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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: sherlock1207 on Thursday 22 June 06 07:19 BST (UK)
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My family history includes the following paragraph:
"Lettice Huband (Sharman) was born at Edenham (Lincolnshire), and was baptised there on 24th May 1874. At the time of the 1891 census 17 year old Lettice was living in Eastbourne, Sussex with her half-sister Ada Smith. Both gave their occupation as draper’s assistant. On 31st January 1900 at Edenham Lettice married widower Thomas William Green, who was a 29 year old farmer from North Yorkshire. They went to live in Thomas’s home village of Hutton Magna, which lies just off the road from Scotch Corner to Bowes (now the A66). Thomas Green had married Betsy Shields in late-1896, and they had a daughter, Beatrice Maud. However, that marriage was short-lived as Betsy died on 25th September 1898 aged 32. She was buried at Stanwick – a hamlet about four miles east of Hutton Magna. Beatrice died on 3rd December 1906 aged 9. Soon after Thomas and Lettice married they had a daughter, Florence. Lettice’s half-sister Ada Smith was again living with her at the time of the 1901 census, but now as a domestic servant. On 15th July 1901 - about eighteen months after her marriage - Lettice died aged just 27. She, Betsy and Beatrice are commemorated on a shared stone in Hutton Magna churchyard."
Does anyone have anything to add to this please? What became of Florence Green? Did Thomas Green remarry?
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I don't have anything to add as such, just to mention I think Lettice's middle name was HUBBARD. Also, I wonder how she felt as "Lettice Green" (I believe there was also an Olive in the family.)
Putting the question the other way round - have you yourself been able to find out more about the further history of this Green family? I do know that, at least until recently, Greens were still living in the village.
My wife is descended from a Green of Hutton Magna.
Murphicle
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Thank you, Murphicle, for keeping this thread alive. I'd given up on receiving any further contact on this one although I did get a couple of letters after an appeal in the press last year. Lettice got her middle name from her mother, so we can be fairly certain about the spelling. My research has yielded little since my last posting. The relevant section in the embryonic second edition of my family history reads as follows:
"Lettice Huband (Sharman) was born at Edenham (Lincolnshire), and was baptised there on 24th May 1874. At the time of the 1891 census 17 year old Lettice was living in Eastbourne, Sussex with her half-sister Ada Smith. Both gave their occupation as draper’s assistant. On 31st January 1900 at Edenham Lettice married widower Thomas William Green, who was a 29 year old farmer from North Yorkshire (born 2nd February 1871 at Hutton Magna). They went to live in Thomas’s home village of Hutton Magna, which lies just off the road from Scotch Corner to Bowes (now the A66). Thomas Green had married Betsy Shields at Hutton Magna on 27th September 1896, and the following year they had a daughter, Beatrice Maud. However, that marriage was short-lived as Betsy died aged 32 on 25th September 1898 – just two days short of her second wedding anniversary. She was buried at Stanwick St John, which lies about four miles east of Hutton Magna. Beatrice died of diphtheria on 3rd December 1906 aged 9. Soon after Thomas and Lettice married they had a daughter, Florence. Known as “Florrie”, she was baptised at Hutton Magna on 3rd October 1900. Lettice’s half-sister Ada Smith was again living with her at the time of the 1901 census, but now as a domestic servant. On 15th July 1901 - about eighteen months after her marriage - Lettice died aged just 27. She, Betsy and Beatrice are commemorated on a shared stone in Hutton Magna churchyard. Florence survived but never married - she was a housekeeper at Westwick near Barnard Castle until she died.
Lettice Huband junior’s name was, like her mother’s, sometimes misspelt. The final indignity in this respect was that the stonemason spelt her middle name “Hubard” on her gravestone.
On Lettice’s death in 1901 Thomas William Green was left with two small children (although Beatrice would die in 1906). He might well have had help from his numerous relatives in the village and surrounding area, but it is perhaps understandable that he married for a third time. In 1909 he married Julia Smith, who was seven years his junior and bore him eight children. Julia died in 1947 aged 69, and Thomas William Green himself died in November 1951 aged 80."
I have had contact from a descendent of Thomas and Julia; but if anyone can add more to this section with particular reference to Lettice or Florence, I would be glad to receive the information. I don't have a target date for the production of this edition of my family history, but I'd like to put it to bed sometime within the next ten tears - ideally much sooner!
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Sherlock1207 - thanks for the reply, & for the additional information, which I'll incorporate into our on-going history.
Yes, I got the "Hubbard" from the gravestone - we had a good look at the (well-kept!) group of graves a couple of years back. What puzzled me when researching this part of the family was - what was Thomas doing in lincolnshire? Have you anything on that?
My guess is that the Greens who were certainly still living in a "Green" house in Hutton very recently would be Thomas' family.
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Good question - how did Thomas and Lettice meet? Her sister married a James Ake from Finghall near Bedale, and it's a mystery how they got together too. Maybe we'll never know.
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I'll have to think some more about that. 19th century equivalent of marriage bureaux? Farming mafia?
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Hi
As my username will tell you I am a Green descendant from the Hodgson Green line. I am just beginning to research my family history and came across your post. I am not sure which side of the family you are descended from/ researching as I have only just started, however my research indicated that all roads seem to lead back to Hutton Magna or the Richmond locality.
I would be willing to help with your research should it come to my line of the family or alternatively any help you may have would be gratefully received.
I look forward to hearing from you.
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I'm a Sharman and I'm researching offshoots of my own family line. You can find an edited version of my efforts online at http://homepages.tesco.net/~jksharman/sharmanfamhist1.htm . Sadly progress has been very slow of late!
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Thank you for the information. Im not sure where it fits in to the tangled web I find myself but I am sure it will. I am planning on visiting Hutton Magna soon myself so maybe it will become clearer then.
Thanks
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I'm pleased to see this topic revived. I have now got a pretty complete "tree" of "both sides" of the Green dynasty at Hutton Magna, although some of my additions post-1901 are a bit of a guess. One of the Hodgson Greens (1873) seems to "disappear" after about 1895, when he married Jessie Alexander. Have you any info on this? I gather you are descended from the Hodgson Greens. May I ask which line? I was in Hutton earler this year, and tried to find the "memorial garden" to Eric Green, but without success.
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Hi there
I take it you mean Hodgson Green of Startforth? I have him down for 1874 (sorry if this seems like splitting hairs!). I also had him married too Jessie Hutchinson (1895 in Teesdale) with two sons. I dont have firm evidence of this yet but when I do, I am happy to share.
I am descended from the William Green (1866 Brignall) line who was the older brother of the above Hodgson. If you need any further information on this line, please do not hesitate to get back in touch.
Ive not come across a Eric Green yet but I am pretty sure I havent unearthed the majority of the family around the late 1700s. Do you have any information on who preceeded Hodgson Green 1775 (Hutton Magna) or if he had any siblings?
Thanks
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Hi,
Yes, that's the H.G. I mean, but I have his wife as Jessie ALEXANDER. Yes, two sons. But in 1901 Jessie is working in a hotel in Croft, married, no sign of Hodgson. The boys are with Jessie's own family, also in Croft. After that - I find nothing. Did they emigrate, with Hodgson already absent in 1901, preparing the way?
William Green the policeman - I have him in Maryport. police sergeant. I have his wife's death, 1951 Maryport, but not his, William Green being too common a name! Have you got it?
Eric Green, unless I have got it badly wrong, was one of the last Greens to be still living in Hutton. Born 1942, died 1999, wife still lives at Hutton Farm. His gravestone is very clear in the churchyard.
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Hi there
Thank you for the useful information on H.G. I will do some digging myself and see what I can find.
As for William, he died on the 20th March 1932. He is buried in Salterburn Cemetery which is an area of Workington, Cumbria. If you need to know the descendents from William and his wife Ann Sharp Green (nee Fleming), then I can give you more information. Do you know they had two sons? - one of which is my grandad.
Do you have a Green family tree to view? It would be useful to confirm dates etc I have.
Thanks
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Hi,
Thanks for that new info - all helps to get a complete picture.
I have two sons to them: William Hodgson Green c 1894 Keswick, and George Fleming Green c 1896, St Johns Vale (what a lovely place to be brought up). I have no further details, though. Which one was your grandfather?
I have noticed that, co-incidentally, there was another dynasty of Hodgson Greens, in Cumberland, which I presume had nothing to do with yours.
As I said, I have an almost complete Green Tree on my F.T. It is viewable on Genes Reunited, but if you're not on that, and have a GEDCOM family tree "at home", I can send you the details (at least I think I can) via email, if you let me have your email address. I've got them back to about 1745.
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Ive sent you a private message ;D
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Our community group is carrying out a people's history of the villages of Hutton Magna, Ovington and Wycliffe. One of our volunteers is the widow of Eric Green and other Greens are involved.. We will be producing a booklet in the spring with our findings. You can find out more about this at our website howvillages.co.uk and perhaps add to some of our research. File attached is of volunteers at Eric Green Memorial Garden.
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Many thanks for this on behalf of my wife, Ann - descendant of Jane Green, born 1839, Hutton Magna. We will be following this closely. We did try to find the memorial garden last time we were in Hutton, not realising it was a project still in development.
Two recent findings by myself and a direct Green descendant. We know that the building of Winston Bridge, for Mr Robinson, was supervised by William Green, who was born in the Shotley area of Tynedale c. 1738, and that (we think) all the Greens of Hutton descend from him (and the Hodgson Greens were masons to the Constable family of Wycliffe Hall, notably Tommy Green, born 1802.).
But my "Green" contact tells me that there is a belief in the family that there is a connection with the important architect family, Greens of Newcastle (who originated around the same area). Can it be just a co-incidence that the suspension bridge at Whorlton - the next bridge on the Tees - built 50 years later, was built by John Green of that Newcastle family?
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Thank you for your prompt response. I will pass this onto the Green Family members and get back to you but there may be a delay due to holidays in October so do not think we have forgotten about you if that happens. In the meantime we hope to be updating the website so keep an eye open there also - howvillages.co.uk
Do you have any stories of your own family as we are doing a destination section in our booklet ie. where did people from the HOW villages end up and putting in a few examples of interesting ones? Also any photos - particularly old photos as we are short of those.
Looking forward to working with you on this research and anyone else who might be interested. Anne.
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I have never been able to spend more than a couple of hours in the village, but below I copy a note I have just sent to Richard Green (I will copy to website) re the topography of Hutton Magna. Am I right? [Of course, I cannot include here the map web address, but that will be no problem for you]
<<Not strictly concerning the Greens, especially as it concerns an era when they did not yet live at Hutton, I just found it interesting to compare the attached photo of Hutton from the air, with the map (link below). I had known from walking the track behind the church that there was evidence that the village had been partly "moved" (I would say almost certainly by the Robinsons (or their predecessors) of Hutton Hall), from very obvious field evidence (very clear on the photo). But I was not sure whether the field remains dated from, say, an outbreak of the plague, which might have decimated the village. But now I am sure that the Robinsons re-ordered the village (to improve their own view!), as you can see from the map that "Green Lane" takes a sudden eastward turn, then equally suddenly veers north, to the one-street village). The old Green Lane can beseen as a dotted-line track, leading to the Wycliffe road.
The church's position is interesting: I believe the old church was there too, so, presumably, in the middle ages, the church was to the east, rather than the west, of the village. From my cursory knowledge of the village, there are no houses earlier than, say, 1650, apart from Hutton Hall itself. So did the Robinsons do their bit of social engineering in the 17th century?>>
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I've just Googled "Lettice Huband" and came up with this discussion.
My 4X GGrandMother was also called Lettice Huband which was at the start of this thread. I can't believe that this is just a coincidence of such an unusual combination of names & wonder whether your relative was named after mine.
I don't have a birth date for her yet but she married Thomas Clayton on 28th May 1793 at All Saints, Evesham, Worcestershire. They moved to Berkshire by 1806, Thomas being a printer & bookseller. Lettice died in Reading 22 January 1832 & Thomas 25 March 1833.
They had 6 children including my 3X GGrandFather Charles James Clayton, another printer. He named one of his children Thomas Huband Clayton.
The IGI entry for the marriage is very vague so I hope to go to Worcester soon to see the original & hopefully get further back. The NT site for surnames shows that Huband, although quite rare, was most common in Worcestershire.
I found this out for the first time last night & had never heard of the name Huband before. This morning there is a letter in the Daily Telegraph written by a R J Huband of Ashton under Hill, Worcestershire. How weird is that?
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I'm afraid it IS just another co-incidence. I entered that name very early in my researches, but found there were errors in my sources, and (I'm afraid) did not get back on here to correct it. The lady in question was, in fact, born Lettice Hubard Sharman. The "Hubard" is often mis-spelt in the sources, as "Huband". In fact, even now, I am not sure which is correct. Her mother's name was (at marriage) Lettice Hueband Smith, just to confuse the issue. Clearly a family name, but people seemed unsure of the spelling. However, I don't think ours can be connected with yours, as our "Huband/Hubards" were born/married in Bourne, Lincs., and Lettice married Thomas William Green 1900 at Bourne, but died sadly within two years, at Hutton Magna, Teesdale.
Just to lighten things up a bit - Mrs Lettice Green had a sister-in-law (I think) called Mrs Olive Green.
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Yes, Lettice's mother was also Lettice Huband as this short extract from my "Sharman Family History" relates:
George and Sarah Sharman had four sons and three daughters – George, Charles Thomas, Henry, Sarah, Catherine, Richard and Mary Ann. The children’s mother Sarah (née Bellamy) died in the summer of 1866, and in the spring of 1871 George remarried.
George’s second wife was widow Lettice Smith (née Hensman). They married at Bourne parish church on 3rd April 1871, and in the register entry for their marriage Lettice is shown as a widow innkeeper.
As well as having an unusual first name, Lettice had the middle name of Huband (the spelling of which varies in censuses and transcriptions). Lettice was George’s junior by about thirteen years, having been born at Pinchbeck on 20th April 1836 and baptised there on 1st May 1836. Her parents were John Hensman, a tailor, and Mary (née Alcock). At the time of the 1851 census Lettice was housemaid to two ladies in London Road, Spalding. On 14th June 1859 Lettice Hensman married William Smith, a groom, at Whittlesey.
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To all members interested in the Greens at Hutton Magna and environs, our group researching the HOW villages ie. Hutton Magna, Ovington and Wycliffe have now completed their research and produced a booklet thanks to the Heritage Lottery Fund and the NOrthern Rock Foundation. There are several entries and photographs about the Green family. I am able to send, free of charge in the UK, a copy of this booklet to interested researchers. Please email me with your name and address to (*). Anne Noble, Project Co-ordinator.
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Whilst I understand why the moderator removed your e-mail address, I am glad to have got my request for a copy of this nicely produced little book in before he/she did so. I'm sure that I wouldn't have found you via the PM system - indeed, I didn't know what PM meant in a non-political context until just now! Anyhow, it's a nicely produced work and at least of interest (and hopefully of some use) to anyone whose research leads them to the HOW villages. Thank you, Anne and Tony.
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Hi Greens, Following the publication of our booklet on the HOW Triangle, you might be interested a question which has come in from a Jack Neasham which is posted on our project website at howvillages co uk. Not sure if any of you have any info on the Black Death at Hutton Magna around 1660 but check out the page on the website entitled "Can You Help?" Regards, Anne and Tony.
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Hello,
Has the HOWvillages website been removed? Also do anyone have a copy of the booklet that was produced that they would be willing to share?
Regards,
Richard