They returned to Brighton and lived at 7 Margaret Street, while his other wife Celia lived with her sister in nearby Cavendish Street.
On the 24th July Holloway enticed Celia, with her belongings, from her sister's house on the pretence of beginning a new life in London. Despite his poor financial state, Holloway had rented a second house at 11 Donkey Row, and it was to that address that he took Celia.
In his own words, 'I asked her to sit down on the stairs and then in the pretence of kissing her I passed a line around her throat and strangled her'. His other wife Ann emerged from the shadows and helped him to hack off Celia's head and limbs. They dropped them in the outside toilet of their home at 7 Margaret Street, and placed the torso in a trunk which they buried in the woods near Lovers Walk.
It emerged that Celia was eight months pregnant, and at the autopsy the unborn baby was discovered inside the torso. This case came to be called the 'Brighton Trunk Murder' - the first of two, or three, depending on whether or not you count the trunk kept at the Brighton railway left-luggage office in 1934.
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:'(
I am a distant relative to Celia Bashford shes a ggg aunt i think i could look it up .
I have news paper reports from the London times if your intrested .
also did you know a copy of a paper reporting the murder was sold for over £2000 recently ?
I'm waiting also to hear from a local (to Brighton not me)youth film group who were makeing a film about her murder and others in Brighton .
if you look at my web page (is my sisters really) you will see the story you wrote
plus links to women of Brighton site which has the story also .
i have been researching this story since i discovered the link to my tree .
Intend to put up a website at some time with the full story .
Mrs Bishop who was the sister of Celia is Catherine Bashford who was living at no 4 Cavendish place Brighton at the time of the murder .
the name collison I'm sure Ive seen in my tree someplace .. it maybe on sisters website link press globe <<< .
if you have more information ill be pleased to hear it , like wise don't be afraid to ask if your looking for information .
Stacey
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Hi
My Elizabeth Bashford was born c.1873 m. George Edward Collison b. c1872 they had a son Jack born in Uckfield in 1902 died 1926 of TB in Cobham, Surrey as did his wife Caroline Leavens in 1928 when hubbys Mum Betty was 4 yrs old. but cant find any record of her at all, only their marriage certificate. But i shall carry on looking... :)
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"I'm waiting also to hear from a local (to Brighton not me)youth film group who were makeing a film about her murder and others in Brighton . "
Hi Stacey.
I would be interested to know if u get any more info re the film above. Thanx.
Regards Margaret.
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Hi again
i just sent an email to find out if the film ever got made .
the company was junk-tv.com and i contacted a paul dutnall .
i belive his e.mail addy is on the Junk-tv website .
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Thanx for that, I'll have a nosey too. :D
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I understand that they wish to have the film finnished by november .
Its working title is "trunk"
details are on the website .
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Thanx Stacey, Nice title dont u think :D
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::)
As there was 3 trunk murders In brighton 2 of them being famous cases (excuse the pun ). its a good title .
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Hello again Stacey
Have just sent an email to Junk TV as i cant access their site for some unknown reason, asking for some info on the film. Have u had any more info?
Cheers Marg.
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I think you may find the victim's official grave in the cemetary of St Peter's church in Preston Park.
The plaque on the western wall of the cemetery reads
"Here lies what remains of her"
Roy G
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Hi AGAIN
Rather than working from memory, I have now accessed a local website and searched out Celia Holloway. It gives the exact wording on the plaque as follows
"Beneath this path are deposited portions of the remains of CELIA HOLLOWAY who was brutally murdered in the Lovers Walk of this parish in the year of Christ 1831 aged 32 years.
Resting till that day when there shall be no sin."
The accompanying text also gives the full story of the murder and trial, but calls the church St Johns. That should be corrected for it is definitely St Peters of Preston Village, not St Johns or the St Peters in Brighton.
Roy G
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Thank you roy for your posts .
I Intend soon to visit Brighton and find places connected to the family .
I shall make it a point when i do to visit where the stone is .
stacey .
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Hi
Elizabeth Bashford b 1873 in East Sutton, Kent had four older brothers - Robert b 1871 East Sutton; Vesper Jonathon b 1869 in Wateringbury; Ernest b 1867 in Aylesford. A younger brother Jonathon Edmund was b 1878 at East Sutton.
Robert was my mother's father.
The childrens' parent were Jonathon Bashford b 1838 in Barming, Kent and Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) b 1837 at Aylesford, Kent. Jonathon was a gardener by trade as was his son Robert after him.
Robert Bashford settled in Gloucestershire.
A Gibb
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Hi thank you for your replies .
roy.g do you have the site address for the stone please?
A.Gibb do you know where abouts robert settled in gloucestershire? as i live in gloucestershire myself and would be Intrested .
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He was my grandfather - lived many years at 7 Park Terrace, Minchinhampton after marrying a local girl. Died in about 1952. Had five children - the only branch carrying the Bashford name now live in Australia.
A Gibb
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Hi
The stone is in the cemetery of St Peters in PRESTON village (Not the big ST Peters in Brighton) These days Preston Village is a nothern suburb of Brighton.
The church, which is usually closed these days, is on the eastern side of Preston Manor, where London Road meets Preston Drove.
Go straight through the cemetery to the back of the church and you will find the stone set into the western wall that backs onto the park.
The cemetery is quite small so you shouldn't miss it, but take some nuts to feed the squirrels.
There is a map on this website
http://en.qype.com/place/40357-St-Peter-s-Church--Preston-Park-Brighton
Roy G
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sorry for not replying sooner
I have recently moved again and i think that the filming company may of sent the dvd to my old address as i had not informed them i was moveing .
i may contact them again and see if the finished video is available still .
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thank you both for your replies i shall try hard to get over to brighton and visit the church and other sites with conections with celias murder and life .
If not I will ask family in Brighton if someone could send pictures of the locations .
I shall also look and post how im related to nowell royston rex Bashford . :) :)
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If you can't visit the church itself, go to the website that I have already given you (for the map) and you will find pictures of St Peters in Preston Park.
If you then want a picture of the stone, go to the website below.
http://www.womenofbrighton.co.uk/celiaholloway.htm
By the way, that site incorrectly says the church is St Johns.
Whilst website hopping, there are at least two other sites which you could also visit which contain versions of the story itself. They are,
http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/newgate5/holloway.htm
http://www.exclassics.com/newgate/ng610.htm
Roy G
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Thank you roy
I all ready have read both sites .
If you go to google books and google john holloway you can get a pdf version of his book from there And if you wish i can send copies of the newspaper reports from the London times of the trial and hanging of John Holloway.
Thru Genes Reunited i have also been in contact with someone who is related to him . I have been studying the case for some time as i am her gggrand nephew.